(L+CR) Darling in the Franxx

[Gan_HOPE326]

My point is I don't think the show is directed at that at all. Frankly I don't get the feeling an anime would go out of its way to specifically criticise that sort of politics usually. And again, there's a big difference from anime being often not politically correct the way it's meant in the west, or just containing some cultural notions that are pretty common in Japan, and anime outright aiming at bashing LGBT people or even political correctness itself. I just don't think this is what FranXX is doing at all. It would seem like a very weirdly specific bone to pick for such a mainstream show.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

such a mainstream show.

Just a correction here but this isn't mainstream. It's a late night otaku show.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Ligerleon89

My question is, will this cliché of having sexual intercourse and the female being pregnant as a result will have a wrench thrown in to prevent said cliché from following through, or will continue it's course claiming a life?

It's not a cliché when there's not a lot of mecha anime that follow sex with actual pregnancy of the protags mid-show. Gundam franchise is one of those rare mecha series that have no problem depicting such thing (when necessary) but not a lot of (mecha) anime follow it aside from maybe Eureka 7 or parts of Code Geass. It's really not a cliché especially in the current anime climate where wish-fullfillment-anime reign supreme and characters must always look pretty and sexy for the otakus. Gundam shows have no such problems since their target audience are not otakus but general audience. Also, many writers just don't know what to do with a pregnant protag mid-story to the point where they'd rather not have it. Take Dragon Ball for example, that skipped the time where Bulma was pregnant and just jumped directly to a period after she already gave birth to baby Trunks. Because it's more convenient that way.

Also, sexual intercourse followed by pregnancy is a natural thing that frequently happen in life with the right time and method (especially when the couple doing it are aiming for pregnancy in the first place). So, it's kinda weird to call it a cliche. It's like saying (normal) humans who die after getting blown up is a cliche which to that I say "Well, what do you expect? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". Of course there are exceptions but things usually work that way in real life too.

[Ligerleon89]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

It's not a cliché when there's not a lot of mecha anime that follow sex with actual pregnancy of the protags mid-show. Gundam franchise is one of those rare mecha series that have no problem depicting such thing (when necessary) but not a lot of (mecha) anime follow it aside from maybe Eureka 7 or parts of Code Geass. It's really not a cliché especially in the current anime climate where wish-fullfillment-anime reign supreme and characters must always look pretty and sexy for the otakus. Gundam shows have no such problems since their target audience are not otakus but general audience. Also, many writers just don't know what to do with a pregnant protag mid-story to the point where they'd rather not have it. Take Dragon Ball for example, that skipped the time where Bulma was pregnant and just jumped directly to a period after she already gave birth to baby Trunks. Because it's more convenient that way.

Also, sexual intercourse followed by pregnancy is a natural thing that frequently happen in life with the right time and method (especially when the couple doing it are aiming for pregnancy in the first place). So, it's kinda weird to call it a cliche. It's like saying (normal) humans who die after getting blown up is a cliche which to that I say "Well, what do you expect? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". Of course there are exceptions but things usually work that way in real life too.

It's just that I find these people talking about it, even Code Geass some years ago. Some people are persistent about it, even though it didn't make sense to me at the time. Still, I'd figured I just throw that nonsensical question out there just to get it off my chest and my brain. I already picked up EP 18 for the next title, Something about "A Sakura Blooming". I was still half-asleep when I read a bit of that information on myanimelist, which is always subject to change and some people can be inaccurate with their claims of info.

Although I would think I'd still know better after watching some anime which has this kind of thing. Oh well, you live and you learn.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Thematically-wise, it would be more interesting if she couldn't but she and Hiro still ended up together and happy at the end, showing that making babies is not the end-all-be-all of romantic love and human relationships.



Culture and politics go hand in hand. Two sides of the same coin.



You can't separate the show from its meta context though. That sort of "being human is all about making babies" message is pretty in-line with Japan's cultural context. Heck, is even in line with their political context. What with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's views on Japan birth decline and whatnot.

You sure it's as explicitly socio-political as that? The way it felt to me was more of a general "be what you naturally are, live freely" as opposed to a lobotomized, vat-grown droid (APE style). I mean when you have the antagonist side be essentially that, then obviously someone on the protag side has to go the other extreme in these kind of shows right? So the whole reproduction and gender angle should be seen in that context IMO

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

You sure it's as explicitly socio-political as that? The way it felt to me was more of a general "be what you naturally are, live freely" as opposed to a lobotomized, vat-grown droid (APE style). I mean when you have the antagonist side be essentially that, then obviously someone on the protag side has to go the other extreme in these kind of shows right? So the whole reproduction and gender angle should be seen in that context IMO

Yeah, I think that's it too. Though the whole "people not making children/vegetarian men" thing in Japan is probably predominant enough in public discourse that it's hard to imagine one would make a story so focused on procreation without being somewhat influenced by it. But yeah, I think it doesn't have any serious pretences at any such argument, it's just being Generic Sci-Fi Dystopia 101.

[Kismet-chan]

So, the PV for Epi 18 is up...

Spoiler for PV reaction:

...Aaaand it'll have the scene with Hiro and Zero Two walking happily amongst the cherry blossoms from the first episode.

A lot of people are screaming that this means we won't be getting a happy ending. This combined with all the death flags getting tossed around makes me wonder if the staff could intentionally be pulling our leg. I don't overly care how it ends either way, just as long as the execution is good.

Not sure how I feel about the Mitsukoro mock wedding -or- Ikuno jumping Ichigo, tbh. But I'll wait and see what they do with it all.

[PhoenixRising]

Episode 18 Preview Reaction

Spoiler:

I'm so gonna love the Mitsuru/Kokoro wedding part, but I'm not so sure about the horrible foreshadowing, I feel in my gut.
Ikuno being so forceful was not what I was expecting at all. That was a pleasant surprise.

[kampfer91]

I say episode 19 gonna have some sort of tragedy , just a hunch .

[dniv]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

I say episode 19 gonna have some sort of tragedy , just a hunch .

I think it'll start by the latter half of the next ep. The new ending looks too depressing for it to not be full of that. They've been too happy recently. One more episode of just happy things is going to freak me out too much.

I just binged eps 3 to 17 like 2 days ago. This quickly has become potentially one of my favorite shows with a surprising amount of depth. I'm really enjoying it.

[tsunade666]

With how things are developing, I won't be surprised if it ended up as another ibo gundam.

[RDNexus]

And here I abandoned Gundam:IBO after cour1, as I've come to know how it went.
I just hope Franxx doesn't become another IBO, I'm not good with such stories

[kampfer91]

Mitsuru ded flag is going up .

With the Nine report to the APE , i can see APE soldiers bust into the place soon .

[Mistyclear]

Spoiler for 18:

And straight to a wedding, Mitsuru and Kokoro move fast.

[HtwoN]

Are these real flags? Or are they trolling us?

[orion]

Originally Posted by Kismet-chan

So, the PV for Epi 18 is up...

Spoiler for PV reaction:

...Aaaand it'll have the scene with Hiro and Zero Two walking happily amongst the cherry blossoms from the first episode.

A lot of people are screaming that this means we won't be getting a happy ending. This combined with all the death flags getting tossed around makes me wonder if the staff could intentionally be pulling our leg. I don't overly care how it ends either way, just as long as the execution is good.

Not sure how I feel about the Mitsukoro mock wedding -or- Ikuno jumping Ichigo, tbh. But I'll wait and see what they do with it all.

Well...

Spoiler:

That section with 02 and Hiro walking is similar to episode 1's scene. So if she smiles and twirls the couple is not going to have a happy ending as the 02 that was looking back had a ID tag on her foot and she was in the Garden.

[blakstealth]

here's the ep18 preview: subtitles provided

Spoiler:

https://www.facebook.com/darli.fra/v...7939166735364/

[Idealist 99]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Mitsuru ded flag is going up .

With the Nine report to the APE , i can see APE soldiers bust into the place soon .

Spoiler for spoiler:

Currently I am feeling that Mitsuru's death might not come from klaxosaurs but from Futoshi.
I mean, can you really give up on your first love that easily ? Worst part is that Futoshi is one performing the wedding. If I was in his place then it would have feel like a million knife stabbing my heart. What if suddenly Futoshi reveal a knife and stab Mitsuru middle of the wedding ?

However in positive side, Ikano probably getting her heart broken! We might probably see Futoshi and Ikano finally bonding over their broken heart since they are partners that haven't interacted that much.
Maybe we got the death flag wrong! Maybe this whole time the anime was flagging Futoshi and Ikano death flag since they pilot the same Franxx.

[Nymene]

The protagonist in DarliFra is loyal to only one girl, and there are multiple couples in this story, and the cast of characters in protag's group of comrades are gender-balanced, with 5 boys and 5 girls in his group.

The setting pf Franxx reminds us of Magi's Grandson, right ? Just like we have 3 main couples in DarliFra's group ( Don't forget Miku x Zorome ), there's also like 3 main couples in Magi's Grandson's good side group of MC's comrades.

But that one has more girls with bigger boobs.

Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei also has quite a lot of boy-girl side couples. Will there be more new light novels like those 2 in the future where there will appear other side couples other than the Protagonist couple ?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

With how things are developing, I won't be surprised if it ended up as another ibo gundam.

Originally Posted by xrick

And here I abandoned Gundam:IBO after cour1, as I've come to know how it went.
I just hope Franxx doesn't become another IBO, I'm not good with such stories

Gundam IBO is rather heavy. And I doubt Franxx has the balls to go the route that IBO has dared to go through (it's a mafia/gangster story, after all) since Franxx has been rather tame so far. I guess we'll just see what's gonna happen next. I'm not really up for speculation. I'll just sit back and enjoy this (guilty pleasure) show.