2010-11-04, 13:10 | Link #101 | |
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2.) Because R-18 games aren't illegal, the topic of concern is not legality, but influence. Kirino is obviously not 18, so she has no business owning a R-18 labelled game. Both Kyousuke and his father agreed on this. 3.) Because Kyousuke is an adult, there is nothing morally wrong with him owning the eroge, other than it being an unproductive and socially unpopular hobby. This is why their argument ends with Kyousuke getting punched over owning an eroge. He did not proclaim himself as a fan of anime or being an otaku in general. 4.) The VN-like option is just visual evidence of Kirino's eroge influencing Kyousuke more and more as the story progresses. In the laters novel, he makes more comparisons to visual novels. Lastly, I would stick to asserting claims based on the series at hand and refrain from making ad hominem statements like calling others "learn-resistant." Ungrounded statements like that make it difficult to take the person seriously in any argument. |
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2010-11-05, 18:52 | Link #102 | |
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The claim is totally wrong because anime and eroge have no bad influence whatsoever on Kirino - she's great at school, a good athlete etc. Spoiler for rest of reply:
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2010-11-06, 01:28 | Link #105 | ||
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The problem is that someone refuse to acknowledge that the father agreed on the non-Eroge part of Kyosuke's argument despise it being show on the anime. (which is incredibly weird if you ask me..) Quote:
I didn't think anyone is disagree with those other than that Kyosuke is only 17 and not an adult (unless he was married, you're a legal adult if you are married before age of 18 and depend on area you are free to have sex as young as 13.) But as Hameji said , that not really what the argument was for. The issue here is that the same people are making argument basing that ACG=Eroge=R-18=illegal=bad which is completely not true and claim that the father ignorantly shift ALL BLAMES [not partial, R-18 only] to Kyosuke and still believe Kirino is not into ACG which is not true at all. All the while refuse to take in any factual evidence.
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2010-11-07, 19:37 | Link #106 |
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I don't like Kirino much, her ways of thinking and treating people is completly off. She wants to be friends with Ayase who seriously doesn't care about real her, and is avoiding people who actually do care.
She really should re-think things and make new list of priorities. So far she didn't deserve to have such understanding people (brother, Kuroneku, Saori) around her.
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2010-11-07, 19:47 | Link #107 |
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I hate to ask this but isn't little bit odd for female otaku like Kirino indulges herself on something that more for men, like the eroge she played. No I'm not generalizing how male and female otakus should look like but I don't think someone like her exist in real-life, I mean real-life female otakus I have seen so far are more interested in fujioshi, bishounen and yaoi stuffs.
I also think the author of light novel maybe hates such otakus and made a male otaku that trapped inside in a body of a 14-years old girl. |
2010-11-07, 20:14 | Link #108 | |
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That's the whole point. The series has realistic themes, but is in no way a commentary on reality. At heart it's basically a light romantic comedy; if you ignore the whole "sibling" thing then you realise that it's playing out rather typically (tsundere girl discovers true meaning of friendship, finds herself, et al and on..)
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2010-11-07, 23:48 | Link #109 |
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Kirino has a very compartmentalized life, and this is probably fairly common for people with a wide and varied set of interests and/or talents. Each "compartment" of her life does indeed reflect part of who she is, and in fact each "compartment" probably stands for a part of herself.
This I can relate to. When I was in high school, I was in a few different social circles. One was student politics, another was something akin to an otaku group (friends who I shared particular 'nerd' interests with), and another was long-standing friendships with people who held more traditional interests, shall we say. These social circles were fairly distinctive from one another, and there were different sides of myself that kind of naturally came out when I was amongst each such circle. As a teenager, I wouldn't want to sacrifice either of these social circles, as they each reflected part of who I am. So, in this respect, I can understand why Kirino wants to hold on to her long-standing friendships, even if her entertainment interests are far different from theirs.
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2010-11-08, 02:27 | Link #110 |
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I think this harks back to the age old question "who are we really?" because as Triple_R has pointed out we all behave differently around different people. For example, the "me" around my friends is very different to the "me" around my parents, teachers, myself (lol) etc. Yet they all make up who I am.
Kirino has the part of her which enjoys anime/manga/eroge/otaku culture, and the her which is the stereotypical cool perfect student; the problem for her is that she thinks these two are mutually exclusive and cannot fathom bringing them together. For this reason she tries to hide her hobbies from her school friends, and attempts to ditch her fancy fashionable persona when around Saori and co. Only later developments will show if she can somehow reconcile the two. And I'm sure I'm not the only one here when I say I'm rooting for a Kirino ending :P
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2010-11-08, 03:40 | Link #111 | |
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2010-11-08, 05:07 | Link #112 | |
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And I have to disagree with you, Seitsuki. This show to me seems very much a commentary on social reality. I mean, it's actively bringing up issues such as how society wrongly perceives otaku, society's bias and prejudice, and social development. Kirino is mostly the focus, and we're seeing her development through the impartial Kyousuke's eyes. One of the underlying themes of the show is how people act counter to expectations, and the entire social commentary vibe is I think one of the best aspects of the show. |
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2010-11-08, 05:26 | Link #113 | ||
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On the other point, I don't believe it to be commentary simply for the fact that it is portraying reality. The situation IRL is (sortta) the situation depicted in the series, but what makes this simply the setting rather than commentary imo is that nothing much comes from it- sure Kirino has to fight with her otaku side and try to keep both sides but I believe this is character development for her rather than some more generalised depiction of the real world situation facing people. Quote:
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2010-11-08, 06:17 | Link #114 | |
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2010-11-08, 13:18 | Link #115 |
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I have a personal theory regarding Kirino and some of her behaviour. Going by what she said in episode 5 (I also seem to recall a breif flashback in the manga hinting at this but I don't remember what chapter) I think her and Kyousuke had a closer relationship when they were kids and she probably adored her big brother at some point. However we know how often Kyousuke spent/spends time with Manami, meaning he constantly left Kirino alone. This could result in Kirino becoming bitter towards him, and explains their drifting apart and her fundamental dislike of Manami despite (by Kirino's own admission) not knowing much about her.
Kirino's love of little sisters could stem from her desire to compensate for this. She adores and dotes on little sisters, giving them what she didn't get and feels is the 'proper' way big brothers are supposed to act. Of course things get more complicated when you add in the whole having sex with them thing, but Kirino doesn't seem that focused on the porn part of it. Even so, sex in eroge is often portrayed as the ultimate expression of love but Kirino knows full well such a thing shouldn't be applied to reality. Unlike most I don't foresee an incest ending. I think those going on about how Kirino is in love with Kyousuke are reading into things perhaps a bit too much. I think she's just rediscovering her love for him as a sibling and is happy he's giving her so much attention now but she's still mad at him for what he did before, resulting in her tsundereness.
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2010-11-08, 14:15 | Link #116 | |
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2010-11-09, 09:48 | Link #117 | |
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just like how one of my straight male friends loves reading yaoi~ :P
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2010-11-09, 17:01 | Link #118 | |
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Perhaps he's not as straight as you think he is
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2010-11-09, 19:12 | Link #119 |
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Kirino seemed a bit too clingy to Kyousuke in episode 6 (there was no physical contact shown between them of course, but her reactions every time she had screen time) She might even think that Kyousuke is going back to his old ways of visiting Minami over, and over again, since one visit can lead to future loops. Or that is what Kirino will think, or that Kyousuke will get too friendly with Minami, and that will get Kirino to be jealous over the fact she is going to lose her big brother to his childhood friend. So he might pull something on us
00-Raiser, you were thinking exactly what I was thinking. Kyousuke might have visited Minami alot when they were little, leaving Kirino to be all alone in the house. Possibly! Kirino might pull something to make sure this does not happen again.
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2010-11-09, 19:51 | Link #120 | |
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I mean, seriously. Her "best friend" Ayase goes all bunny boiler batsh*t insane after finding out Kirino's an otaku and drops her like a hot potato. Compare and contrast this with Saori calling her house so that she and Kuroneko could find out how she was doing in spite of the object of the concern having publicly denied knowing "weirdos" like them. If anything, I would've loved to have had the scene in the park end with Kirono bitchslapping Ayase for being so judgemental and then called up Saori and Kuroneko to apologize. |
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