2009-06-14, 21:33 | Link #1342 |
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At minimal she got glomped by an alien at worst she got raped by one, what did you think?
btw sorry for this next part is prolly gonna be off topic(or on topic, I don't even know anymore) but what were the guns from the vf-25's firing? It looked like laser/beams but in episode 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOAzlxjOpd8 (like, at the very beginning) shell-looking things were shooting out of the gun. |
2009-06-14, 22:07 | Link #1344 |
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I would recommend to take a look at this website http://macross.anime.net/wiki/VF-25_Messiah...it's very detailed tho I have no idea why it is so detailed (maybe they make it up a little bit?? I don't know lol) As for the gun, I would think VF-25's gun pods are firing solid round in the beginning, and they either upgrade the bullet or upgrade the gun to the energy gun similar to VF-27 in the middle of the series..hope some experts could answer this question in a more professional way
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However, Zent weapons are almost exclusively energy-based. - Tak
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Solid shell gatlings have remained the mainstay of the UN Spacy's valkyries for one key reasons: Rate of Fire. Simply, KE gatlings have a higher rate of fire than enegry guns; while the VF-27's beam rifle has a rather respectable rate of fire for an energy weapon, the VF-25 still outstrips it in one crucial way: each glowing shot fired by a VF-25 is a tracer shell. With the assumption that the VF-25 uses the standard US mix of 1:4 (1 tracer for every 4 live shells), the VF-25 is thus putting out a higher rate of fire compared to the Quead-Rea or the VF-27. (The figures become much worse if one recalls that Kawamori is a great Tomcat fan, and that Cold War tomcats used mixes of 1:7.)
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2009-07-14, 23:15 | Link #1350 | |
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Maybe the quantumisation looks similar to warping, but I bet it's more like the "conventional" way of teleport and not warping( instant change of place or non 3D travel). I may change my statement if they reveal some of the technology behind the fold drive. |
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2009-07-14, 23:22 | Link #1351 |
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You are arguing a different thing entirely. We are not talking about GN technology on powering engines, we were actually talking about how GN particles can affect someone's psychology, which in a way is very similar to the result of manipulating fold quartz.
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2009-07-15, 00:34 | Link #1352 |
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The fold quartz is no other thing than fold amplifier.Except some rare individuals the fold quartz can only link people with the use of cybernetic implants. While the QBW reading is an ability and the high conteration of purified GNP can produce similar effects. But the thing I spoke of was about the Gundam vs Macross tech. I mean the GN tech is something I think the technology of the age of Macross Frointier can't reproduce currently.
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2009-07-15, 07:42 | Link #1353 |
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Bobby described the potentials of fold quartz in one episode, stating that it has the ability to read the minds of every individual, and link them into one consciousness like the Vajra. Except for the humans, there will be one dominating consciousness, effectively rendering that individual (in this case, Grace) as a god amongst men. This is actually quite similar to the concept of GN particles.
Of course, being able to fold freely in space is an added bonus. On the other hand, Macross technology has no need for GN particles because the latter does not amount to much. It does not assist in braving fold disruption nor does it help to boost the fold engines of what humanity currently possess. All in all, while it may be useful in Gundam, its probably utterly worthless in Macross. - Tak
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2009-07-15, 12:16 | Link #1354 |
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I think he meant the implants amplified with fold quartzs. Maybe I have to rewatch ep 24 then. According to my knownledge the fold quartz is only effective as though trasmitting material if it used as an amplifier in a special cybernetic implant or if it's used by a "vajra-mediator"(Ranka, Sheryl). In the later case the singer must have some kind of emotional connection to the other she's trasmitting the "message". The cybernetic implants could work in two probable ways. It may mimic the ability of the "vajra-mediators" in a more reliable way(but I doubt it because all of the fairy projects were faliures). The second way is a much more "simple". The implant actually transforms the nerve impulses to data and send it. In that case the fold quartz only works to make the transfer of data from the sender to the reciever instant.
Anyway I think GNP works in a different way. Both has it's advantages and disadvantages. And I think the GNP actually has a relatively good use for the macross-era: Stealth. GN particles can disturb the electromagnetic weaves(light, radar, microweave, infrared etc...) thus render any kind of(even visual) detection much harder or impossible. Not to mention that the GN thursters maybe much more realible and may faster then the thermonuclear ones and the (true) GN drives have a relatively cheap maintance cost(and may never run out of fuel or power). Probably the GN beam weapons are more realible and even cheaper than the regular ones after the technology is well-developed(because the Federation's special Tierens use them instead of the regular ones) And the GN-enchanced armour probably has a better protection than the energy-converting armour(especially if the power supply is not an issue) Anyways it would be hillarious if we actually see a Gundam 00/macross crossover mech. *imagines Kyrios's gerwalk mode* I think I have to correct something: REALLY hillarious. EDIT: Thank you, 4Tran for moving the posts into the right topic. Last edited by willyvereb; 2009-07-15 at 14:02. |
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It really shouldn't be a surprise though as the scale and scope of the two shows is vastly different. For Gundam 00, a force of 100 mobile suits and their support vessels constitute the majority of a vast and powerful military force. In SDF Macross, Boldolze's 4,000,000-strong fleet would have been a million times larger. The pinnacle of engineering in Gundam 00 is the solar ring and power system. The pinnacle in Macross is a ship a third the size of the Moon. The NUN would have scoffed at the idea of having to build such a ring in the first place. In 2312 CE, human expansion has reached Jupiter, and a trip from the Earth to there would take months, if not a year. Such a trip would obviously require a specialized vessel. As of Macross 2059 CE, humanity has traveled over one-third of the way to the center of the galaxy, and trips of a dozen light-years are considered relatively trivial, taking only a few minutes under most circumstances. This can be done with fold drives that can be attached to any fighter/ship large enough to carry a passenger. Gundam 00 (and all Gundam shows really) are meant to use a scale that's intuitive to understand, and where individual actions make all the difference and where time is usually measured in decades. Hence its technologies and capabilities are relatively modest. Macross, on the other hand, is supposed to have an extremely large scope; so big that one show can only touch on a small portion of the whole, where vast fleets, vast empires, and vast amounts of time are the units of measure. If you want to represent the two universes consistently with the way they're portrayed, then it can't be anything but an extremely one-sided crossover.
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Well, 4tran beat me to it. He pretty much answered all the questions already.
On the other hand, it must be noted that even humanity in Macross constitute only a minor dent to the affairs of the galaxy. Its enemies (and there are many) still hold a vast, but unexplored (by humanity) portions of the galaxy. The first enemies encountered by humanity were the Zentradi, and although the first fleet was scattered (but not completely beaten), there are still 2,000 such fleets lurking around the galaxy. Had the Zents not been busy pursuing their more dreaded enemies, humanity would have been crushed, easily. After all, while humanity have achieved in building colonies 1/3 the size of the moon, they are still facing enemies who can construct battle-stations the size of a friggin planet. But at the end, this is a contest between apples & oranges, really. - Tak (On the other hand, if you want a crossover, there is always Super Robot Wars)
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Well, the Gundam franchises have some areas where they have the upper hand, but generally you're right.
The only think I don't like about Macross technology is the lack of explanation of the technologies itselves like the fold drive, pinpoint barrier, plasma weapons, energy-converting armor, thermonuclear reactor and even the reaction weaponry. Perhaps the Macross franchise has a greatly detailed info about the Valkyres' abilities and designs, but it's somewhat funny we have no clue how they manage to move them for example(I don't know how they move the VF frames because using just the old hydraulics won't do it that fast and precisely). I know that the reason why Gundam shows has so detailed information about those fictional technologies dates back to the days of old Gundam fandom, but still I miss it somehow. |
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Old Gundam might have done it back in the 70s heyday, but it does less and less now to the point where a detailed explanation is a lost art. By the time of SEED, there were very little of such explanation left to pass around. On the other hand, when people are familiar with a technology long enough, do we need explanations? When you drive a car, use the microwave, or browse the internet... etc. how often do you ask how these things work? No, because we have taken these technologies for granted. And quite frankly, I find in-verse explanations of technologies kind of silly sometimes, because it would seem as if the people using them just barely discovered their capabilities. - Tak
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2009-07-15, 17:09 | Link #1359 |
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Yeah, like I think there's twice as much applications of GN technology as the show uses.
Maybe the minovsky thery is somehow different(but it had more than 30 years to perfect itself). Explaining the new technology's grounds in detail makes it seem plausible and not just simply magical. It's similar if we compare Zeta transformations with macross plus transformations. The difference is the detail. For example I am curious about the mechanics of the pinpoint barrier's force field. Or about the Energy-converting armor(is it similar to the charged armor? or something else?). If it done well it helps to make the story and all more believable(in a technological way). |
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