2010-02-09, 08:51 | Link #341 |
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But of course it doesn't matter, since Kyon trusts her most of all. And of course, Kyon is the gatekeeper to God or whatever you call Haruhi, and that makes her the most powerful member of the DITE.
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2010-02-10, 00:53 | Link #342 | |
Hare Hare Sera Fuku!
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Spoiler for Later stuff:
To me, Kyon's protection of Yuki doesn't really mean a thing when it comes to the DITE. For goodness sake, they can reconstruct things out of pure data and create false evidences, who's to say they can't take Kyon's protection of Yuki out of the picture? |
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2010-02-10, 09:52 | Link #346 | |
Hare Hare Sera Fuku!
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Spoiler for Aliens fight:
If Koizumi says it, then it's probably true. He's a smart chap, that one. Then again, how many schools of thought ARE there in the DITE!? |
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2010-02-10, 10:04 | Link #347 | |
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2010-02-10, 11:59 | Link #350 |
Is this dangerous??
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She also said that the restriction is placed by her own will, i.e she limiting herself, right? by her own will also mean that she at least has some kind of emotion or guilty feeling for the incident and wanted to act by her own will , not predetermined.
btw edkedk, what line do you mean? some part of Yuki, Muon Madobe Nite or the whole song? Just curios. btw again, sorry for asking here, but does anyone by chance know the translation of greed's accident? Just asking...
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2010-02-10, 12:33 | Link #351 | ||
Hare Hare Sera Fuku!
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Spoiler for Yuki, Muon, Madobe Nite:
The last line especially caught my attention. Imagine what would happen if she caves in and goes Disappearance one more time, this time permanently... That's right, all the rubbish about DITE lording over her will end. |
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2010-02-10, 12:45 | Link #352 | |
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If Emiri was around before the Disappearance incident, I have to suspect that all the schools have representatives on site. Why Emiri of them has the keys I don't know, she could well have been just another backup for Yuki. Maybe the DITE picked whomever of the available interfaces was the most psychologically stable? |
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2010-02-10, 13:15 | Link #353 | |
Is this dangerous??
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2010-02-10, 14:48 | Link #354 | |
Sav'aaq!
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Spoiler for Volumes 7 and 4 and Snow Mountain Syndrome:
She doesn't want to hurt Kyon again, but she hasn't given up on him yet. She's amazingly complex for what is on paper an emotionless doll. No wonder she's Tanigawa-sensei's favorite character...
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2010-02-10, 15:45 | Link #355 | |
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Spoiler for nothing excactly:
also that the pSM!Yuki denied the request for syncronise by pD!Yuki most probably due that she already experienced that in her past. in other word,PARADOX Just like kyon when Spoiler for idk:
maybe because of the denial that pD!Yuki decided that she will put restriction unto herself and consequencely later she didnt want to synchronize when she travel back due to her own will .
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2010-02-15, 10:19 | Link #356 |
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I've been thinking about how similar the Disappearance!Yuki and our normal Mikuru are (especially at the beginning of the series). Yuki does say in Intrigues when Kyon calls her to let her know about Mikuru's absence that she understands how Mikuru could think she wants to be like her, but that she's never thought about it. While it may not be consciously, I do think that the two characters share a lot of characteristics. Both tend to be shy and have one companion they trust. They are portrayed as "weaker" characters in Kyon's narrative especially against someone like Haruhi or Kyon (when he grabs her in the clubroom). I do believe that Yuki is more shy than Mikuru, especially around Kyon, as seen by refusing to look at him when he stares at her compared to Mikuru who's worried about something's wrong with her. I'm still ironing out some details about this, but I thought it would be interesting to hear some other perspectives on it. I may be barking up the wrong tree, but I'd like to read some replies.
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2010-02-15, 13:50 | Link #357 | |
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The subconscious part is very important here. In wanting to please Kyon, she also wants to make herself more human too. That is why I believe she resurrected Ryoko, to try and defend her created world as well as making herself seem even more vulnerable, requiring the aid of someone else to survive. So while she said she doesn't want to be like Mikuru, her subconscious mind of wanting to keep Kyon in alt!Universe prompted her to remake herself in alt!Yuki; timid, shy, cute, strong interests in their craft (books for Yuki, tea for Mikuru), and most importantly, weakness so that the man in Kyon will want to protect her. (Interlude: I do not think Kyon is a man, however ) So yeah, I do think you have a valid point there. Yuki has to make sure the world was appealing enough for Kyon to want to stay, so she accounted for every single detail, except for one. Remember, Kyon hesitated a lot in pressing the 'ENTER' button. But in the end, the one thing that led Kyon to want to return to the 'original' world, which is also the thing Yuki missed out, is that Kyon has grown to care for each and everyone of the SOS Brigade. That love and care cannot be replicated. Good job, Koizu- I mean, ultimatemegax. |
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2010-02-15, 14:10 | Link #358 | |
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After it was mentioned in another thread why someone thought Yuki resurrected Ryoko and why she didn't stop Ryoko from attacking. She mentions in the novels (I'll edit in the specific volume and chapter when I have free access to look) that she had to let things happen the way they did otherwise unforeseen effects could have happened. I don't think Yuki revived Ryoko because of some plot to save Kyon from being attacked again. Yuki tapped into Haruhi's new world power and altered the world from 365 days before December 18th. During that time, Ryoko was still alive and could have been in active mode thereby causing problems if she suddenly disappeared during the middle of the month for no apparent reason. In addition, Ryoko was always Yuki's backup, which I believe to be helping her in her goals, no matter what. That would explain the cooking and the protection when Kyon begins to shoot her. The only plothole that I can find in Disappearance deals with some dialogue. It's mentioned by Kunikida or Taniguchi that Kyounen has always been a co-ed school, but Yuki's power only extended back one year. I think it was just a miswrite or mistranslation, but it's something that's bothered me. In less than 48 hours, I'll have my final post on Yuki up on Cartoon Leap, which has my full thoughts on the Disappearance world since it's made by Yuki. Thank you for your reply, it's helped me clarify a few of my thoughts.
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2010-02-15, 14:32 | Link #359 | |
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This isn't a plothole... that's the thing: Haruhi's powers have little no to internal consistency, since they break all laws of physics. |
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2010-02-15, 17:19 | Link #360 | |||||
Sav'aaq!
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I beg to differ. As much as Kyon may bitch and moan and try to get out of dealing with things, when it gets down to it, he's usually right there at the end resolving the issue at hand. Whether it's killing Haruhi's latest collateral damage-creating buzz, or figuring out what to get Yuki or Itsuki to do to solve the problem (since they rarely act on their own unless it's to stage a problem), or running out into the street to save a little kid and by extension the existence of Mikuru, or changing/ensuring history, or taking a knife in the gut, he's earned his keep. No doubt. The fact that he has flaws only makes him a more interesting character. Quote:
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And she couldn't stop Ryoko any more than Mikuru(small) would have been able to. Tell me that watching that wasn't the icing on her horror cake... I don't remember that line about Koyouen. I remember a line about the school, but can't remember if they were saying it became co-ed recently or had always been, but there's no reason that memory changes couldn't be part of the Yukification of the world. May not be able to change the fact that 366 days ago it was an all-girls school, but you can certainly change everyone's memories from 365 days ago of it ever having been an all-girls school. Quote:
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