Bakemonogatari - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[zato_1one]

Originally Posted by ickem

If I remember right, he was try to move her bangs out of her eyes, but she evaded so he grabbed the hem of her skirt. Sengoku isn't a loli and she isn't an adult so Koyomi would have no interest.

Do you mean he decided to grab her skirt because he didn't want her to evade? o_O

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Forever

Yup, my guess is the same as yours. Her stress came from why did she lose him to her when she was the first one to meet him. In fact, everything could have been going to the pace of hanekawa till senjouhara came and snatched him away.

We might see a hanekawa confession at the end. Araragi might be forced to choose hanekawa to save her and abandon hitagi. Or will he wake up and accept he cant save everyone.

That was my thought. The first time it was her parents and this time its Araragi and Senjougahara. I just wonder who she will attack first if she transforms again. BUM-BUM-BUMMM!

Originally Posted by Zetsubo

1. She may comically explode on the spot from fear.


2. She probably sensed Hanekawa's feelings toward Araragi.

Nadeko is apparently very intuitive.

Actually.. I think she was just plain embarrassed. Its already hard for her to talk to him but to do so in front of another person, let alone an older girl, forget it.

[matrigs]

i'm sorry if my question is really lame or answered in this or a topic before but i'm quite confused and haven't found a clue after some extensive search:

tsubasa is asking "what happened to the snake after that?". afaik tsubasa doesn't really know about oshinos and koyomis powers and i haven't seen her in the snake arc either - did i miss something ?

[zato_1one]

Originally Posted by matrigs

i'm sorry if my question is really lame or answered in this or a topic before but i'm quite confused and haven't found a clue after some extensive search:

tsubasa is asking "what happened to the snake after that?". afaik tsubasa doesn't really know about oshinos and koyomis powers and i haven't seen her in the snake arc either - did i miss something ?

She knows Oshino. They also mentioned Oshino in episode 1.

[matrigs]

Originally Posted by zato_1one

She knows Oshino. They also mentioned Oshino in episode 1.

yes i remember just i thought that besides knowing oshino as a "normal" human she doesn't know anything about him nor about what he is doing together with koyomi. after that it seems she does.

[Raiga]

Originally Posted by matrigs

yes i remember just i thought that besides knowing oshino as a "normal" human she doesn't know anything about him nor about what he is doing together with koyomi. after that it seems she does.

Oshino helped her with the cat, so we are told in episode 1 (Oshino made her pay him, remember?) and so she knows of his supernatural expertise. And she did appear in the snake arc, in episode 9, at the bookstore. Araragi was discussing the situation at the shrine with her, remember?

[Azuma Denton]

And as far as i know...
Hanekawa is the 2nd person, Araragi consulted about oddities beside Oshino...

[matrigs]

Originally Posted by Raiga

Oshino helped her with the cat, so we are told in episode 1 (Oshino made her pay him, remember?) and so she knows of his supernatural expertise. And she did appear in the snake arc, in episode 9, at the bookstore. Araragi was discussing the situation at the shrine with her, remember?

ah yes in fact i remember the part in episode one. gosh i'm the worst anime-watcher ever :>

[Raiga]

Originally Posted by matrigs

ah yes in fact i remember the part in episode one. gosh i'm the worst anime-watcher ever :>

Don't sweat it, we all have those little memory moments.

[Zetsubo]

Originally Posted by Raiga

Don't sweat it, we all have those little memory moments.

Sadly for a story like this memory moments are very bad and can ruin it for you.

I realise that you have to be almost Oshino sharp to fully enjoy this tale.

[ickem]

Originally Posted by zato_1one

Do you mean he decided to grab her skirt because he didn't want her to evade? o_O

I don't remember very well since I don't pay very close attention to Nadeko parts. From his personality, I'd say he was doing what adults usually do with little kids in moving hair away from their faces. Even for a lolicon like Koyomi, it's kinda hard to have sexual thoughts about someone who's almost like a sister to him.

[Mughi]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

It is a great harem! He has a diverse range of choices to suit his mood and each one provides ample entertainment.

Umm.. what? How is it sick? Did I miss something here?

Well, of course I was making a joke there, but she does make the statement to him that she'd always wanted an older brother. (As she gazes up at him coyly) Couple that with her insistence of his looking at her semi-nude on his bed when simply lifting a skirt, peeling back a sleeve or baring her midriff would have sufficed. Follow this with her pleas of 'look at me sempai' as she undergoes the ritual all point to a sexualizing of a senior male, related to her role-wise (in her mind). That's tantamount to a mentally incestuous relationship.

She follows this up later with allowing Araragi to lift her skirt in a public place. She offers no resistance and doesn't question his motives or lack of decorum. Any of the other girls (or any typical girl for that matter) would not have allowed such behavior. As to WHY he did it, I still don't quite get. It seemed to be out of character to me, given what we know about Araragi already. It was like he was under a spell and she was a willing participant.

[Arkard]

Best part of the episode: Shinobu flying out of nowhere and <glomp>'ing the neko's neck.

[zato_1one]

Originally Posted by Mughi

It was like he was under a spell and she was a willing participant.

That was also what I felt.

[Woland]

If Hanekawa is possessed by a tailless cat, and she doesn't seem to have a tail in episode 11, why if we look back at the first episode...
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...atep010000.jpg
we can "clearly" spot one?
It's an error by Shaft (not that this would surprise me ) or...

[Dop]

Originally Posted by Arkard

Best part of the episode: Shinobu flying out of nowhere and <glomp>'ing the neko's neck.

Oh yes, that was a great moment!

[Forbin]

Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

Add these.

"... and two sisters who have a brother complex... wait, did I get that right?"

Sorta....you have to read their stories to get the full understanding of what is going on there.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Mughi

Well, of course I was making a joke there, but she does make the statement to him that she'd always wanted an older brother. (As she gazes up at him coyly) Couple that with her insistence of his looking at her semi-nude on his bed when simply lifting a skirt, peeling back a sleeve or baring her midriff would have sufficed. Follow this with her pleas of 'look at me sempai' as she undergoes the ritual all point to a sexualizing of a senior male, related to her role-wise (in her mind). That's tantamount to a mentally incestuous relationship.

She follows this up later with allowing Araragi to lift her skirt in a public place. She offers no resistance and doesn't question his motives or lack of decorum. Any of the other girls (or any typical girl for that matter) would not have allowed such behavior. As to WHY he did it, I still don't quite get. It seemed to be out of character to me, given what we know about Araragi already. It was like he was under a spell and she was a willing participant.

While she was young she wanted an older brother. But her admiration from when she was younger turned into love when she got older. I don't see any incestuous stuff here.

Anyone else? I'm not an expert in this topic so a third opinion would be nice.

[Daniel E.]

Originally Posted by Dextro

Still it was a very good joke, took me back to when I used to watch Doraemon dubbed in Spanish xD

Same one I used to watch back when I was a kid. Barely remember any of it now, though.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

While she was young she wanted an older brother. But her admiration from when she was younger turned into love when she got older. I don't see any incestuous stuff here.

Anyone else? I'm not an expert in this topic so a third opinion would be nice.

She hasn't even met him in 4-6 years. I don't think she had time to fall in love with him as a separate act from admiring him, so I'd agree with Mughi that she's fetishizing him as an older brother archetype. She fell in love with the image of him she had in her mind (which isn't exactly inaccurate, to be fair), and that was of an ideal older brother.