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**Klashikari** · 2013-06-23, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Haru, being the main heroine and best girl doesn't have a bad end because even fate won't let you screw up with her.

Actually, one may argue that every other heroine good and bad ending are essentially bad end for her.

ArchmageXin · 2013-06-23, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Klashikari

Actually, one may argue that every other heroine good and bad ending are essentially bad end for her.

Why is that? She moved on with her life, which is hardly an bad ending. Compared to the other three. When I watched the true ending with the 3 girls meeting you in prison, it always implied in another life, you should had stuck around for them 3 rather than Haru.

**Klashikari** · 2013-06-23, 22:33

I can't exactly say she "moved on with her life" considering anything Maou related is absolutely not solved outside of her route.

Archon_Wing · 2013-06-23, 22:37

It's quite true. She would be forever taunted with the demon for the rest of her life.

Kyousuke had to take the fall for her, because she alone could not overcome Maou in his games or even on the psychological level. Neither of them could individually. Even if Maou should fall, he would take down at least one of them.

But for all the cynicism and practicality this story has, that ending would be one of the most heartwrenching and heaertwarming ever.

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2013-06-23, 23:08

Wtb G Senjou or Sharin no Kuni VN anime adaptation. Probably will never happen. Or someone like DEEN will do it in which case it's better if it's not made in the first place.

Seriously, the last top tier VN anime adaptation I watched was ef tale of memories. Possibly Clannad AS if it wasn't for the shitty ending. But since then, absolutely nothing. Even something like Mashi-iro and KoiChoco were decent at best.

larethian · 2013-06-24, 00:15

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Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

Wtb G Senjou or Sharin no Kuni VN anime adaptation. Probably will never happen. Or someone like DEEN will do it in which case it's better if it's not made in the first place.

Seriously, the last top tier VN anime adaptation I watched was ef tale of memories. Possibly Clannad AS if it wasn't for the shitty ending. But since then, absolutely nothing. Even something like Mashi-iro and KoiChoco were decent at best.

While G-Sen can have Fuku-Jun for both protag and Maou voices, how would one animate Sharin? Having a First-Person View? That would be a pretty weird anime

ArchmageXin · 2013-06-24, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Klashikari

I can't exactly say she "moved on with her life" considering anything Maou related is absolutely not solved outside of her route.

Who knows, maybe she and Maou forgive each other and got married

But sillyness aside, it appear she didn't end up dead (At least in Tubaski's ending), and has a life of her own, so it works.

**Klashikari** · 2013-06-24, 10:58

Then, every other heroine bad ends "work" as well by your definition, since they still have their "life of their own".
I can't consider something "works" when the said character is actually stuck with their predicament ad eternam. Dying isn't exactly a requirement for a bad end, and sometimes it is actually better than what some VN character might endure in some scenarios.

ArchmageXin · 2013-06-24, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Klashikari

Then, every other heroine bad ends "work" as well by your definition, since they still have their "life of their own".
I can't consider something "works" when the said character is actually stuck with their predicament ad eternam. Dying isn't exactly a requirement for a bad end, and sometimes it is actually better than what some VN character might endure in some scenarios.

I just find it interesting at the end, where the three girls meet Azai, and he comment to himself in another life he would had done a better job to take care of them, and non of this would happened (remember, in order to get Haru's ending he would have to abandon the first three girls like a heartless bastard when they need him the most)

I personally find it the most awful part of the story =/, I personally think it would be better if the story branch three ways then Haru, rather than T->K->S->H order.

**Klashikari** · 2013-06-24, 11:31

Actually, the side heroines issues emerge if you reach their routes. If you remain on the main route, most of their predicament wouldn't occur (save some points, such like Mizuha/Yuki and Kanon and her mother to a certain extent).
Bear in mind that a lot of what's going on with the side heroines do -not- occur if you remain on the main route anyway.

And this type of storytelling is actually the most logical due to the setup with Maou. A branching right from the get go with Haru at the end of it regardless of the former would be pretty bad, due to how poorly the side heroine would be implemented for Haru's route. In fact, no matter how you look at it, it would be shoehorned.

Tong · 2013-06-25, 13:26

Which is why I think it needs an extra route or re-telling in a new version or something.
Pretty much every VN has its shares of plotholes, like Ever17.

ArchmageXin · 2013-06-25, 22:29

I just finished Kanon't route....

Spoiler for Spoiler on Kanon ending:

MCAL · 2015-07-04, 21:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qB...ature=youtu.be

So apparently Sekai Project is releasing G-Senjou no Maou.

Sharin no Kuni when?

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2015-07-04, 21:39

Sekai project <3

First narcissu and now g senjou. F yea.
And yes sharin no kuni when.

MCAL · 2015-07-04, 21:46

From what I'm reading Sharin no Kuni has a pretty good chance and then maybe other Akabei Soft titles. Have wanted to play a few of them....

GreyZone · 2015-07-07, 03:49

I wonder how they are going to handle the "censoring" of H-scenes. We may get a certain plot hole...

MCAL · 2015-07-07, 16:03

Well removing the sex scenes does not necessarily mean removing the sex. Not everybody is Moenovel. Or technically, Not everybody has to be Moenovel.

I'm perfectly fine with giving Sekai Project the benefit of the doubt until they release the game. Way to early to start vilifying them as I have already seen elsewhere. (Not that you're doing that GreyZone)

At least Sharin no Kuni already has a All-Ages version, so no worry there.

Jaden · 2015-07-13, 19:35

I liked Sharin a lot more than this, but I think that's just because I read it first. The characters are really similar in both VNs, so I got a little tired of them when reading Maou.

WMeteo · 2015-07-30, 03:27

Just finished this. Easily one of my top 3-4 VNs. I think it was in every way better than Sharin no Kuni. I completely lost it when

Spoiler for true ending:

One thing that didn't make sense for me though

Spoiler for discussion:

Von Himmel · 2015-07-30, 05:44

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Originally Posted by WMeteo

Just finished this. Easily one of my top 3-4 VNs. I think it was in every way better than Sharin no Kuni. I completely lost it when

Spoiler for true ending:

One thing that didn't make sense for me though

Spoiler for discussion:

I heard the author said that Haru's route take place in different universe where the plot twist is..well, like that. Dunno if it's legit source or not but it's really easier to think of the whole game like that

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Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	I can't exactly say she "moved on with her life" considering anything Maou related is absolutely not solved outside of her route. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

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Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	Then, every other heroine bad ends "work" as well by your definition, since they still have their "life of their own". I can't consider something "works" when the said character is actually stuck with their predicament ad eternam. Dying isn't exactly a requirement for a bad end, and sometimes it is actually better than what some VN character might endure in some scenarios. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2013-06-24, 11:31	Link #270
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	Actually, the side heroines issues emerge if you reach their routes. If you remain on the main route, most of their predicament wouldn't occur (save some points, such like Mizuha/Yuki and Kanon and her mother to a certain extent). Bear in mind that a lot of what's going on with the side heroines do -not- occur if you remain on the main route anyway. And this type of storytelling is actually the most logical due to the setup with Maou. A branching right from the get go with Haru at the end of it regardless of the former would be pretty bad, due to how poorly the side heroine would be implemented for Haru's route. In fact, no matter how you look at it, it would be shoehorned. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

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Tong Many RPGs, Little Time Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BR Age: 32	Which is why I think it needs an extra route or re-telling in a new version or something. Pretty much every VN has its shares of plotholes, like Ever17. __________________

2013-06-25, 22:29	Link #272
ArchmageXin Master of Coin Join Date: Mar 2008	I just finished Kanon't route.... Spoiler for Spoiler on Kanon ending: I kind of feel it is a bit....less well done than Tubakis'. The first girl's was a lot more comforting, and this one just appear to be "just started" No real sense of resolution. Just a "Lets have sex then call it a day" is something coming out of a old school dating sim. __________________

2013-06-23, 23:08	Link #265
~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	Wtb G Senjou or Sharin no Kuni VN anime adaptation. Probably will never happen. Or someone like DEEN will do it in which case it's better if it's not made in the first place. Seriously, the last top tier VN anime adaptation I watched was ef tale of memories. Possibly Clannad AS if it wasn't for the shitty ending. But since then, absolutely nothing. Even something like Mashi-iro and KoiChoco were decent at best.

2015-07-04, 21:32	Link #273
MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2qB...ature=youtu.be So apparently Sekai Project is releasing G-Senjou no Maou. Sharin no Kuni when?

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~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	Sekai project <3 First narcissu and now g senjou. F yea. And yes sharin no kuni when.

2015-07-04, 21:46	Link #275
MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	From what I'm reading Sharin no Kuni has a pretty good chance and then maybe other Akabei Soft titles. Have wanted to play a few of them....

2015-07-07, 03:49	Link #276
GreyZone "Senior" "Member" Join Date: Jan 2012	I wonder how they are going to handle the "censoring" of H-scenes. We may get a certain plot hole... __________________

2015-07-07, 16:03	Link #277
MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	Well removing the sex scenes does not necessarily mean removing the sex. Not everybody is Moenovel. Or technically, Not everybody has to be Moenovel. I'm perfectly fine with giving Sekai Project the benefit of the doubt until they release the game. Way to early to start vilifying them as I have already seen elsewhere. (Not that you're doing that GreyZone) At least Sharin no Kuni already has a All-Ages version, so no worry there. Last edited by MCAL; 2015-07-07 at 16:16.

2015-07-13, 19:35	Link #278
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	I liked Sharin a lot more than this, but I think that's just because I read it first. The characters are really similar in both VNs, so I got a little tired of them when reading Maou. __________________

2015-07-30, 03:27	Link #279
WMeteo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2015	Just finished this. Easily one of my top 3-4 VNs. I think it was in every way better than Sharin no Kuni. I completely lost it when Spoiler for true ending: "I'm seven, daddy." One thing that didn't make sense for me though Spoiler for discussion: Why did maou's activities stop during the other endings? It doesn't make any sense. Given his drive, I doubt he would stop his revenge just because his brother fell in love...