Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata/How to Train the Ordinary Girl to be a Heroine [LN]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AB079

Oh c'mon cut the bullshit already, we know you really like Saekano but let's be honest, is not even close to be good or at least being a LN that has to be considered average. Maruto just started a story that used to have a lot of potential (especially the first 4 -5 volumes) but ended on being a endless loop where he repeats everything over and over again just to pander the fans that like "X" girl and sell more copies.

Also as far as i'm concerned, both Kuroageha and me read the LN but at least we're aware about the fact that the LN at this point is just a story getting milked and suffering of very bad writting/poorly made character development.

The last volume is nothing but a confirmation of the bad state of this title, especially because Tomoya is still the exact same useless main character from early volumes surrounded by amazing girls that ironically are begging for an opportunity with him. Is not a problem of reading the text properly, is matter of not deluding yourself with it, as you already did.

If you have already read the latest volume, then you should know that:

Spoiler for vol 11:

Tomoya is already admitting to himself that he is using making scenario as a reason to get close to Megumi. And both of them already realized they're getting to the point of unstoppable. Tomoya actually asked for a date with Megumi and her gladly agreed is showing that they are both taking actions to advance their relationship into a romantic one that both admits, rather than using the title of writer and herione. This is parallel to Tomoya's bottleneck in this volume that where MC and main herione getting to become lovers.

Of course you can argue that the epilogue 2 is looping things back, but their relationship has already changed, irreversibly. And it is heavily emphesized in this volume that this is a "turn" phase of the story. So I would doubt whoever says Maruto is looping things again as haven't actually read the latest volume.

I have never said anything about being on average or not, and I admit that the structure of story is not good. I've never been looking into great masterpiece here because it wasn't written in such manner. The writing have always been like a pet project, and there are some pretty nich things written in this series not enjoyable to all.(Many people hates the babbling about his "creator" image)

But if you don't enjoy the interactions between Tomoya and Megumi, then why are you even reading this far in the first place? This is the main point of this title and their interaction in this volume IS good. And their relationship IS advancing. That's what I said. If you think I'm deluding myself about how great it is, then it's just your imagination.

[RedWingFM]

The end is near, huh

[Kuroageha]

Hopefully, the game programming part was terribly executed and it shouldn't be stretched anymore.

[Knight-A]

I read the 9 and 10 volumes some time ago, and just started with the 11 (already read the summary some days ago), but I understand the people that are saying that the series is being milked away, cause it's probably true. but those two novels are made to show how the relationship the main heroines of each novel can't be the end girl.

in both stories we have the idiot MC making a love letter to them via the story that he wrotes, and how the past and present has changed their interactions showing in the end how he envisions the relationship as the otaku he is.

in vol 9, the case with Eriri we clearly know how much he loved and how much she is an important figure in his life and as an otaku, but at the same time how he can NEVER EVER forgive her or see what did he wrong when they were kids and that passes to vol 10, where we have them discuss again from the feedback of Eriri.

in vol 10, we have Utaha and the impossibility of her and Tomoya of being a couple, first they made Eriri be her support when she was crushed by Akane, and how she can't show her weakness to him and that she can't always be the goddess that he sees on her (problem 1 for both, she doesn't want help from him ever, and he doesn't ever sees her as a possible couple but as the monster writer she is).
Second, from the first part, Tomoya CANNOT or MUST NOT go for Utaha cause it would be the problem with Eriri when she shutted-in all over again, and the price he had to pay was really a big one, in the end from that he lost Blessing Soft, so he can't repeat that mistake again. Utaha got bad luck right there and for how she is, he could have helped her, cause in the end he is a fan of her first.

Finally we have the "love letter", were he knows what the answer is
- the first ending were both have a different path for them, this is important, cause even if he sees her as a woman and is always teased by her, he knows he isn't the one for her, and as he realized that, he changed it, he wants more, he wants the happy ending, that why.
- the second ending is the one were she's weak, and as everyone that read the novel, that's not Kasumigaoka Utaha, and we have a change from love letter to a rejection one from the perspective of Utaha, cause she is a monster writer, but her pride is as big as her talent and she can't accept that heroine, cause she feels that Tomoya wants her to be like that, when she knows she can't never give up as a creator and even when she knows that, she still loved what he wrote (the epilogue shows it), cause is him showing that after all, he really had feelings for her in the end, even in his weird otaku way

tl;dr --> vol 9 and 10 were made to make the reader realize which girl he (the author) gonna pick to be the end girl, by making clear why the heroine from each novel is not gonna work.

and Kuroageha said that Tomoya is the one that is dragging the future for both of them, that's a lie, that's what Akane thougt first, but if not for him, Utaha would never have got her groove again, and him being a part important of Utaha, is what helped made Koisuru metronome the big seller that it was.

sorry for the bad english in some parts.

[RedWingFM]

Originally Posted by Knight-A

I read the 9 and 10 volumes some time ago, and just started with the 11 (already read the summary some days ago), but I understand the people that are saying that the series is being milked away, cause it's probably true. but those two novels are made to show how the relationship the main heroines of each novel can't be the end girl.

in both stories we have the idiot MC making a love letter to them via the story that he wrotes, and how the past and present has changed their interactions showing in the end how he envisions the relationship as the otaku he is.

in vol 9, the case with Eriri we clearly know how much he loved and how much she is an important figure in his life and as an otaku, but at the same time how he can NEVER EVER forgive her or see what did he wrong when they were kids and that passes to vol 10, where we have them discuss again from the feedback of Eriri.

in vol 10, we have Utaha and the impossibility of her and Tomoya of being a couple, first they made Eriri be her support when she was crushed by Akane, and how she can't show her weakness to him and that she can't always be the goddess that he sees on her (problem 1 for both, she doesn't want help from him ever, and he doesn't ever sees her as a possible couple but as the monster writer she is).
Second, from the first part, Tomoya CANNOT or MUST NOT go for Utaha cause it would be the problem with Eriri when she shutted-in all over again, and the price he had to pay was really a big one, in the end from that he lost Blessing Soft, so he can't repeat that mistake again. Utaha got bad luck right there and for how she is, he could have helped her, cause in the end he is a fan of her first.

Finally we have the "love letter", were he knows what the answer is
- the first ending were both have a different path for them, this is important, cause even if he sees her as a woman and is always teased by her, he knows he isn't the one for her, and as he realized that, he changed it, he wants more, he wants the happy ending, that why.
- the second ending is the one were she's weak, and as everyone that read the novel, that's not Kasumigaoka Utaha, and we have a change from love letter to a rejection one from the perspective of Utaha, cause she is a monster writer, but her pride is as big as her talent and she can't accept that heroine, cause she feels that Tomoya wants her to be like that, when she knows she can't never give up as a creator and even when she knows that, she still loved what he wrote (the epilogue shows it), cause is him showing that after all, he really had feelings for her in the end, even in his weird otaku way

tl;dr --> vol 9 and 10 were made to make the reader realize which girl he (the author) gonna pick to be the end girl, by making clear why the heroine from each novel is not gonna work.

and Kuroageha said that Tomoya is the one that is dragging the future for both of them, that's a lie, that's what Akane thougt first, but if not for him, Utaha would never have got her groove again, and him being a part important of Utaha, is what helped made Koisuru metronome the big seller that it was.

sorry for the bad english in some parts.

In other words Tomoya will go for Megumi. Well, I kind of expect it

[Kuroageha]

That's shallow because on each of those volumes said heroine were at a disadvantage caused by writing and the bias towards Megumi at the same time because he thinks so and not because he tried first.

[RedWingFM]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

That's shallow because on each of those volumes said heroine were at a disadvantage caused by writing and the bias towards Megumi at the same time because he thinks so and not because he tried first.

That type of writing(each volume - one main heroine) remind me of Kuusen Madoushi series

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by RedWingFM

That type of writing(each volume - one main heroine) remind me of Kuusen Madoushi series

Wait, what? Did they make the drama queen heroine the love interest?

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Knight-A

I read the 9 and 10 volumes some time ago, and just started with the 11 (already read the summary some days ago), but I understand the people that are saying that the series is being milked away, cause it's probably true. but those two novels are made to show how the relationship the main heroines of each novel can't be the end girl.

in both stories we have the idiot MC making a love letter to them via the story that he wrotes, and how the past and present has changed their interactions showing in the end how he envisions the relationship as the otaku he is.

in vol 9, the case with Eriri we clearly know how much he loved and how much she is an important figure in his life and as an otaku, but at the same time how he can NEVER EVER forgive her or see what did he wrong when they were kids and that passes to vol 10, where we have them discuss again from the feedback of Eriri.

in vol 10, we have Utaha and the impossibility of her and Tomoya of being a couple, first they made Eriri be her support when she was crushed by Akane, and how she can't show her weakness to him and that she can't always be the goddess that he sees on her (problem 1 for both, she doesn't want help from him ever, and he doesn't ever sees her as a possible couple but as the monster writer she is).
Second, from the first part, Tomoya CANNOT or MUST NOT go for Utaha cause it would be the problem with Eriri when she shutted-in all over again, and the price he had to pay was really a big one, in the end from that he lost Blessing Soft, so he can't repeat that mistake again. Utaha got bad luck right there and for how she is, he could have helped her, cause in the end he is a fan of her first.

Finally we have the "love letter", were he knows what the answer is
- the first ending were both have a different path for them, this is important, cause even if he sees her as a woman and is always teased by her, he knows he isn't the one for her, and as he realized that, he changed it, he wants more, he wants the happy ending, that why.
- the second ending is the one were she's weak, and as everyone that read the novel, that's not Kasumigaoka Utaha, and we have a change from love letter to a rejection one from the perspective of Utaha, cause she is a monster writer, but her pride is as big as her talent and she can't accept that heroine, cause she feels that Tomoya wants her to be like that, when she knows she can't never give up as a creator and even when she knows that, she still loved what he wrote (the epilogue shows it), cause is him showing that after all, he really had feelings for her in the end, even in his weird otaku way

tl;dr --> vol 9 and 10 were made to make the reader realize which girl he (the author) gonna pick to be the end girl, by making clear why the heroine from each novel is not gonna work.

and Kuroageha said that Tomoya is the one that is dragging the future for both of them, that's a lie, that's what Akane thougt first, but if not for him, Utaha would never have got her groove again, and him being a part important of Utaha, is what helped made Koisuru metronome the big seller that it was.

sorry for the bad english in some parts.

Thank god there is someone who's not biased with this title and can make a very good summary.

What I find very painful about this LN is how the drama is extended to the point that can't even be taken in a serious way. We know Eriri is out of the race, Utaha sadly is out of the race too (even when she's superior to Eriri and Megumi), which leads to know the ending will be Megumi's route.

For me, Tomoya needs to stay alone, he don't deserve any of the girls.

[Knight-A]

Originally Posted by AB079

Thank god there is someone who's not biased with this title and can make a very good summary.

What I find very painful about this LN is how the drama is extended to the point that can't even be taken in a serious way. We know Eriri is out of the race, Utaha sadly is out of the race too (even when she's superior to Eriri and Megumi), which leads to know the ending will be Megumi's route.

For me, Tomoya needs to stay alone, he don't deserve any of the girls.

thanks for the compliment,
I really like Utaha too, but she's too prideful and even knowing the level of denseness of Tomoya, she doesn't try to confess when she gets the chance (although the scene at the hotel is like realizing Tomoya probably has psychological issues to not get her advances)

at least Utaha got her own spin-off that has a lot more chapters and shows that she can get ending there (not like egoistic lily, but well, not much of a fan of tsudenres)

I understand where you are getting how she doesn't deserve them, but I would love that he ends with Megumi cause they really work good together and it's really funny their interactions, and when the girls disappeared and Tomoya confronting her when she started to ignore him and telling how much the game and the team meant to her, it really got me, and well I like that even if she wasn't the first cover girl she's indeed the main focus of his games and he shows the more romantic feelings for her.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Knight-A

thanks for the compliment,
I really like Utaha too, but she's too prideful and even knowing the level of denseness of Tomoya, she doesn't try to confess when she gets the chance (although the scene at the hotel is like realizing Tomoya probably has psychological issues to not get her advances)

at least Utaha got her own spin-off that has a lot more chapters and shows that she can get ending there (not like egoistic lily, but well, not much of a fan of tsudenres)

I understand where you are getting how she doesn't deserve them, but I would love that he ends with Megumi cause they really work good together and it's really funny their interactions, and when the girls disappeared and Tomoya confronting her when she started to ignore him and telling how much the game and the team meant to her, it really got me, and well I like that even if she wasn't the first cover girl she's indeed the main focus of his games and he shows the more romantic feelings for her.

After re-reading epilogue 1 and 2 of volume 11 is pretty much confirmed that Tomoya will end with Megumi but the way how epilogue 2 ended gives me really bad vibes. It seems like we're going to have more drama on volume 12, also we need to add how Tomoya will deal with Utaha and Eriri to finally stop acting like an idiot and gives them the final answer so he can avoid hurting them even more (Utaha and Eriri already suffered a lot thanks to him).

What was good of volume 11 is the way how Megumi showed another side of her, something more dynamic and colorfull instead of the flat personality she always showed on previous volumes. Tomoya on the other hand is still an idiot but this time we saw some sort of confirmation about his real feelings and yeah the girl that moves his world is Megumi.

Anyway I really want to see this ending soon, there is nothing more to explore, just end the ride.

[orange2501]

Originally Posted by AB079

After re-reading epilogue 1 and 2 of volume 11 is pretty much confirmed that Tomoya will end with Megumi but the way how epilogue 2 ended gives me really bad vibes. It seems like we're going to have more drama on volume 12, also we need to add how Tomoya will deal with Utaha and Eriri to finally stop acting like an idiot and gives them the final answer so he can avoid hurting them even more (Utaha and Eriri already suffered a lot thanks to him).

What was good of volume 11 is the way how Megumi showed another side of her, something more dynamic and colorfull instead of the flat personality she always showed on previous volumes. Tomoya on the other hand is still an idiot but this time we saw some sort of confirmation about his real feelings and yeah the girl that moves his world is Megumi.

Anyway I really want to see this ending soon, there is nothing more to explore, just end the ride.

He's already rejected Utaha twice, you can't get anymore final than that. Personally I felt Volume 10 was utterly redundant.

[AB079]

Hahaha this is absolutely hilarious, Maruto is still pushing more pointless drama to milk the LN, check this out. This is one of those LN's who started in a really good way and ended on being utter trash thank's to the author's greed. Seriously he needs to cut the bullshit and end the story, there is not much to do and even Metronome is superior to this.

Volume 12 plot line:
-Megumi quits being main heroine!? The circle is in crisis of disbanding, again -

-Tomoya gets a sudden phone call from Megumi and cancels the long-awaited birthday date. He goes to a hospital. Put in an unexpected situation, Tomoya is faced with a serious decision.

[Kuroageha]

It feel likes the author is slapping fans in the face with a red herring/bait.


This is just is sad and pathetic.

[IceHism]

What do you mean by pointless drama. All of maruto's stuff is drama.

[orange2501]

Originally Posted by AB079

Hahaha this is absolutely hilarious, Maruto is still pushing more pointless drama to milk the LN, check this out. This is one of those LN's who started in a really good way and ended on being utter trash thank's to the author's greed. Seriously he needs to cut the bullshit and end the story, there is not much to do and even Metronome is superior to this.

Volume 12 plot line:
-Megumi quits being main heroine!? The circle is in crisis of disbanding, again -

-Tomoya gets a sudden phone call from Megumi and cancels the long-awaited birthday date. He goes to a hospital. Put in an unexpected situation, Tomoya is faced with a serious decision.

One, your outline is slightly outdated. There's nothing in the outline that says the phone call is from Megumi. Two, you're exaggerating. The only volumes with pointless drama are Volumes 9 and 10. Volume 11 is absolutely amazing, and going off the reactions here it really feels like no one actually reads the LNs. There is still a shitton of stuff to do, and the series could easily go for more than three volumes.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by orange2501

One, your outline is slightly outdated. There's nothing in the outline that says the phone call is from Megumi. Two, you're exaggerating. The only volumes with pointless drama are Volumes 9 and 10. Volume 11 is absolutely amazing, and going off the reactions here it really feels like no one actually reads the LNs. There is still a shitton of stuff to do, and the series could easily go for more than three volumes.

This is the original text.

加藤恵、メインヒロイン辞退!?　サークル分裂の危機、再び――
突然の電話を受け、待ちに待った加藤恵との誕生日デートをドタキャンして倫也が向かった場所は――病院だっ た。そこで知らされた予想だにしない状況に、倫也は大きな決断を迫られ……!?

It is indeed not 100% accurate but if I remember correctly the last part of the previous volume shows Tomoya getting a call from Megumi, and suddenly the preview of this volume shows that.

>Exaggerating.
Yeah sure, Maruto fixing most of the problems with each girls on early volumes and then pull more unnecessary drama out of nowhere (a.k.a Akane) isn't wrong. Trying to keep using all the characters to show the obvious, which is megumi being the main girl, for the sole purpose of milking the fanbase isn't wront at all... yeah right.

Volume 11 is nothing but the same thing Maruto did on volumes 9 and 10, pull a bunch of situations to discard Utaha and Eriri so he can put Megumi on an even more stronger winning place, this added something new or better to improve the story? nothing at all. Considering you call it amazing I can assume you're a Megumi fan right? because volume 11 is just a bunch of vanilla scenes between Tomoya and Megumi. Actually Volume 11 is Maruto saying "ups I fucked up the previous 2 volumes so here you have! an apology so you can forget how I try to milk this".

There is nothing more to do in this story, no more aspects of the characters to explore when Maruto is just re-using problems from previous volumes and just changing the details surrounding them. There you have Utaha and her doubts on volume 7-8 and then he pulled out again on the recent volumes, meanwhile where is Eriri? into the oblivion as a supporting character. On the other hand, and this is the most obvious part, Maruto never deloped Tomoya in a right way, he's acting in the exact same way as he did on all the past volumes and the best proof of that was that scene where Eriri literally asked for help but instead Tomoya was still a clueless guy and that ended on Utaha being hurt and realizing that Tomoya will never look at her in the way she wants.

Having a lot of people who doesn't like what's happening in this LN right now, being filled with bad writting and cheesy drama doesn't mean they don't read it, actually most of the users who post here actually read the books, so stop assuming things just because you like this okay?.

[orange2501]

Originally Posted by AB079

This is the original text.

加藤恵、メインヒロイン辞退!?　サークル分裂の危機、再び――
突然の電話を受け、待ちに待った加藤恵との誕生日デートをドタキャンして倫也が向かった場所は――病院だっ た。そこで知らされた予想だにしない状況に、倫也は大きな決断を迫られ……!?

It is indeed not 100% accurate but if I remember correctly the last part of the previous volume shows Tomoya getting a call from Megumi, and suddenly the preview of this volume shows that.

It doesn't. It's ambiguous who's saying what.

Yeah sure, Maruto fixing most of the problems with each girls on early volumes and then pull more unnecessary drama out of nowhere (a.k.a Akane) isn't wrong. Trying to keep using all the characters to show the obvious, which is megumi being the main girl, for the sole purpose of milking the fanbase isn't wront at all... yeah right.

Akane was fine as a plot device for earlier volumes. I hate her now, but she was necessary to speed up Eriri and Utaha's eventual departure. V9 and 10 are milking, we agree on that.

Volume 11 is nothing but the same thing Maruto did on volumes 9 and 10, pull a bunch of situations to discard Utaha and Eriri so he can put Megumi on an even more strongest winning place,

Absolutely false. Megumi had barely any screentime in those two volumes. How can you say 9 and 10 discarded those two girls when they're the focus?

now this added something new or better to the story? nothing at all. Considering you call it amazing I can assume you're a Megumi fan right? because volume 11 is just a bunch of vanilla scenes between Tomoya and Megumi. Actually Volume 11 is Maruto saying "ups I fucked up the previous 2 volumes so here you have! an apology so you can forget how I try to milk this".

V11 finally had romantic development after two volumes of absolutely nothing. Just a bunch of vanilla scenes? They're finally opening up to each other. They've seen new sides of each other and are practically a couple now.

There is nothing more to do in this story, no more aspects of the characters to explore when Maruto is just re-using problems from previous volumes and just changing the details surrounding them.

There's a ton of stuff to do, stuff like what Tomoya will do in the future and how Eriri will deal with the fallout of losing the love triangle. It's not reusing, the stuff above is new content.

There you have Utaha and her doubts on volume 7-8 and then he pulled out again on the recent volumes, meanwhile where is Eriri? into the oblivion as a supporting character.

Utaha should never have appeared after Volume 7. Her story was done and what we have is an abomination. Eriri? She shouldn't have as much screentime, that's the whole point of her departure. The fact that the two girls continue to have screentime in Part 2 is a massive flaw.

And having a lot of people who doesn't like this LN filled with bad writting doesn't mean they don't read it, actually most of the users who post here actually read it, so stop assuming things just because you like this okay?.

Your understanding of the LN is so bad that if you actually did read it, that's even more laughable. Thinking Volumes 9 and 10 discarded Eriri and Utaha? How blind are you? Volumes 9 and 10 are absolutely horrendous and should never have been written, but GS2 and 11 are excellent. Part 2's main problems are the huge disparity from the huge highs of GS2 and 11 and the huge lows of 9 and 10 and the fact that Maruto is unwilling to shift the focus from the old and tired Eriri and Utaha to the new circle.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by orange2501

Akane was fine as a plot device for earlier volumes. I hate her now, but she was necessary to speed up Eriri and Utaha's eventual departure. V9 and 10 are milking, we agree on that.

Eriri and utaha's departure should be done on vol 7 and 8, that was the break point.

Originally Posted by orange2501

Absolutely false. Megumi had barely any screentime in those two volumes. How can you say 9 and 10 discarded those two girls when they're the focus?

I assume you know nothing more than summaries and your reading comprehension is terrible, because volume 9 and 10 are focused on Eriri and Utaha for the sole purpose or getting rid of them and finally focus on Megumi, those 2 volumes were a complete waste when Maruto can easily just place all what happened on volume 11 long time ago.

Originally Posted by orange2501

V11 finally had romantic development after two volumes of absolutely nothing. Just a bunch of vanilla scenes? They're finally opening up to each other. They've seen new sides of each other and are practically a couple now.

Everyone knows Megumi was the closest to Tomoya since volume 7, but part 2 came out and everything turned into a drama fest instead of just going for the most simple way and keep the mood of the beginning of this story.

Originally Posted by orange2501

There's a ton of stuff to do, stuff like what Tomoya will do in the future and how Eriri will deal with the fallout of losing the love triangle. It's not reusing, the stuff above is new content.

11 volumes withour progress on the main character, instead what do we get? drama, fanservice, and Tomoya being the same incompetent MC. Anyone can see that the story will never evolve if Tomoya doesn't change, and that's the problem with Maruto, he's trying to do that but using the girls as plot device instead of fixing Tomoya's personality.

Originally Posted by orange2501

Utaha should never have appeared after Volume 7. Her story was done and what we have is an abomination. Eriri? She shouldn't have as much screentime, that's the whole point of her departure. The fact that the two girls continue to have screentime in Part 2 is a massive flaw.

Nothing to say, 100% right.

Originally Posted by orange2501

Your understanding of the LN is so bad that if you actually did read it, that's even more laughable. Thinking Volumes 9 and 10 discarded Eriri and Utaha? How blind are you? Volumes 9 and 10 are absolutely horrendous and should never have been written, but GS2 and 11 are excellent. Part 2's main problems are the huge disparity from the huge highs of GS2 and 11 and the huge lows of 9 and 10 and the fact that Maruto is unwilling to shift the focus from the old and tired Eriri and Utaha to the new circle.

Even when you have things right on your POV, you're literally failing at the most crucial part, that's your lack of reading comprehension. What's even worse, you choose to be a shitposter instead of keeping that for you, leaving the conversation in a peaceful mood.

Lemme explain this in a more simple way so you can understand what I mean. Volume 9 and 10 are a mistake but they worked on 1 thing and that's putting Utaha and Eriri on a stage where they cannot get close to Tomoya again in a romantic way, this works perfectly to push Megumi way over them. Now moving to another detail, you're confirming my words about yourself and volume 11, this last volume was good in terms of Megumi's development but aside that was still the same poorly made story trying to fix the mess of the other 2 previous volumes.

There is only 1 way to fix this, hit Tomoya with a stong change that makes him aware of what's going on instead of being the same passive and pathethic MC, reaching a stage where he's competent enough to have a proper relationship with Megumi (a romantic one) and the rest of the girls (as friends/co-workers), then finally making him a successful game creator. That's it, and Maruto doesn't need to push this for 3-4 volumes, it can be done in just 2 volumes.

[Marcus H.]

What do you mean by pointless drama. All of maruto's stuff is drama.

Then that means Maruto's works are pointless.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO