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Nice start for remake, hopefully succesful enough for higher quality of Dyna and Gaia remake.

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I was groaning so hard the moment the MC was saying "I wanna make everone smile!". It worked for Godai Yusuke from Kamen Rider Kuuga when paired with gritty setting. But here, it's just cheese-fest.

And the first kaiju is just a fusion of the two kaijus from the first episode of Ultraman Tiga. And the main villain is just a recycled Ultra-Ex-Girlfriend from Ultraman Tiga movie.

Also, the OP is weak. It's ust by-the-numbers J-pop noise.

Other than those, I have no big complaints about this episode. I did chuckle a bit when Trigger and his Ex-GF started to mud-wrestle outta nowhere. "Mud-wrestling Ultra Ex-lovers" sounds like someone's fetish. Don't tell me it's the director's .

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Call it homage, will you?



The OP is fairly good IMO although I'd say its losing impact because it would suit a badass MC rather than this kind of MC.

Personally I kinda disappointed because after Ultraman Zero, Gridman and Dynazenon, this one feels like Tsuburaya dropped the ball.
Charm of Tiga -> Dyna -> Gaia -> Cosmos series are their light-hearted mature theme with continuing theme. Here we got MC who pretty much opposite of Daigo (positive about helping others rather than conflicted whether one should accept great responsibility) and not exactly good call to Asuka either (no gritty atmosphere, so positivity became less impactful as you said).

Hopefully it became better when it reach half of the story.

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To me, the biggest wtf moment is a human giving the MC the henshin device, and that's not all, Ultraman actually manages to solve the compatibility issue with its own usb stick !!!! How is that even possible?? I don't mind Ultraman giving MC the henshin device and the usb stick, but how on earth Ultraman knows the henshin device created by a mortal needs a usb?? Hopefully there will be some explanation after that.

And I thought Trigger is a direct continuation of Tiga, but now it seems like a parallel world instead? Hopefully there will be more connection with Tiga later on. Right now, Trigger is just a Tiga wanna be at this point.

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The host is paralell opposite to Daigo.
I recall Daigo was calm and charismatic and Kengo? Eerrr cheer and brightly? like most new generations host.

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I wonder if Daigo will appear or not in a cameo.

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Watched the second episode....

lol Kengo and co. arrived to the scene faster than the combat jet!!!

And we all thought Akito would be the typical character who would join the bad guys out of jealously, but then it only took half of an episode for Akito to have a complete altitude change

Overall the show is ok, but it has some lol moments....

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LOL second episode, why does it feels like the human part and the battle part are done by two completely different director?

Human part is just ... ehh ... with Akito got express change of heart and Kengo positivity let him win an argument with ease.
Meanwhile the battle part is pretty nice, felt like they step up nicely after first episode with underwater battle and "Power Geyser" clash.

They really shouldn't treat the series with 50-episode script treatment if they only got half of it.
I won't be able to take Kengo attitude seriously if the conflict potential as human host easily brushed off from the get go, let alone positivity that looks more out of place in this episode compare to before.

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fifth episode...

Kengo to Akito, "I am going to fight the monster, you are going to fend off the 50m giant and save Yuna!!!"

And Darrgon backs off because of a slap in the face???

Guts-select seriously needs a weapon upgrade...just one unmanned jet can't do anything at the moment.

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To think they really went with Carmeara human form done by Uesaka Sumire herself.

Also Basco from Gokaiger now is Dark Trigger; made me wish the good guys are as flashy as the villains. LOL.

[justavisitor]

Originally Posted by Tactics

To think they really went with Carmeara human form done by Uesaka Sumire herself.

I mean, I don't think anyone will oppose this move..if Uesaka Sumire appears more, I think more and more people will start to join the dark side and support Carmeara

Back to trigger...I think it's getting better and better. No single episode is really a stand-alone as all episodes are trying to move the plot forward. Heroine (Yuna, not Akito XD) is finally interacting with our hero... I don't think Tsuburaya focuses on the romance more but one can hope (How nice will it be if Kengo x Yuna parallels with daigo x rena)

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Meh, Sumire looks too young, too cute & too tame for Carmeara. I wanted someone like Maya from Kamen Rider Kiva. Then again, I don't like most of Trigger cast anyway so Carmeara being disappointing for me fits well with the rest of the cast like the grating Kengo & the clueless Yuna/Yuzare.

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Originally Posted by justavisitor

I mean, I don't think anyone will oppose this move..if Uesaka Sumire appears more, I think more and more people will start to join the dark side and support Carmeara

Already happening, LOL. Thanks to internet even Ultraman audience have no issue with Sumippe compare to how skeptical back then having Mamoru Miyano as Zero.

OTOH. So they finally settle to continue the idea, tried fixing how awkward it was to for Gaia and Cosmos being part of Tiga and Dyna "era" despite not on same universe.

But yeah, if this indicating their intention to continue Trigger with new Dyna and Gaia, please don't make their reboot MC lame like Kengo. Tiga might fine to get Kengo as remake counterpart because Daigo is pacifist at heart but Shinn, Gamu and Fujimiya better not; oh, also for Cosmos remake if they do it, I pray so they don't make Chaos Header secondary Ultra (technically) like Ignis with Dark Trigger. LOL.

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Also, since Obelisk prefer mature ones, here's guest for said live show.
If you remember, she's the second navigator girl in Ultraman Gaia. She's really beautiful to the point some Gaia fans commenting they would have no objection for "After Story" kind of stuff. LOL.

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Originally Posted by Tactics

Also, since Obelisk prefer mature ones, here's guest for said live show.
If you remember, she's the second navigator girl in Ultraman Gaia. She's really beautiful to the point some Gaia fans commenting they would have no objection for "After Story" kind of stuff. LOL.

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She was Georgie, right? I always think she has better chemistry with Gamu more than Atsuko. But looks like the Japanese prefer the "more Japanese"-girl to be the winner *sigh*.

Also, since Gaia is my favorite out of the "Heisei trilogy", my reaction of it receiving the Trigger-treatment is:

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

She was Georgie, right? I always think she has better chemistry with Gamu more than Atsuko. But looks like the Japanese prefer the "more Japanese"-girl to be the winner *sigh*.

Also, since Gaia is my favorite out of the "Heisei trilogy", my reaction of it receiving the Trigger-treatment is:

It's inevitable.

[justavisitor]

Yep, it's inevitable...I mean, Kengo is not "lame" imo...come on he fought dark-trigger with his bare hands XD, but every era has a different theme I guess. Sure they can reproduce Tiga if they want, but do they want it? will it bring a commercial success? Are they willing to take risk? I think it's very unlikely...plus, Tiga didn't have live stream at that time, if Tiga had live stream, we could probably complain that Daigo was not good enough compared to the 70s

Having said that, I cringe every time when I think they could reproduce Gaia. I don't care how "lame" this new Gamu will be, but if they don't have enough pilots so they can be rotated, which is 99% going to happen, it's already a huge injustice and insult to the original show. Ppl keep saying how realistic Nexus is, but regarding to this criteria alone (pilots actually take shift so they can take a rest), Nexus doesn't even come close to Gaia XD

P.S holy is that Georgie's recent photo. She looks 2000% better than she was in Gaia!! And she was already good looking in Gaia...Man, Gamu missed his chance XD

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The live event is done and yup, the Dyna and Gaia event featuring Trigger as one of guest Ultra.

So indeed, Dyna and Gaia reboot on the way; probably will treated as shared universe with Trigger.

Originally Posted by justavisitor

Yep, it's inevitable...I mean, Kengo is not "lame" imo...come on he fought dark-trigger with his bare hands XD, but every era has a different theme I guess. Sure they can reproduce Tiga if they want, but do they want it? will it bring a commercial success? Are they willing to take risk? I think it's very unlikely...plus, Tiga didn't have live stream at that time, if Tiga had live stream, we could probably complain that Daigo was not good enough compared to the 70s

Having said that, I cringe every time when I think they could reproduce Gaia. I don't care how "lame" this new Gamu will be, but if they don't have enough pilots so they can be rotated, which is 99% going to happen, it's already a huge injustice and insult to the original show. Ppl keep saying how realistic Nexus is, but regarding to this criteria alone (pilots actually take shift so they can take a rest), Nexus doesn't even come close to Gaia XD

P.S holy is that Georgie's recent photo. She looks 2000% better than she was in Gaia!! And she was already good looking in Gaia...Man, Gamu missed his chance XD

Daigo will be fine even if streaming invented much before.
His primary conflict is he didn't want to be Ultraman like his ancestor; even so he still understand the weight of responsibility being the only proper kaiju counter-measure thus he's glad to knew Shin (Dyna), who technically his kouhai, is ready to protect Earth as he decided leaving to Mars, became starting researcher for Mars colony.

The only thing I see will come as complaint if streaming invented before is how Tiga's screenplay is heavily environmental, leading to lack of intense situation but the atmosphere.
Unlike other Ultraman, Tiga is like an outlier when it come to screenplay (a lot of deep forest shot, empty residential area, half the kaiju treated like some kind of urban legend) as it intended to match the writings given Tiga main writer is novelist known for nature-themed writing; beautiful as 90's TV series format go, streaming and live less likely.

Shin and Gamu are challenging to 'replace'. Shin is good seinen Ultraman protagonist, meanwhile Gamu is amazing MC.
It doesn't help that cast management in Gaia is just superb, probably far ahead of its time. You truly get the feeling the aerial base is a high-maintenance operation base with all the specialists and emphasis of their job desc, crazily none of them neglected. The commander (who became KR Gaoh in Den-O) also written nicely there's impact to every decision making from him.

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Originally Posted by Tactics

It doesn't help that cast management in Gaia is just superb, probably far ahead of its time. You truly get the feeling the aerial base is a high-maintenance operation base with all the specialists and emphasis of their job desc, crazily none of them neglected. The commander (who became KR Gaoh in Den-O) also written nicely there's impact to every decision making from him.

Can't agree more. Not only the cast in aerial base is superb. The trio reporters, the High IQ group? (forgot the name ), the earth military, and the cult that is on the rise due to the alien threat...it's like the whole vivid society in Gaia is presented in front of our eyes. Gaia was not just ahead of its time, I would argue it's ahead of our time as well. The only thing that comes close is Kuuga, and...the current Kamen rider W manga so far

It's not something that a 25 episode series can easily replicate.

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Btw since I don't really follow the New Gen Ultraman (starting from Ginga) did they add some new lore/epilogue to Gaia pass the events of the special TV episode Once Again Gaia? Maybe in some collab episodes or something? Or special appearance?

Also yeah, just thinking that the current showruners even attempting to "remake" Gaia makes my head hurt. So far, Next Gen shows have been failing in capturing the scale of an Ultra series. Ultraman R/B didn't even have any kind of authorities or military in their show (just a couple of officers IIRC). They failed to make a standard Ultraman show's scale, so how can they even begin to touch Gaia and its intricate & expansive world? I mean, look at Trigger right now. Even if the show went to Mars at some point, it still feel small scale. And the special attack team being a bunch of doofus doesn't help matters.

I keep wishing they keep Trigger as separate as possible from Tiga. That reveal episode about the parallel world of Tiga was a sigh of relief for me but we haven't reached the end of this dark tunnel yet.

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From several talk about live performance audience, the recent live performance gave Agul a new form, same Supreme Form like Gaia (with color reversed, of course) also added Gamu, Fujimiya and Shin now aware about existence of Trigger universe.

The talk show also hinted about reason of "Why Daigo is not invited if Trigger is homage to Tiga?"
The reason is because of "Johnny", Hiroshi Nagano (Daigo's actor) agency, set high price for his comeback; similar reason to why KR can't have Takeru Sato reprise Den-O again but for one rare occurrence where he's not even talking. This caused not only the live performance idea for Tiga, Dyna, Gaia trio cancelled but also Trigger initial idea changed from Daigo acting as Kengo mentor into Kengo self-learning with some help from Ribut.

I think the problem is next gen somehow put too much effort dividing audience.

Seriously, why, after Cosmos, Ultras aiming older audiences have to be specifically edgy like Nexus, Zero and Dark Trigger.
Tiga is fairly good with how adult act like adult there, then Dyna where suddenly its close to seinen territory with Shin resolve to never give up tested multiple times, even Gaia protecting earth theme is very relevant to current climate change issue. I wonder why they didn't want to approach that kind of writing anymore, 25 episode is enough if they willing to focus and ignore need to introduce guest Ultras (LOL).