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Originally Posted by stray
Valid. We can't really remove Ranka from those scenes, though, and the only insight we really get is of her feelings. Where that takes us in the grand scheme of things... we'll find out.
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It's quite simple to get an impression of what the other characters are feeling, even though it can be difficult to put those feelings to words. Everything is still there, though.
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Originally Posted by stray
As adorable as that behavior is... it's a defense mechanism through and through. She goes the other way too, saying how she really feels and then covering it up...
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You're absolutely right. I hadn't looked at it that way.
But while sublimation may be a defense mechanism, it's also one of the healthy ones. Sheryl doesn't mask her initial emotion; instead, she exposes it and transforms it to produce a positive result. So she ends up producing a curious mix of sweet and sour, without needing to go the tsundere route to achieve that result.
Someone wrote elsewhere that it's like getting Belldandy and Urd in the same character. I think I can see what they were getting at...
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Originally Posted by squaresphere
So who here thinks that Sheryl is just smothering Alto? I'm of the mind that if they weren't together so much he'd be more attracted to her.
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I don't. For one, Sheryl doesn't push Alto to reveal anything about himself that he isn't willing to discuss. In addition, she is shown to be really understanding when she learns that Alto has to kiss another girl for the sake of the film, and even goes to talk it over with him to make him feel more comfortable. When Alto has to go fight, Sheryl acknowledges it without dispute and lends him her earring for luck. Sheryl is supportive and gives Alto the freedom to do whatever he wants to do. What more could he ask of from her?
I think that one reason that Sheryl is able to recognize Alto's needs is because she needs her freedom too. Of course, it will become more difficult for Sheryl to stay so open minded if she starts to feel insecure about her relationship with Alto, but we'll have to see how this develops.
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Originally Posted by Wesley84
Sheryl fat and washed up with Alto working at the Nyan-Nyan to make ends meet? Yes please!  |
Alto would make a fortune in tips by wearing the Nyan-Nyan outfit. Then he'd go with Sheryl to retire on a beautiful remote planet with a proper sky.
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Originally Posted by ani_d
That Alto lied to Ranka because he didn't want her to know he was with Sheryl at the Folmo? When in actuality, he really didn't have to do that because it's supposed to be no big deal.
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Wait. Are you saying that Alto's date with Sheryl was a bigger deal to Alto than it should have been?
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Originally Posted by ani_d
The value of something is different to each individual. To Sheryl, an autograph may be nothing, but to another Sheryl fan, even a sloppy autograph may mean a million. She should know that and should give to her fans as much as possible. (I feel like a broken record) Giving autograph isn't really THAT hard. It's no use trying to defend Sheryl here. She is clearly picking favorites here among her fans by saying she won't do it again when asked the second time.
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I think the entry demonstrated that signing autographs carried a lot of meaning for Sheryl as well. The example also showed that she does give them out when it is very important to the person in question. But she doesn't hand them out thoughtlessly.
This is consistant with the post about Ranka's birthday as well. It would have been easy enough for Sheryl to give Ranka a gift for the sake of giving her a gift. Instead, Sheryl takes the time to choose a present which, while simple, makes a statement about how she personally views Ranka. She wouldn't do this if she took her relationship with Ranka for granted.
From a practical standpoint, you're on the right track. It does make sense to just hand out autographs without giving it a second thought, because you don't want to risk offending your fans. But if they love her unconditionally, as you later claim, then they'd understand why Sheryl took this stance in the first place. So Sheryl can't be offending her fans, based on your own reasoning.
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Pours her emotion? To that one autograph lol And each one? She only gave one special filled with 'love' autograph to the boy. That's it. There are no "each one". |
If Sheryl carries around a specific pen that she exclusively uses for autographs, then it implies that there are more than one.
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Originally Posted by ani_d
I can just imagine the ten year old boy gloating to a more hardcore 10 yr old Sheryl fangirl and getting her jealous, the disappointment, crying, leads to bickering etc etc.
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Eh? Now the little boy's a villain?
Considering that he went to get the autograph just for the sake of his little sister, I doubt that he would do such a thing.
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Originally Posted by ani_d
You underestimate music. ^__^
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I don't underestimate music, nor do I underestimate the time and effort that goes into forging a close bond with someone.
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Originally Posted by ani_d
To write a good song is to put a piece of yourself out there to let it reach people. It's a two-way thing. It's how Sheryl as a composer and a singer expresses herself. She doesn't just sing because she's required to entertain. True artists don't think like that. Real fans don't just become fans because of the song, they also get an idea of what kind of person the singer is and can love her from there. I mean, I hear songs from Alicia Keys, and I get a sense of what she's all about. I'm sure there are better examples out there. It's amazing how people connect through music. It's almost unnatural.
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Just like the telling of a story is influenced by the interpretation of the reader, the meaning of a song is influenced by the interpretation of the listener. Do the words "Diamond Crevasse" necessarily conjure up an image of the night sky?
Music is not so much about communicating facts about a person as it engages us to examine our own thoughts and feelings. The words "long, long goodbye", for example, may remind you of your own feelings of having to part company with someone, but that response changes the universal nature of 'having to say goodbye' into a specific, personal one. By doing so, however, you don't get to see much about the specific nature of the singer's (or songwriter's) experience. Music is all about
you, regardless of whether you're the singer, or the person listening.
You may feel like you know someone by listening to their music, but that doesn't mean that you actually do know them. It's just the same as a crush: you like what you think that you know, instead of what you really do know.
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Originally Posted by ani_d
"Close friends who love Sheryl are more valuable than a random person who loves Sheryl just as much." Is that what you mean? =/ No matter how you look at it, affection IS affection. If it's genuine then it would be wrong to discriminate.
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The phrase "loves Sheryl just as much" is a big assumption. How can you love someone without spending time with them and getting to know them in person?
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Originally Posted by ani_d
Having a friend is nice and all, but love from your true fans, all those real feelings, does Not fall short to it. This is something Sheryl should realize if ever she starts going 'woe is me I don't have friends'. Doubt she'll end up like this.
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Do you really think that popularity can replace love, friendship, and a family?
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Originally Posted by ani_d
Must be a really nice alibi to leave her own fans' destiny to someone. She doesn't want leaving her destiny to someone else's hands yet she has no qualms when it comes to her fans leaving their own destiny to the military's hands lol
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Sheryl doesn't control anyone else's destiny. She inspires people to take control of their own.
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Originally Posted by ani_d
I'm not slandering Sheryl lol I support my points, didn't I? It's not like I'm basing all of this on thin air. This is just what I nitpicked since almost everyone here seems to portray Sheryl as a sad idol who needs noone but Alto and with an almost perfect mentality and body to boot.  |
I have no problems with that, seeing as you admit to nitpicking...
Given that this is the relationship thread, my worry was that your line of argument could easily open the door to character attacks from both sides.
The more you argue something, the more you come to believe it yourself. You probably don't want to build up feelings of resentment towards Sheryl any more than I do towards Ranka (in fact, I daresay that I wouldn't be much of a Sheryl fan without sharing Sheryl's respect for Ranka's accomplishments). But if we allow ourselves to get caught up in arguments about the relative "morality" of the characters, it's going to become much harder to retain that point of view.
Sheryl isn't perfect, by any stretch of the imagination. But you might say that we love her for her
imperfect mentality.
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