2008-02-24, 14:54 | Link #1061 |
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You're describing what makes something specificly unique, not separate from the mold. Connections between series and stories aren't judged by what makes them unique; they are judged by what is similar. And Seed is not only similar in plot, but also in characters (as I detailed earlier).
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2008-02-24, 15:04 | Link #1062 | ||
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I, for instance, think that it is this "uniqueness" that made some people hate SEED and the other love it. Period. |
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2008-02-25, 14:04 | Link #1066 | ||
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2008-02-26, 21:15 | Link #1067 |
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geez mentioning star wars in GS series besides fukada is a star wars so maybe he was using some of star wars stuff in GS series.
besides unless his wife also a star wars fan? so i don't care whatever ideas they used in GS it has shown that the GS is a the series that innovate an era of anime.
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2008-02-26, 21:22 | Link #1068 |
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DKLAC: You can't put a sentence that confirms Fukuda incorporated Star Wars and then say it's innovative. Besides, the analogies between SEED and Star Wars aren't that outstanding to say that they are.
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2008-02-26, 22:50 | Link #1069 | |
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Soap opera teen angst characterization? I think Wing would like to have a word with you. well, not entirely, but I felt that some of the characters could've done more than with just being pretty boys using Gundams, and to think Wing introduced me into the Gundam thing, so...>.>;; Anyway, it's not just SEED and Destiny that suffers the same stigma, others have their own shares of stigma as well. @ 4Tran Um, how exactly will the political climate in Destiny change after what happened in SE IV? And how could it be greater? the only chance they had left before sealing it with the "flawless victory" was when Shinn happened, but even so, he was pushed so far back into the background that even Dullindal and the rest of the new cast didn't matter at all because of the old cast. Fukuda pretty much finished CE with what has happened in SE IV, because trying to make the old cast unlikeable in a new series or movie would have the CE explode right in Fukuda and Morosawa's faces. You seem to be always forgetting what happened in SE IV... all political threats have been removed, Lacus has made Kira a white coat, Athrun is now in Orb with Cagalli leading Orb Union again, and Shinn, Lunamaria and Meyrin are also pretty much part of the same Clyne crew, so...3.3;; add Terminal and Factory into the mix...even Martians with their Destiny Plan wouldn't stand a chance. even the Astray cast seems to be leaning towards the Clyne Faction, or what I know of anyway, so correct me if I'm wrong, so there goes Destiny's political climate after the end of Destiny.
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2008-02-27, 04:15 | Link #1070 | ||
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2008-02-27, 10:15 | Link #1071 |
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As far as SEED is concerned, most of the character designs it has is indeed different from older shows because it sports a look that appeals to a younger generation of fans. The mech designs are, as well - they are certainly geared towards fans who love flashier Gundams and who could take down armies in a single shot or something. of course, older Gundam series have their own super weapons that defy all sense of logic, but even if they had, they quite tied it in with the current pacing of where their technology was headed, whereas in the CE, everything just becomes what it is in a span of...um...2 years. >.>;;
As for the mood, it couldn't really be said that one mood fits others, or whatever, but SEED and Destiny have their own similar moods to other Gundam series because of the war (there should always be a war I guess ) and the struggle between the Earthians and the colonists living in space. It may be termed differently (Naturals VS Coordinators) but the premise remains the same. Trying to view war from a civilian standpoint has always been the same as Kira and Shinn - there's Amuro, Kamille, and Judau, all of whom were also drawn into war not by choice but by the circumstances that forced them to make the choice instead. They went through their story as emos, forced to change spectacularly because of something that has happened to them and they were shocked to reality and so have to adapt to them, and were given special instances wherein they piloted the series' titular mechs and were given rivals, and loved ones. They managed to deepen their own characterizations throughout the story, or probably did not in the case of some fans who don't think that they did, and obtained a fanbase throughout the years not because of how they were drawn but because of the characters that they represented. Most Gundam series in the latter years always look for Amuro-ish characters and Char-ish characters, to which some protagonists and antagonists fit to a degree, as well as creating memorable characters on the side, and enriching the Gundam experience as well because of new takes on the Gundams, new grunt suits, or whatever the total mech otaku takes a fancy to. Whatever the case, the true Gundam experience always seem to center on how well it compares to the UC, mostly because of the fact that the older series were the prototypes on which most latter Gundam series based themselves on, with a notable few exceptions to this rule. Serving as yardsticks, stating something as either Gundam-y or not Gundam-y could point to this, or are always based on the interpretation of some fans, or in the case of the recently added additions to the fandom, relate everything that they see or watch in after seeing SEED and Destiny to them, so there are the heated CE AD debates. Saying the SEED or Destiny as unique doesn't really cut it from the rest of the Gundam series out there. What makes them unique is also present to some effect in the other Gundam shows, so it also negates that. The war on ideals was played to great effect in Wing, so saying that the war of ideals being fought in the CE would be also very much Wing 2.0. We have the Gundam staples of the masked man, the rival, the generic war between Earth and the colonies, the Gundams of course, and the grunt suits (in Destiny anyway). The only minor things SEED could differ from other Gundam shows is that the titular Gundam isn't called SEED, and because by the time it reached Destiny, almost everyone could have a Gundam at their disposal. SEED could also be called as unique because you have no idea who the heroes and the villains are, but not because of the writer's superiority in creating subtleties with the characters in order to create that effect. >.>;;
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2008-02-27, 11:06 | Link #1073 |
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But of course, Eidolon Sniper. I have mentioned a couple of times that I do not perceive SEED as completely "cut off" of the whole franchise. Just that its uniqueness is, well, so unique
By talking about its mood, I did not mean the theme of war, but rather this sometimes warm-sometimes-dramatic atmosphere of a teenage drama To me, SEED/Destiny stand out from the rest of the Gundams also because of the traits you just mentioned in your post. It was made to appeal for the younger generations, but ended up having also older fans like me |
2008-02-27, 23:07 | Link #1074 |
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Um 4Tran, I was replying specifically to the last post Sir Dearka posted before my post, so...>.>;; if it was a post from pages ago of course i will post them, you know i always do... @ Sir Dearka You were arguing with Dean_the_Young about the uniqueness of Gundam SEED weren't you? Saying something unique is saying something that is totally different from the normal Gundam show. Gundam shows aren't exactly all copy pasta designs of one another, but they are similar because they show aspects of Gundam, which I already mentioned. The proper word for SEED and the other Gundam shows is that they are similar to each other, not unique. I am pretty sure the older Gundam series tackled emo in so many differnet levels as well, and the human drama surrounding war, and its effects on the innocent civilians, and the military.
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2008-02-28, 01:53 | Link #1076 |
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I was replying to your bit about your answering post to Dean_the_Young, regarding your arguments about SEED and its supposed difference from any UC show...and you talked about the geopolitical situation of Destiny at the end. >.>;;
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2008-02-28, 09:38 | Link #1078 | |
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True... The great divide of fans is a testimony to that... Seed and Destiny is either you love it or hate it.... Most other gundum shows dont have this great divide in fans. Closest one i can think of is G-gundam but even then most just dislikes it, not hate it.. But Seed and Destiny is still a series in a gundum-verse and is unique... but im not sure if its the uniquness that makes it different in a good or bad way. The anti-CE fans do give their opinions quite strong and loudest compared to all the other gundum shows out there. Ultimatly its up to each individual viewer to decide on, and have their reasons. |
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2008-02-28, 10:03 | Link #1079 | |
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I wasn't writing about how the political climate will change after the end of Destiny - my actual quote was "And of course, by Destiny, almost everything is different from any of the UC shows. Given the geopolitical situation at the end of Destiny, this difference will only be greater for any future Cosmic Era works."
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2008-02-28, 15:25 | Link #1080 | |
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My advice to the more "mature" Gundam fans is... be TRULY mature, guys. And truly mature person just forgives or ignores those whom they consider to be childish (like I do it with D-KLAC). When a person shows that he is outright rude, we should blame the man, not the series he likes. And hey... SEED ownz all and Kira ownz all... but it's just me Here's something to lighten up the mood and milden the divides: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBMTiIk-qc Last edited by Sir Dearka; 2008-02-28 at 15:42. |
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