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Also the penguin logo is everywhere. I rewatched the first episode a large number of times, and you spot it in such strange places.
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2011-07-15, 16:11 | Link #442 |
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Still not quite sure what I watched...
Oh, well. Say what you want about Kan's incestuous obsession, at least he gets things done. Sho, OTOH, is a goddamn whiner. They got off incredibly easy compared to Kyuubei's girls, and he's going to complain about a fetch quest and a little voyeurism? |
2011-07-15, 16:25 | Link #444 |
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I think I love this show
The penguins are one of the most awesome parts- I will never underestimate a penguin again, that's for sure... I'm not sure what Himari /the possessed hat ripped out of Kan, it was clearly reminiscent of Utena, but for now I think there can only be speculation- his dna-destined program, his human restrictions, I can only guess...? That said, I appreciated the Yuri-lookalike in the OP, and I'm also pretty sure the Utena/ Lacus lookalike is a guy. |
2011-07-15, 16:26 | Link #445 |
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I don't know about other people, but as someone who has watched many shoujos, I don't mind the art style at all, and in fact I love it. So fabulous. The plot seems to be focused a lot on fate, and how each character deals with the cards they are dealt in life. I expect to see a lot of crazy things in this story. But we'll see. Episode wasn't as fantastic as last weeks, but still thoroughly enjoyable for me .
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2011-07-15, 16:27 | Link #446 | |
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Although I wonder if those penguins will stay so helpful throughout the series.
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2011-07-15, 16:35 | Link #447 | |
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At any rate, he'll get used to it. And maybe, in turn, his brother will start to be a bit more wary of the situation. Kanba seems a little too accepting of all this weird stuff, and to me that's bigger problem that Shoma whining a bit. Because it's really not penguindrum, but pengudrum, as that's the way it's written in Japanese.
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2011-07-15, 16:39 | Link #449 | |
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Sure she writes 95% yaoi works, but i can ready anything for the art.
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2011-07-15, 16:42 | Link #450 | |
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2011-07-15, 16:54 | Link #451 |
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But that's the point: Himari shouldn't be alive! And even though Shoma is truly happy about it, he can't help to think there's something wrong with it. And that's a good thing, because there is something wrong with it! Or what do you think all those references to the Night On The Milky Way Train are there for? I mean, we're talking about a novel which has "coming to terms with a loved one's death" as a freaking main theme, and that's totally opposite to the premise of this show. Don't you think referencing a novel that goes against the series' premise is a little strange? Don't you think it might be a clue that Shoma's doubts about this whole thing are somewhat justified???
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2011-07-15, 17:34 | Link #453 | |
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Okay, done reading the thread. Just a little something here:
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Moving on, to get back to the speculation I mentioned just a bit earlier--that the 'survival strategy' in this show may not necessarily be reproduction oriented, but rather about the survival of a species as a whole: I've got a bit more here. So, I've been thinking about what the show could mean by "the destination of your fate". lol, totally vague, right? Random symbolism or a string of words which could refer to anything and which we'll hardly figure out anything until the end, in all likelihood! This is just something I throwing out there, i.e. the obvious, but: "the destination of your fate" might refer to death, or in a more global context, extinction. After all, that is truly the final 'fate' of everything, isn't it? So, in that case "I come from the destination of your fate" might thus inform us that the Penguins come from a place where they are facing death/extinction, and that this is the eventual destiny of Kanba/Shouma/Himari? too. The Penguins have come to initiate a 'Survival Strategy' which will somehow allow them to get around their destiny, and the Penguin Drum is some sort of key. ("drum"? A container of some sort? You could probably fit a penguin inside something of moderate sizing but it could also be for something more progenital). Alternative explanation: the way "Fate" is used in the various monologues, it almost sounds like it refers exclusively to a person's lover. I.e. your "destined one" is your fate itself, so that to love someone forbidden (a family member, a member of the same sex) would be to make you 'fateless'. I'm riffing off the implications prevalent in Ringo and Kanba's perspectives on fate here, in which case the Crystal Princess's "I come from the destination of your fate" line would be indicating that she comes from the place of your destined lover. "Survival Strategy" would then be the initiative to bring you together with that person, which has a pretty obvious link with the red string symbolism (lol, this is just brainspew, but wow: that's looking pretty convincing to even myself really :P). The Penguin Drum, if we can safely take Ringo's notebook from the end of episode 2 to have something to do with it, seems to somehow be connected to fate or destiny itself. If we try to combine the reproductive implications of 'survival strategy' with the "key" of Fate as it currently seems with the Penguindrum, it really does seem like the point of the strategy might be able uniting you with your loved one of destiny. I like the clarification some of you guys have provided about the train symbolism and Night on the Galactic Railroad; I'm not familiar with that work myself, so it's rather enlightening. The phrase "destination of your fate" takes on a bit more meaning given that metaphor, so I'll have to work that somewhere in eventually. Last edited by Sol Falling; 2011-07-15 at 19:30. |
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Kanba's penguin through and through. Spread girl legs open and stares at their panties without flinching It's clear that penguins reflect some part of their owners personality yeah. No.2 is a clean freak (apparently his gag is spraying bug spray) while No.1 is the cool pervert (oxymoronic, or the plain truth?) while No.3 is the ... fashionable one I suppose Spoiler for Novel spoiler:
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Shou, by contrast, indeed does seem like he is more concerned with "how messed up this all is". In his opening monologue, he basically complains about how fate isn't fair--and it's also in his voice that we hear about, from the future, how things will be terrible and they'll come to regret the price they paid. Kanba is simply willing to pay anything--because for him, Himari is above everything else. Shou, compared to how he first felt in ep. 1's monologue, might eventually come to 'accept fate' and stop Kanba, telling him to accept Himari's passing. However, for the moment, since Shou and Kanba don't actually know anything bad's happening, I agree with Anh Minh that Kanba comes off as a much more powerful and competent character (seriously--they're twins?! Kanba seemed to me like he was ages ahead in terms of maturity). |
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That being said, I like Sho more. Sure, the guy a bit of a wuss, but he does have his good points (being closer to Himari, taking a more active role in her raising). Also, twins don't always come having the same personality
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2011-07-15, 18:47 | Link #457 | |
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It's like someone giving me a million dollars and say "on, by the way, accepting this money means you need to do something for me. I will tell you want it is later". Himari's new life isn't free. The worst thing is we don't actually know what the price is going to be, and that's scary. Especially since her continued existence needs to be maintained... This means at any time, Himari can become dead again if the Princess is so inclined.
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We went with "Penguin Drum" because the editor said screw them Engrish made up words. BTW, "Mawaru (spin)" part is also written illegally as 「輪る」, which is wheel/cycle. In fact, the title was frequently written as 「廻るピングドラム」 online before it started to show in TV guides. I would say the best translation for the line is "Revolving Penguin Drum" rather than "Spinning" for "Mawaru" because of kanji. Some 2ch speculators say the title is actually "Warping Drum", since that kanji also reads as "Wa", but we'll have to see what happens in following eps to determine if that's the case. Last edited by 8thSin; 2011-07-15 at 22:15. |
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