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2012-10-13, 23:25 | Link #20284 | |
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Not necessarily providing the magic directly. |
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2012-10-13, 23:29 | Link #20285 |
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Well that condition would still at the very least, have to be enough magic to forge Gungnir...Even if it involves screwing with the laws of the world at large to allow that then wouldn't that mean everything is subset of Holism theory?
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2012-10-14, 00:20 | Link #20286 |
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Again not necessarily.
Let's make a hypothetical scenario here. Say, to forge Gungir you need 100 mana, and human can generate up to 70. To correct this, have a Holism Esper reduce the threshold of the entire universe as a whole, and make the rmana requirement to 70 too. In doing this, Holism Esper successfully fulfilled the requirement without doing anything that is directly magical. |
2012-10-14, 00:26 | Link #20287 |
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I see....
I wonder why Othinius doesn't try to make herself a Holistic Esper too...Majin, god and now Holistic Esper.... Or perhaps that's what she intends for Fraulein Kroitne.... Perhaps with Gungnir at full power she's far stronger than any Holistic Esper...
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2012-10-14, 03:06 | Link #20290 |
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Assuming Othinus has the Gungir and Fiamma has a completed Holy Right. It'll be a tie, their powers perfectly cancels on another out. You can't out cheat one another when you have equally effective cheat code.
Aiwass, well it really depends on thick is the rule that nothing before the Horus Aeon can possibly hurt it. |
2012-10-14, 03:30 | Link #20291 |
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Completed Holy Right...properly refined with correct format is Horusian no? Yet completed Holy Right, albeit with oudated format could not overpower the thing inside Touma...
Could Othinius be gunning for Aeonic shift too....Gungnir is very definitely Osirian
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2012-10-14, 03:58 | Link #20292 |
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Fiamma can't be helped. That is as far as he can go without the full understanding of his own power.
From the nature of Norse mytho, Othinus would belong to Isis Aeon. But her methodology is way ahead of that. Hard to tell which Aeon's ideology she truly follows. |
2012-10-14, 05:01 | Link #20293 |
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Isis? I thought it was Osirian with Odin being god of the dead as lord of the Einherjar and his symbolical rebirth after gaining wisdom?
Othinius own method border on Horusian though...It's certainly more advanced than anything except maybe Aleister's own projects. That's why she could theoretically be gunning for Aeonic shift....but then, what would be her Right Hand? IB is an obstacle to her anyway...
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2012-10-14, 07:44 | Link #20295 |
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No....Ollerus says in NT 5 that IB itself is incompatible with Othinius' ideas.
As the counter to the horror of the Majin, it fixes the distortions to the world wrought by the Majin. It counters the Majin's world where powers and distortions run dangerously rampant. "Faster to use Imagine Breaker?" No....IB is utter anathema to Othinius. If she wants an Aeonic shift, she has to use something else as a blueprint, be it Gungnir, Holism or another Right power. The law of IB....Is completely at odds with the law of the Majin. Remember...Fiamma himself did not want the IB....he just wanted the right arm of Touma to house the Holy Right. It was his own law all the while that he was planning to impose on the world, not IB's
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But yet that's what he said just one volume ago, I've literally copied and pasted the text.
The way I see it, what Othnius might want with Imagine Breaker is to limit the nature of her Magic God's 50:50 in her favor, at least that's what it sounds like from what Ollerus/Fiamma was talking about. And last I've checked, the law of IB is also at odds with Crowley's AIM world so clearly there's more to it... Then Again, it sounds like it's a 'what if' speculations, but if she needs a Special Right Hand...
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2012-10-14, 08:05 | Link #20297 |
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IB is not the Right Hand....Right Hand = basis of the Aeonic Shift
That's what I meant...what blueprint would Othinius use for her law if she were to attempt Aeonic shift. IB is just one of the possible basis...the other so far being Holy Right. Touma did consider the limiting of the 50:50 thing and in response Ollerus told him to worry not followed by the above. Because Touma was worried that someone wants his hand again... It's not that Othinius may have some use for IB....Rather it's against everything she stands for and would rather utterly crush it as soon as possible. As for Aleister....well....he's even more inscrutable than Othinius. I doubt even Ollerus knows what he plans....There's good reason why he's the last boss after all...
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imagine breaker is a huge reset button, returning things to the way it is before change, basicaly the "factory default state"....
but what othinus want most likely to perform "aeonic shift" from current osirian to horusian, if we could put into analogy is OS upgrade to a new version, even though a tweaked one where she will be a being equal to god in the new aeon unfortunately before that could be done, she must take care of imagine breaker because if not, the IB could destroy her plan before or during the "upgrade" took place... i believe aleister is wary of imagine breaker would ruin his plan, even though why he does not eliminate touma most likely because he need the thing that IB seal...and to watch imagine breaker user easily it easier to keep it close... |
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And the same like that tool was used as an infinite energy supply, maybe Aleister plan to use that thing inside Touma as an energy supply too. Something along the lines : If there isn't enough energy in the world even for Gungnir, where will Aleister take all the energy necessary for his plan? |
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