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FRS · 2012-02-02, 10:11

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Originally Posted by totoum

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Though since it seems Madoka got a bit of a cold reception on the blogosphere I doubt it'll get a french licence anytime soon.

If true that's a dam shame.

sa547 · 2012-02-02, 11:41

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Originally Posted by totoum

Oh yeah,that's the first review,I thought you were talking about the second one.

First review was based on the first episode,even said so in my post.

Can you try to take a shot of translating that questionable portion (the scan)?

(Speaking of Animeland, I have a rough-quality scan of their older review of Maria-sama ga Miteru, and I think they spoke favorably of that show, not just because Marimite uses some French words.)

OBTW, ANN went about reviewing BD Volume 1:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/revi...-madoka-magica

**Klashikari** · 2012-02-02, 12:01

The scan goes like this in English:

Spoiler for partial scan of Animeland review translated:

Unless someone correct me, that's pretty much the translation of the scan, and yes: it doesn't look exactly structured or pertinent, and even in French, that part is onoxious to "compute" (the writing style in French is always annoying as throwing several points one after another as successive sentences is considered fine for some reason, even when the connection between the sentences are next to null.

The article itself hardly sounds anything pertinent anyway and the way how the author "justified" himself on their forums is enough to have an idea that he doesn't know jack of what he is talking about.

That said, I don't think french blogosphère was really unaffected by Madoka, considering a good deal did enjoyed it.

sa547 · 2012-02-02, 12:22

Thanks for the translation. It behooves me that the AL writer-critic tries to bring up and unfairly compare Madoka with an older show that's obscure to all but known only to older fans (above 40) or the self-proclaimed hardcore (I've seen too many of those snooty types down at MAL, especially those with insanely huge "I have watched this-and-that" lists that proclaim the size of their e-peen).

Triple_R · 2012-02-02, 13:04

Part of the reason why Madoka Magica sometimes gets compared to much older magical girl shows is that people don't always have a good handle on what precisely it is that makes Madoka Magica distinct and original.

A lot of people go "Oh wow, a magical girl show with a darker tone!" when it comes to Madoka Magica. Well, honestly, such a comment really does do a bit of a disservice to the magical girl genre. There have been magical girl anime shows of a generally dark tone prior to Madoka Magica. Heck, even the final season of Sailor Moon was plenty dark.

What makes Madoka Magica distinct/original isn't simply that it has a darker atmosphere or tone, it's how it achieves that tone.

It's not that it's hard or lonely to be a Puella Magi (it generally is, but that's not the main thing). It's not that lives are lost in battling mysterious enemies. Other magical girl shows have had similar elements. It's that:

1) The magical girl system itself is the problem. It's a horrific ponzi scheme of sorts that's self-sustaining and causes the very same problems (witches, familiars) that magical girls are recruited to combat.

2) The magical girl familiar isn't a being with the magical girl's best interests at heart. He's an exploitative pied piper of sorts who knowingly leads girls down a pathway of doom and self-destruction. While some magical girl familiars can be harsh taskmasters, none (before Kyubey) were akin to loan sharks that use your very life as collateral.

I haven't seen all magical girl shows, but from what I have seen, these two elements really are original to Madoka Magica.

totoum · 2012-02-02, 17:45

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Originally Posted by Klashikari

That said, I don't think french blogosphère was really unaffected by Madoka, considering a good deal did enjoyed it.

Well maybe I just looked in the wrong places. I definatly hope so.

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The article itself hardly sounds anything pertinent anyway and the way how the author "justified" himself on their forums is enough to have an idea that he doesn't know jack of what he is talking about.

And that's a mystery to me, Steve Naumann's been working there for years,since the 90s even I think.
Maybe he's just a hipster,could be why he finds Fractale to be Yakaman's underated masterpiece.

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Completely unrelated , here's the review at THEM anime reviews

I've always been intrigued by this quote:

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s it a classic? No. Are people going to shamelessly copy it over the next several years and completely miss the point? Oh, absolutely.

Doesn't people shamelessly copying it over the next several years make it a classic?

zato_1one · 2012-02-02, 18:58

Hmm, I don't know who Zac is. But I'm surprised that such thread was created. Does review from someone really matter that much? By the way, I'm LOL at that French review. I'm pretty sure he/she didn't actually watch it but just reading some random opinion from bloggers/posters. If changing rule of the universe is nothing then I don't know anymore which is important.

bhl88 · 2012-02-03, 10:16

The one at ANN was "nothing happened at the past 7-8 episodes" (I mean a poster)

Sackett · 2012-02-03, 21:56

The French one almost sounds like he was watching a show without subs and thus completely missed the Magical Girls == witch formula and thought it was just a darker version of typical Magical Girl shows, hence the comparison to older shows.

totoum · 2012-02-16, 04:58

Madoka Magica just won 3 Tokyo anime Fair awards: Best TV show,Best director,Best screenplay

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...me-fair-awards

DragoZERO · 2012-02-16, 15:13

A little noteworthy... Madoka is being streamed on Crunchyroll, Crackle AND Hulu. Plenty of exposure here.

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Originally Posted by sa547

OBTW, ANN went about reviewing BD Volume 1:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/revi...-madoka-magica

It's a surprisingly good review considering it's from ANN. So many times they look for the bad. I've read some horrid reviews on there.... if the reviewer didn't like the first two volumes you can be sure they'll bash it past ten.

Shinji01 · 2012-03-09, 23:20

I came across a fan created Magica x Evangelion story.
i think that alone proves that Magica has been accepted by the Eva fans, which are pretty hard to convince.
Had a good laugh reading it too... Gendo was QB.

sa547 · 2012-03-12, 22:42

http://www.japanator.com/japanator-r...ca-22421.phtml
To the commenter there: haven't seen AnoHana yet, but it ain't right making comparisons as far as life lessons are concerned... and when did the last time a show actually left a mark on a viewer's psyche?

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Originally Posted by Shinji01

I came across a fan created Magica x Evangelion story.
i think that alone proves that Magica has been accepted by the Eva fans, which are pretty hard to convince.
Had a good laugh reading it too... Gendo was QB.

I'm working on a crossover (but still on-hold due to IRL issues): Angels and Witches.

totoum · 2012-03-13, 05:26

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Originally Posted by sa547

http://www.japanator.com/japanator-r...ca-22421.phtml

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but they’ve limited the possible exposure of the show by pricing the discs so high. If they want the greatest possible exposure for their titles, then they need to re-think their pricing schemes.

Or they could just make it available on streaming services like crunchyroll like they have...

DragoZERO · 2012-03-13, 11:00

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Originally Posted by sa547

http://www.japanator.com/japanator-r...ca-22421.phtml

Good link and good review. They should have mentioned that even though the MSRP is high, you won't pay that price. I do agree it is a lot, but I like the LE and as long as they do a complete collection with no extras at a lower price in the future, it's fine.

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Originally Posted by totoum

Or they could just make it available on streaming services like crunchyroll like they have...

What do you mean? Madoka is on Hulu, Crackle and other streaming sites.

totoum · 2012-03-13, 12:21

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

What do you mean? Madoka is on Hulu, Crackle and other streaming sites.

Didn't make myself clear,what I meant is that while the prices are high it's not limiting to the exposure of the show since Madoka is available on streaming sites

ThereminVox · 2012-09-02, 19:22

JesuOtaku has a pretty well-crafted video review up here. It does a decent job of reviewing without overt spoilers.

Diveman · 2012-09-02, 20:56

This is also something i've been wondering. What's Animesuki's community opinion on Kazumi Magica? I see very few people actually posting in that thread so I was wondering if it was because some of you don't like that series.

Jimmy C · 2012-09-03, 04:05

Until I get to read new chapters in English, I have nothing to say on Kazumi. I might not be alone.

KoiYuki · 2012-09-03, 06:51

I didn't care for Kazumi at first, but I ended up liking it more as it went on.. I just can't say much about it, though I do read the thread.

2012-02-02, 12:01	Link #23
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	The scan goes like this in English: Spoiler for partial scan of Animeland review translated: [...]wearing a cute costume and singing a magical formula with a colored staff. One must fight witches, untouchable enemies which are origins of accidents and suicides. Facing destiny with one own life at stake is the very definition of a hero, but it has also another meaning: bidding farewell to one's family and friends as justice doesn't allow love from their entourage. The whole serie will dwells in Madoka's thoughts over this decision. In other words, nothing much happens during these twelve episodes. But the issue is completely different: this "magical girl" study is nothing close to original. Meg, the witch (*Majokko Megu-chan)* also raised such questions about the loneliness of a heroine back in an eponymous series on 1974. Lately, Nanoha from the same [...] (most likely implying: from the same realisator) Unless someone correct me, that's pretty much the translation of the scan, and yes: it doesn't look exactly structured or pertinent, and even in French, that part is onoxious to "compute" (the writing style in French is always annoying as throwing several points one after another as successive sentences is considered fine for some reason, even when the connection between the sentences are next to null. The article itself hardly sounds anything pertinent anyway and the way how the author "justified" himself on their forums is enough to have an idea that he doesn't know jack of what he is talking about. That said, I don't think french blogosphère was really unaffected by Madoka, considering a good deal did enjoyed it. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter] Last edited by Klashikari; 2012-02-02 at 12:19.

2012-02-02, 12:22	Link #24
sa547 Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 47	Thanks for the translation. It behooves me that the AL writer-critic tries to bring up and unfairly compare Madoka with an older show that's obscure to all but known only to older fans (above 40) or the self-proclaimed hardcore (I've seen too many of those snooty types down at MAL, especially those with insanely huge "I have watched this-and-that" lists that proclaim the size of their e-peen). __________________

2012-02-02, 13:04	Link #25
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	Part of the reason why Madoka Magica sometimes gets compared to much older magical girl shows is that people don't always have a good handle on what precisely it is that makes Madoka Magica distinct and original. A lot of people go "Oh wow, a magical girl show with a darker tone!" when it comes to Madoka Magica. Well, honestly, such a comment really does do a bit of a disservice to the magical girl genre. There have been magical girl anime shows of a generally dark tone prior to Madoka Magica. Heck, even the final season of Sailor Moon was plenty dark. What makes Madoka Magica distinct/original isn't simply that it has a darker atmosphere or tone, it's how it achieves that tone. It's not that it's hard or lonely to be a Puella Magi (it generally is, but that's not the main thing). It's not that lives are lost in battling mysterious enemies. Other magical girl shows have had similar elements. It's that: 1) The magical girl system itself is the problem. It's a horrific ponzi scheme of sorts that's self-sustaining and causes the very same problems (witches, familiars) that magical girls are recruited to combat. 2) The magical girl familiar isn't a being with the magical girl's best interests at heart. He's an exploitative pied piper of sorts who knowingly leads girls down a pathway of doom and self-destruction. While some magical girl familiars can be harsh taskmasters, none (before Kyubey) were akin to loan sharks that use your very life as collateral. I haven't seen all magical girl shows, but from what I have seen, these two elements really are original to Madoka Magica. __________________

2012-02-02, 18:58	Link #27
zato_1one Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Hmm, I don't know who Zac is. But I'm surprised that such thread was created. Does review from someone really matter that much? By the way, I'm LOL at that French review. I'm pretty sure he/she didn't actually watch it but just reading some random opinion from bloggers/posters. If changing rule of the universe is nothing then I don't know anymore which is important. __________________

2012-02-03, 10:16	Link #28
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	The one at ANN was "nothing happened at the past 7-8 episodes" (I mean a poster) __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-02-03, 21:56	Link #29
Sackett Cross Game - I need more Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma Age: 44	The French one almost sounds like he was watching a show without subs and thus completely missed the Magical Girls == witch formula and thought it was just a darker version of typical Magical Girl shows, hence the comparison to older shows. __________________ Cross Game - A Story of Love, Life, Death - and Baseball. What more could you want?

2012-02-16, 04:58	Link #30
totoum Me at work Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 36	Madoka Magica just won 3 Tokyo anime Fair awards: Best TV show,Best director,Best screenplay http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...me-fair-awards __________________

2012-03-09, 23:20	Link #32
Shinji01 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Half Australia, Half Tokyo, Bits and pieces in US	I came across a fan created Magica x Evangelion story. i think that alone proves that Magica has been accepted by the Eva fans, which are pretty hard to convince. Had a good laugh reading it too... Gendo was QB.

2012-09-02, 19:22	Link #37
ThereminVox Guess what time it is? Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Age: 38	JesuOtaku has a pretty well-crafted video review up here. It does a decent job of reviewing without overt spoilers.

2012-09-02, 20:56	Link #38
Diveman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011	This is also something i've been wondering. What's Animesuki's community opinion on Kazumi Magica? I see very few people actually posting in that thread so I was wondering if it was because some of you don't like that series.

2012-09-03, 04:05	Link #39
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Until I get to read new chapters in English, I have nothing to say on Kazumi. I might not be alone.

2012-09-03, 06:51	Link #40
KoiYuki Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Age: 32	I didn't care for Kazumi at first, but I ended up liking it more as it went on.. I just can't say much about it, though I do read the thread.