2013-03-04, 14:25 | Link #12581 | |
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Not in this world does shit work like that. Forums are like this are evidence enough, you won't be able to convince a scientist whose entire life has led him to one understanding that it's wrong based on feelings, same with, religious people, same with ideologies same with freaking ANYTHING. The mere fact I'm even having an arguement with you on this is a testament to this fact. It's moronic to the highest degree. Humans are stubborn creatures, it's because of this wars are waged, lives are lost and people are capable of doing such terrifying attrocities to each other. It's simply how the world works. It's silly even by manga logic, and laughable when compared to the real world. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2013-03-04 at 14:45. |
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2013-03-04, 14:50 | Link #12582 | |
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If the entire time Ajimu was hoping that Medaka would overcome her schemes and win, don't you think that Medaka was Ajimu's hope in the first place? If so, then why do you believe Ajimu should have refused Medaka then, when what Medaka was saying was essentially what Ajimu was hoping for from the start? |
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2013-03-04, 14:53 | Link #12583 | |
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So I'll just ask, what kind of a manga are you looking for? How I read it, the current Medaka Box is, at its core, a manga exploring the themes of genius and distinction; and how, while normal people put geniuses on a pedestal, respecting them, envying them, maybe even adoring them, they also unintentionally isolate them with such an attitude. Of course, it works both ways. Because of their exceptional ability, because they're "different ", the geniuses in question also have problems understanding "the common man." To sum it up, I read Medaka Box as a story about Medaka's struggles to overcome that barrier and simply connect to the people around her. This is complemented by a crazy cast of characters, zany fourth wall breaking, insane battles and merciless trolling of common shonen tropes. But when all is said and done, no matter how utterly awesome I find Kumagawa and Ajimu and wish they had more screen time, they, along with the rest of the side characters (well, except for Zen, since bland spice is kind of an oxymoron; he's err... gravy, yea ) are only the spices that give this story flavor. They have a vital part to be sure, but Medaka is firmly the "main ingredient", so to speak. She's the one holding it all together. Her journey to connect to everyday people is what drives her. There's no grandiose goal, no world to save. It's basically a slice of life story, on acid. No matter how outrageous her opponents are, no matter how crazy the developments, Nisio can just handwave it away as "just the everyday life of a genius." Because Medaka's just that out there. And it's precisely because she's so that the wall she has to climb (connecting with "regular" people) is so high. That's her driving conflict. And, for me, it works. Usually, "geniuses" in shonen manga are either the rival or the enemy, cardboard figures designed mainly for the protagonist to defeat or surpass, while shouting that "Hard work always defeats genius!!! :" or something equally hackneyed. That or they'll be the "magical girlfriend" for the protagonist to chase after and make fall for him, after which their life will revolve around him. In a word, in shonen manga, geniuses mostly only have worth as a notch under the protagonist's belt. Which is why I find Medaka Box, with its attempt to step into the heads of one of those so called geniuses and say "Hey, geniuses are people too, with their own sets of problems, you know?" while maintaining a shonen atmosphere to be interesting. This is also why I find Medaka to be a new and fascinating type of shonen main character. As a side note, the way I see it, without Medaka, and the absolute freedom that her OPedness gives Niso, there most probably wouldn't be a Kumagawa or an Ajimu. So, as fans of those particular two, I have nothing to complain about. But obviously, with the way you keep clamoring for a main character change, you do not like this story. So I gotta ask, why are you reading Medaka Box? What type of story are you looking for, with Zenkichi as the main character? And aren't there already an ocean of them out there, with Zenkichi being as generic, or "classic" if you'd prefer (nice, passionate, kinda goofy "ordinary" guy who works hard; the basic shonen jump template), as it gets? Only thing that sets him apart from others is that unlike them, the plot does not go out of its way to make him succeed. I'm honestly curious here. |
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2013-03-04, 14:58 | Link #12584 | ||
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Honestly I'm simply pointing out reasons that are the common sentiment of most western readers I've come acros. Is it really all that surprising? Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2013-03-04 at 15:11. |
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2013-03-04, 15:20 | Link #12585 | |
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2013-03-04, 15:35 | Link #12586 | |
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It's totally not like Medaka converted her in typical Shounen fashion in the chapter it occurred that's totally not what happened at all. As far as conversion shit goes in shounens the author couldn't have made it more blatant. She even made a joke about her name and being relieved because totally believed all the shit Medaka just said. |
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2013-03-04, 16:07 | Link #12587 | |
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Really I cannot understand this, getting angry over an assumption which you have never confirmed. |
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2013-03-04, 17:11 | Link #12588 | |
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It's bad enough that Aijimu couldn't even put a cognitive arguement against Medaka in spite of her personality and the fact she had been researching and trying to disprove this shit for thousands of years. You expect me to believe that someone of Aijimu's personality, believed something to the point where she'd kill herself over that belief (despite not wanting to) could not construct and arguement that even defended that belief. Even if what someone says is completely wrong if they actually believe in it they can actually put up an arguement in there defence she couldn't even do that. The entire chapter was facepalm worthy. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2013-03-04 at 17:26. |
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2013-03-04, 18:56 | Link #12590 | |
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The only thing which Medaka proposed to Anshin'in and Anshin'in accepted was that Medaka would make killing herself 'impossible' for her. Anything else said about 'Medaka Box not really being a manga' is completely irrelevant, because it was impossible for Medaka to know what Ajimu perceived anyway. However, we as readers know that Ajimu can do direct things like having knowledge of the presence of colour pages, the current number of volumes in the series, or even directly speaking to the audience ("I'll end the manga before the anime begins," etc.) so the Medaka Box universe being a manga is simply basic fact for Ajimu, not a "belief" which can be changed or challenged. There is honestly zero indication at all in the story that Ajimu no longer sees her world as a manga anymore. She still does, it's not even possible for her to do otherwise. |
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2013-03-04, 22:26 | Link #12592 | |
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All I got from the scene of her "defeat" was that she finally found her impossibility. Does not matter if Medaka lost, she was still the main character. The manga was not ending. Ajimu could not end it. And she did not really want to die in the first place, as evidenced by her searching so desperately for a reason to live. All Medaka did was give her a little nudge, I don't see what the big deal is. Hey, even if she's just a character in a manga, at least, according to Medaka, it's an EPIC manga right? Can't be all that bad. |
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2013-03-05, 03:36 | Link #12593 | |
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Though I will say the the nothing is impossible for her as the sole reason why she wanted to kill herself is a rather silly arguement. Things were impossible for Aijimu she still personally cannot defeat main characters (because she believed the world is manga as an answer to this) We're talking about Medaka here who was converting her one of the few people where almost nothing in the world is impossible for her. Aijimu couldn't even use this fact in an arguement against her. This is going to randomly elogated and I can't be bothered pointing out all the the many issues of that scene while you can't accept that the scene had many issues because it did, and the very very, least it was rushed as shit, and at the worst was absolute bullshit, though this arguement will end longer the arguement that you would have at least expected to occur in that chapter. So i'm not going to bother rguing back anymore. I'm sorry if it's so very easy to point out flaws with that chapter but it was a very flawed chapter... |
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2013-03-05, 08:31 | Link #12596 |
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^^I disliked that chapter too. but I can point out a few holes in your argument by saying that its very likely no one had the guts to actually say it to ajimu nor was anyone probably able to know ajimu's beliefs. kumagawa may have gotten a hint if he got stuck with her a bit more, zenkichi too if he wasnt too focused on defeating medaka.
its weak but works yeah... |
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