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Sorry, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. Good luck with that, though.
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2012-03-09, 18:25 | Link #942 |
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holding your breath? you sure you got the right thread?
Anyway, preview time http://youtu.be/NP-IzdX6vRg |
2012-03-09, 20:20 | Link #943 | |
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Mato would have been troubled by the disappearance of Yomi's memories, obviously, but not to anywhere near the levels required for IBRS's appearance. In fact, Saya would've probably even begun acting like a proper counsellor to try to reduce/control Mato's pain in order to prevent that possibility. The thing which screwed Saya's plan up here was STR (real-world Yuu). Yuu intentionally wanted to awaken IBRS. If we take her words from the previous episode for truth, she thinks that the existence of the otherworld as a way for girls to escape from their pain is wrong and perhaps wants to get rid of it (and Mato agrees with her, although in a way STR was using her). STR's goal might be in opposition to Saya in that she wants to return the real Yuu (trapped in STR's otherworld body) into reality, whereas Saya wants to fulfill her promise to Yuu and allow her to stay there forever, protecting her as BGS. Their common point is that both of them care for Yuu and wish for her happiness. The plot as it stands seems pretty clear and coherent to me, so I will just address the criticisms. The single point people have been raising complaining about BRS's "inconsistency" is that they didn't expect Saya to have any "good" motivations. Like, at all. Apparently they thought Saya was supposed to be a black and white, purely megalomaniacal, evil villain whose sole motivation was that she got off on little girls' suffering. And for this reason they were unable to get into Yuu and Saya's backstory. If this is the sole point they can muster, I do have to say that the criticisms are pretty ridiculous. Saya has not suddenly become "the good guy". She is still purposely increasing and aggravating the suffering of middle school girls in order to protect someone she made an old promise to. This revelation has done nothing except to give Saya her own motivations. Even if Saya was largely portrayed as malicious previously, this development was hardly unexpected and is hardly any grounds for stating that the writing of the series as a whole is terrible. Anyway, as a general note, I would advise people not to get too excited about ideas like "BRS is the villain" or "Saya and STR are the main characters". If this anime is true to the "core" of the BRS franchise, then the ultimate focus will still be on yuri between BRS and Dead Master (i.e. Mato and Yomi). Yuu and Saya are merely the justification for the plot; Mato, as the uninvolved party dragged into this mess, and as the main character, will have her emotional resolution completed around her relationship with Yomi and the "little bird" story. |
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2012-03-09, 20:34 | Link #944 | |
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Why the hell did she try to scare Mato by choking her ? It's : 1 - disturbing as hell 2 - not helping that much |
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2012-03-09, 20:35 | Link #945 |
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On a less serious note, I can't have been the only person who saw the scene where the otherworld characters fall into the ground about 18 minutes in, with all the brightly-colored flares emanating from the center of the screen, and started thinking "Welcome to rock and roll night, welcome to rock and roll fight...."
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2012-03-09, 20:37 | Link #947 | |
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The series website confirms Mato is hiding some emotion, so you shouldn't take her facade of normalcy at face value.
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2012-03-09, 20:39 | Link #948 | |
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The problem with Saya isn't that she's no longer evil. It's that her plan was hardly a plan. Pushing Yomi over the edge just so that Dead Master can defeat BRS was not well thought out. Saya is supposed to be a school counselor, and unless I'm mistaken, the occupation calls for working with and understanding students. What made Saya settle on provoking Yomi? Because BRS needed to be defeated? That's not a legitimate excuse when there more intelligent methods like... Saya actually doing her job and consoling Mato. The human world drama is so unnatural that it feels as if the writers are forcing the characters to act this way just to match the action scenes in BRS world. |
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2012-03-09, 20:52 | Link #949 | |
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On the previous page's discussion on changes of character design and the "ridiculousness" of the plot, here are my thoughts.
The character designer for the BRS OVA, Yuusuke Matsuo, transferred to iDOLM@STER as its animation director. Because of this, the character designer is tasked with creating new character designs for the anime series for the simple reason of copyright — i.e. one character designer cannot use the already existing designs created by another. Thus the changes in character design. On the plot, whether the series' story is truly unrealistic or realistic doesn't matter. The viewers just can't accept that such a plot can hold together. But it can. And it only depends in the person; there will be people who will react with "I'm confused" or "I don't know what is going on" and there will be people who will manage to understand what is going on. Quote:
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A simple comparison: - Saya is tempted to physically hurt Mato, but occasionally seems to successfully console her emotionally (see her earlier counselling sessions with Mato at the start of the series). - Saya attempts to and is largely successful at emotionally hurting other girls (Kohata, Yomi). Quote:
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2012-03-09, 21:44 | Link #951 | |
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2012-03-09, 21:48 | Link #952 | ||
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considering the point of the series is to make us feel attached(which is done by making characters "real") and cry over what happens to the characters(which we see here is stupidity), its not working. Quote:
I mean, I really dont see any way for this to go back to that. even if mato gains back her self, there's still yomi and her memories. unless we get something out of nowhere like yuu was dumping those bodies to get them be "reborn" in someway, I dont see how it can be resolved. or maybe it will end with like mato "letting go" of yomi for her benefit. |
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2012-03-09, 22:14 | Link #954 | ||
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It still does not answer why Saya chose this method out of all possible ones to weaken/kill Mato and BRS. Again, why not actually help Mato out and alleviate some of her trauma? Calling Saya a dubious counselor does not answer the question. A person does not need the position of counselor to talk to and comfort another person. Why did Saya not even make a geniune attempt to help out Mato? If creating an anti-BRS otherworld army was really the only method Saya had left, where's the desperation? Where's the guilt that Saya should have felt for manipulating the lives of multiple children just to save one? If Saya is repressing that guilt, then why did she smirk as if she was boasting her scheme instead of maintaining an appropriately, stern, stressed out demeanor? This is why Saya's plan and her character in general is unnatural. Quote:
That's what a lot of people do for visually pleasing, but poorly written series. If people focused purely on the plot when they watch stuff like Kanokon, To-Love-Ru, Manyuu Hikenchou, etc and paid no attention to the visuals, everyone would drop those and very few would get to the end. |
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2012-03-09, 22:25 | Link #955 | ||
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I'm not the best with words (maybe), but if an anime is appealing to a human audience, then the anime has to move the humans in the anime in the boundary of humanity. Kind of like how seeing people die is sadder than seeing ants die? Then again, I don't think Noitamina is appealing to an audience on Earth this season.
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Sol Falling: I think /a/ understands this anime series more than a handful of us here.
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2012-03-09, 23:17 | Link #959 | |
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the real reason BRS anime is getting so much reception is because of the otherworld characters and their fights. take out the SoL moments, and id say the show would be getting enough fans to qualify as "best anime this season". getting elements from the OVA imo was a mistake, as we can see that they fail at SoL due to how overblown the drama is going on. they could have cut that out and fill in the void of characters with the others like black devil girl and black matagi for instance. I posted here before a list of various characters that could have been implemented into the story. they work better this way. |
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If Saya's only choice is to do what she has been doing, then the show needs to prove it. Did she try other options like talking to Mato or looking for a way to rescue Yuu and fail? Then show it. The way Saya has behaved, it doesn't look like she was hard pressed to get rid of BRS after failing so many attempts. She initially seemed like a a schemer that was thrilled at how genius her plan was. If there are other feasible options, then it just makes Saya look even more foolish for attempting this convoluted plan. And no, "given that Mato is well adjusted" does not answer my question. In what way does a seemingly happy person prevent someone from talking to her? Saya knows that BRS is her alter ego, and given the nature of the otherworld, Mato must have some issues. Thinking "well, she looks fine, so I can't talk to her" does not logically follow. |
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