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Noe · 2010-05-03, 21:04

It was an okay chapter imho.

khoa1708 · 2010-05-04, 08:09

ace ate his fruit after he left luffy right? we're not gonna see it in this flashback?

~~lonewolf777~~ · 2010-05-04, 08:39

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Originally Posted by khoa1708

ace ate his fruit after he left luffy right? we're not gonna see it in this flashback?

Yeah, that's right. Luffy found out about it when they met up in Arabasta.

I have a feeling that when Ace was eavesdropping on Dadan and the crew talking about how the kid's the son of a world criminal, they may have actually been talking about Luffy. The timeline is the question, because it seems that Dragon just got on the radar of the WG around the time Vivi accompanied her father to the King's council thing, which would have been right around the time this chapter is taking place or possibly slightly before. If that is the case, that might, along with what happens with Luffy's kidnapping and stuff, have something to do with Ace's acceptance of Luffy.

james0246 · 2010-05-04, 09:42

^It's tough to say, but Roger has, generally, been labeled the "devil" in the past, so I would assume that is who Dadan is mentioning.

mechalord · 2010-05-04, 12:52

Luffy isn't the secret son of Dragon. Everyone in the world government knows who he is, specially when Luffy goes around with the name Monkey D. Luffy. The government tolerated Luffy 'cause Dragon was the black sheep of the family. Garp himself is a hero of the Marines.

Ace is the secret son of Gol D Roger. The world government never knew of his existence until much later.

Garp had a plan for Luffy. He was going to shape him into the baddest ass marine in the Navy but Luffy wanted to become a pirate.

It's kind of funny, 'cause Luffy isn't a real pirate. He doesn't do pirate things. He's an errant adventurer.

morbosfist · 2010-05-04, 13:51

Not everyone in the World Government knows about Luffy's heritage. Garp's crew was quite clearly surprised, most of the Shichibukai didn't know, and of the Admirals it seems that only Akainu knew for certain. If it were obvious as a name, which Dragon clearly never uses since even the other Straw Hats hadn't heard it, they'd have hunted down and killed Luffy on the spot. Sengoku obviously tolerated it, but by and large the Marines didn't know about it.

~~lonewolf777~~ · 2010-05-04, 16:56

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Originally Posted by james0246

^It's tough to say, but Roger has, generally, been labeled the "devil" in the past, so I would assume that is who Dadan is mentioning.

Yes, that is more likely. But I think it would be interesting if Ace related to Luffy by realizing that he's not the only one who people scorn for his lineage.

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Originally Posted by mechalord

Luffy isn't the secret son of Dragon. Everyone in the world government knows who he is, specially when Luffy goes around with the name Monkey D. Luffy. The government tolerated Luffy 'cause Dragon was the black sheep of the family. Garp himself is a hero of the Marines.

Ace is the secret son of Gol D Roger. The world government never knew of his existence until much later.

Well, when Garp told Luffy he said 'it's supposed to be a secret', and I think Robin mentioned that nobody even knew his name before that, so I think it was a secret.

Cub-Sama · 2010-05-04, 17:14

Wow Ace is the worse brother ever and Garp is an even worse grandfather. Wolves would've given him a better upbringing, I mean that was just evil, Ace and Garp should be sued for child abuse.

Paraden1989 · 2010-05-04, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Rainbowman

Bluejam?

How would that be different from Bluebeard? Speaking of which, would there be a character called Bluebeard in One Piece (based from the fictional character who killed his wives)?

Bluebeard was not a pirate. This is Bluebeard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebeard

morbosfist · 2010-05-04, 17:33

Well, when you have two kids who would be put to death for merely being related to criminals, you can't exactly have the best accommodations.

Wrath88 · 2010-05-04, 20:17

Yeah, if he'd brought Ace to Marineford, people would ask questions, and the secret would be out. It'd be worse if he'd brought Luffy, who'd be going around screaming 'I wanna be a pirate!'. Not the thing you want to say in the HQ of the people who are the enemies of pirates.

khoa1708 · 2010-05-05, 08:19

i can see how this is such an interesting chapter... 3 pages of replies

lol

~~lonewolf777~~ · 2010-05-05, 09:41

Ha. Yeah. I think everyone's waiting for crew reunion and Fishman Island/the New World, so most people probably aren't too huffed about a flashback to Luffy and Ace's younger, much weaker and less spectacular time.

Trax · 2010-05-05, 10:19

Well, this arc is not going to be all that interesting, especially compared to the previous arcs. But nevertheless, it's a welcome bit of backstory for Luffy and Ace. I'm guessing that this backstory hasn't been done until now because it couldn't have been shown properly without knowing about things like Ace's heritage first.

Best moment: Luffy's attempt to lie.

noktown · 2010-05-05, 11:40

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Originally Posted by khoa1708

i can see how this is such an interesting chapter... 3 pages of replies

lol

It's actually an interesting chapter,but it's a flashback,and so far we haven't seen anything in this flashback for a big discussion,it's kind of sad also because these are the last chapters of Ace :/

marvelB · 2010-05-05, 15:06

Yeah, people were so used to the almost-nonstop string of EPIC that's been going on in the series for the past couple of years that it's not really surprising that some are turned off by this flashback. Personally, I'm glad that the series is taking a breather and giving us some insight on Luffy's past, because it's something I've been interested in for a long time. Yes, I want to see the Straw-Hats reunite and go off on crazy adventures again as badly as the next person, but I'm patient enough to sit back enjoy the crazy events that take place before that time comes, as well......

Kaizokugami · 2010-05-05, 21:39

This chapter made me laugh so much, it was just plain hilarious. I haven't laughed like this while reading One Piece for some time.

I'm glad we finally got to see who Sabo is, the name had me curious ever since Ace mentioned it in chapter 574. Right now, I'm also leaning towards Sabo dying in some manner and that it will help Luffy recover in some way.
Also taking into consideration that in the other flashbacks there was no trace of Sabo and Ace had accepted Luffy (i.e when they became brothers) further indicates Sabo either died or disappeared. And if Sabo is somehow alive he must've been injured to the point of having to give up on his dream to become a pirate or he would probably have tried to save Ace aswell as they appear(ed) to be close friends. This is all just pure speculation and thoughts on my part though, so I'm not going to jump the gun and just see what happens.

What surprised me most about this chapter was Ace's antagonism towards Luffy, and even moreso Luffy's persistence (well, that wasn't so surprising, it's Luffy after all). I figured something like that had happened but never that it was THAT bad. It was a whole new side of Ace I didn't think was there or had been there, but it gave me a good laugh.

I also think I saw a glimpse of what gave Luffy his endless appetite and bottomless stomach...Dadan. I figure that's somewhat similar to how Garp gave him his endless will to live. Or maybe he was just that way to begin with, but it was a funny thought.

While I'm not a huge fan of fillers or flashbacks, I have to say these flashbacks have really intrigued me. My body and mind couldn't keep up with the, as marvelB stated "almost-nonstop string of EPIC" and I was about to implode so this is a nice change of pace. I'm looking forward to the chapters ahead.

Poetic Justice · 2010-05-06, 07:23

This is like a whole new dimension of one piece, I'm loving the flashback so far.

Sabo has the makings of a great future character in the series, Can't wait to see how it plays out.

Also Luffy lying, Is this the first time we've seen him lie in the series?

John D. · 2010-05-06, 09:58

We have seen Luffy lie to Sanji (when he asked Luffy who had eaten all the meat during the night) and he did a very similar bad job out of it then as well...^

grey_1960 · 2010-05-06, 13:25

Chapter 583
That was a very good chapter. Its kind of funny to see Ace chicken out when trying to kill luffy. He lets him die out in the woods, knocks him off the bridge, throws the tree down hill at him.

Hopes
I sure hope Oda will show were Ace got his Devil Fruit from. But Ace did get the fruit when he left the Island.

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morbosfist Spinning Lotus Join Date: Jul 2008	Not everyone in the World Government knows about Luffy's heritage. Garp's crew was quite clearly surprised, most of the Shichibukai didn't know, and of the Admirals it seems that only Akainu knew for certain. If it were obvious as a name, which Dragon clearly never uses since even the other Straw Hats hadn't heard it, they'd have hunted down and killed Luffy on the spot. Sengoku obviously tolerated it, but by and large the Marines didn't know about it. __________________

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morbosfist Spinning Lotus Join Date: Jul 2008	Well, when you have two kids who would be put to death for merely being related to criminals, you can't exactly have the best accommodations. __________________

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james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	^It's tough to say, but Roger has, generally, been labeled the "devil" in the past, so I would assume that is who Dadan is mentioning.

2010-05-04, 12:52	Link #45
mechalord Deploying Funnel Cakes Join Date: Jan 2008	Luffy isn't the secret son of Dragon. Everyone in the world government knows who he is, specially when Luffy goes around with the name Monkey D. Luffy. The government tolerated Luffy 'cause Dragon was the black sheep of the family. Garp himself is a hero of the Marines. Ace is the secret son of Gol D Roger. The world government never knew of his existence until much later. Garp had a plan for Luffy. He was going to shape him into the baddest ass marine in the Navy but Luffy wanted to become a pirate. It's kind of funny, 'cause Luffy isn't a real pirate. He doesn't do pirate things. He's an errant adventurer.

2010-05-04, 20:17	Link #51
Wrath88 Kissing... Join Date: Dec 2005	Yeah, if he'd brought Ace to Marineford, people would ask questions, and the secret would be out. It'd be worse if he'd brought Luffy, who'd be going around screaming 'I wanna be a pirate!'. Not the thing you want to say in the HQ of the people who are the enemies of pirates. __________________ Okairii, Nerine-chan

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khoa1708 www.kh0a.net Join Date: May 2004	i can see how this is such an interesting chapter... 3 pages of replies lol __________________

2010-05-05, 09:41	Link #53
~~lonewolf777~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Land of tha Heartless Age: 35	Ha. Yeah. I think everyone's waiting for crew reunion and Fishman Island/the New World, so most people probably aren't too huffed about a flashback to Luffy and Ace's younger, much weaker and less spectacular time.

2010-05-05, 10:19	Link #54
Trax Rock beats scissors Join Date: Jul 2004	Well, this arc is not going to be all that interesting, especially compared to the previous arcs. But nevertheless, it's a welcome bit of backstory for Luffy and Ace. I'm guessing that this backstory hasn't been done until now because it couldn't have been shown properly without knowing about things like Ace's heritage first. Best moment: Luffy's attempt to lie.

2010-05-05, 15:06	Link #56
marvelB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Yeah, people were so used to the almost-nonstop string of EPIC that's been going on in the series for the past couple of years that it's not really surprising that some are turned off by this flashback. Personally, I'm glad that the series is taking a breather and giving us some insight on Luffy's past, because it's something I've been interested in for a long time. Yes, I want to see the Straw-Hats reunite and go off on crazy adventures again as badly as the next person, but I'm patient enough to sit back enjoy the crazy events that take place before that time comes, as well......

2010-05-05, 21:39	Link #57
Kaizokugami Pirate God Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Over there >.>	This chapter made me laugh so much, it was just plain hilarious. I haven't laughed like this while reading One Piece for some time. I'm glad we finally got to see who Sabo is, the name had me curious ever since Ace mentioned it in chapter 574. Right now, I'm also leaning towards Sabo dying in some manner and that it will help Luffy recover in some way. Also taking into consideration that in the other flashbacks there was no trace of Sabo and Ace had accepted Luffy (i.e when they became brothers) further indicates Sabo either died or disappeared. And if Sabo is somehow alive he must've been injured to the point of having to give up on his dream to become a pirate or he would probably have tried to save Ace aswell as they appear(ed) to be close friends. This is all just pure speculation and thoughts on my part though, so I'm not going to jump the gun and just see what happens. What surprised me most about this chapter was Ace's antagonism towards Luffy, and even moreso Luffy's persistence (well, that wasn't so surprising, it's Luffy after all). I figured something like that had happened but never that it was THAT bad. It was a whole new side of Ace I didn't think was there or had been there, but it gave me a good laugh. I also think I saw a glimpse of what gave Luffy his endless appetite and bottomless stomach...Dadan. I figure that's somewhat similar to how Garp gave him his endless will to live. Or maybe he was just that way to begin with, but it was a funny thought. While I'm not a huge fan of fillers or flashbacks, I have to say these flashbacks have really intrigued me. My body and mind couldn't keep up with the, as marvelB stated "almost-nonstop string of EPIC" and I was about to implode so this is a nice change of pace. I'm looking forward to the chapters ahead.

2010-05-06, 07:23	Link #58
Poetic Justice 100Shots100Hits LuluLaLu Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Inside your heart... Age: 35	This is like a whole new dimension of one piece, I'm loving the flashback so far. Sabo has the makings of a great future character in the series, Can't wait to see how it plays out. Also Luffy lying, Is this the first time we've seen him lie in the series?

2010-05-06, 09:58	Link #59
John D. Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010	We have seen Luffy lie to Sanji (when he asked Luffy who had eaten all the meat during the night) and he did a very similar bad job out of it then as well...^

2010-05-06, 13:25	Link #60
grey_1960 Annie Leonhart Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Indiana	Chapter 583 That was a very good chapter. Its kind of funny to see Ace chicken out when trying to kill luffy. He lets him die out in the woods, knocks him off the bridge, throws the tree down hill at him. Hopes I sure hope Oda will show were Ace got his Devil Fruit from. But Ace did get the fruit when he left the Island.