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Old 2018-05-05, 01:52   Link #1381
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Note that they are still small relative to the Gamilas ships of similar types.
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Old 2018-05-05, 03:30   Link #1382
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We.ve Seen the Hood and the Koenigsberg class ships. yet the Gearing class Destroyers and the Airone Class Frigate been didnt appear on the Remake. in the Season 2 Tv Series the Gearing Class Destroyers been appeared. while the Airone Class Frigate didnt have a screentime https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NeDhY2MaX...00/edfsff1.jpg
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Old 2018-05-05, 03:39   Link #1383
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We.ve Seen the Hood and the Koenigsberg class ships. yet the Gearing class Destroyers and the Airone Class Frigate been didnt appear on the Remake. in the Season 2 Tv Series the Gearing Class Destroyers been appeared. while the Airone Class Frigate didnt have a screentime https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NeDhY2MaX...00/edfsff1.jpg
Uh, you've got things mixed up.

We've seen the patrol cruiser and the frigate. Both of them are featured in the trailer, but here's the pictures from Kobayashi's Twitter:
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What we haven't seen are the battlecruiser and the destroyer.
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Old 2018-05-05, 03:39   Link #1384
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We've seen the Konigsberg and Airone style ships. (the patrol cruiser and frigate). We have not seen a Hood type (battlecruiser) or the Gearing type (destroyer). Those rolls might be filled by the older model ships. The Geraing type, unfortunately or fortunately...depending on point of view, doesn't make sense in the current Wave Motion Gun Fleet approach to the Earth Fleet. The Gearing style brought very little to the table that the Airone type doesn't have, plus the Airone type might be fitted with a wave motion gun this time around, making it far deadlier than the original concept.

The Hood-type might fit in someplace, but the Kongo type battleships fill that roll rather well. And the Hood type's side mounted triple turret never seemed to fit to me. All these twin mounts, than suddenly triples. Now if they made a newer version with al twins or all triples, I'd buy the concept. Also it make it look even more dangerous than the patrol cruiser and frigate types that it already looks nearly identical.
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Old 2018-05-05, 04:22   Link #1385
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Even a Lexington Class Battlecarriers didnt made it in the Remake or possibly they.ve have a Dreadnought Variant of the Original Series Battlecarrier been carrying Red Cosmo Electra Torpedo Bombers been appeared on Season 2 Tv Series when they.ve attacked the Comet Empire Carriers in the Battle of Saturn.
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Old 2018-05-05, 04:50   Link #1386
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Lexingtons are unlikely given the two Apollo Norm hulls in the fleet and the relatively small size of the Dreadnoughts compared to the Andromeda types (even though this series Dreadnought is basically the same size as the original's Borodino type).

They could surprise us, but the Lexington type was the makeshift carrier to go with Yamato in their carrier battle ambush. The Torpedo bomber of the old series seem to have been rolled up into the Attack Bombers for Yamato 2202, as the newer version has characteristics of both (the slightly different nose cone, less guns, three seats, large torpedoes). There might be a variation, but we won't find out until near the end of the month.

Unless of course their is a backup plan. The majority of the Earth fleet will probably be destroyed by the end of Episode 18. But with eight episodes left, I somehow imagine Yamato and her crew will rally a smaller "better" rag-tag fleet to fight one more major battle. That group might get hastily converted Dreadnoughts with carrier parts to be this version's Lexingtons, and a rapid build torpedo bomber with only two seats. We don't know yet.
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Old 2018-05-05, 05:30   Link #1387
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imagine in post Comet Empire War had another movie much like the Odyssey of the Celestial Ark when it focus on Earth Gamilon and the Comet Empire Perspective and been the start of the Debut of the Dark Nebula Empire.
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Old 2018-05-05, 06:30   Link #1388
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Erm by the looks of the trailers. The patrol frigate or cruiser only have Bow shock cannons not wave motion guns!
Remember this?
https://forums.animesuki.com/showthr...39#post6226539
Those beams are rather slow for a wave motion beam!
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Old 2018-05-05, 14:00   Link #1389
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We aren't sure about that due to the sound effect being used for them in the trailer being the wave motion guns sounds.

But it will be fun to find out. If they are wave motion guns, I'll need to either fit out the frigates with the same gun as the patrol cruiser and Kongos, or fit the frigate with an even smaller wave motion gun, that is still more powerful than a heavy shock cannon, but not much more. And then figure out if the Kongo has the same weapon as the patrol cruiser, of if its bow weapon is more like the frigate due to either retrofit or available power (older design using a smaller power plant compared to the cruisers?)
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Old 2018-05-06, 04:45   Link #1390
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Did the Old Kongou Class Space Battleships had used that wave cannon in the First Battle of Mars when Earth and Gamilons been faced off. and Earth Fleet got won but in the Battle of Pluto the Kirishima didnt used that wave cannon due to slow rate of fire and charge time. how plausible.
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Old 2018-05-06, 05:51   Link #1391
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The older Kongo class had bow mounted shock cannons. The story suggests that they used these to stop the Gamilas at Mars. Remember that Kirishima and her like don't have wave motion engines prior to 2200. The engine they do use are used on Yamato...as the auxiliary engines (Yamato has two power plants from Kongo-class battleships as well as her own wave motion engine). These two power plants can be used to power the ship's shock cannons, which are each as powerful or more powerful than Kirishima's bow shock cannon. But for a limited amount of shots if the wave motion engine is offline (as seen when the ship was forced to crash land on the Floating Continent around Jupiter.) Meaning one power plant in a Kongo hull will not be able to fire its bow cannon all that often.

The newer 2201 built Kongo-class ships have wave motion engines and their main batteries are now shock cannons that are probably about as powerful, if not as long ranged, as Yamato's original main battery weapons. The description given at the start of Yamato 2202 was that the ships like Yuunagi had their bow cannon's diameter increased to match Yamato's main battery size, implying a larger output than the earlier weapons. But it was still reported to be a shock cannon.

We have never seen one of these ships fire said bow shock cannon. However in the first battle of Yamato 2202, Kodai's ship alone can lay waist to the majority of Gatlantis ship types with just the normal main shock cannon batteries (turrets) on these improved Kongos (a far cry better that Okita's Kirishama at the Battle at Pluto at the start of 2199). So they didn't need the bow cannon at that point.

The current fleet of Kongos near Saturn might still be just bow shock cannons, but the sound effects given suggested wave motion guns. That might be just to fool us, or that was just for the new patrol cruiser, which was always suppose to have a wave motion gun. Perhaps they did a quick refit or treaty limiter release to allow the Kongo's to have proper wave motion guns...because oddly that makes sense to me. Having built these new ships with wave motion engines, but no wave motion guns, even with a treaty in place, seems short sighted. Having installed a wave motion gun with a limiter on it so that it can't be used unless removed does make sense for an Earth government that was quite clearly not all that interested in keeping the wave motion gun restriction treaty as a limitation (given them building Andromeda and the other ships only a year after the Kongos and others).
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Old 2018-05-06, 06:37   Link #1392
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In the Season 2 Tv Series the Comet Empire Strategy when their Carriers single decked and double decked been deployed their Space Scorpions to attack the EDF Fleet in the Battle of Saturn only for the Yamato and it.s Carrier Task Force had launched their surprise attack. without the Comet Empire Carrier Fleet then Admiral Balsey had his own Medurasa Class Battleship to fire attack any Earth ships with a Magna Flame Gun. only they got ass handed by Hijikata and the Earth Fleet when they lured them on the Saturn's Rings now in the Remake Battle of Saturn i can think that battle will be epic and awesome. this time.
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Old 2018-05-06, 16:23   Link #1393
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Given the number of ships and some of the sequences, this will be a long battle. Possibly the majority of two episodes.

A question will be, will Yamato make it back in time to make a difference?
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Old 2018-05-06, 19:12   Link #1394
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a Well properly Executed Warp to make the Yamato in Time if they bumped a Space Scorpion Stealth Reconissance craft just like in Season 2 Tv Series.
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Old 2018-05-07, 10:54   Link #1395
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If you examine the sound Yamato's wave motion cannon gives:
https://youtu.be/vV0x4XHdbyc?t=178
with Androemda's:
https://youtu.be/RwOi_I0cEFU?t=25
And then with the beams of the patrol cruisers and when Andromeda fires it's main shock cannons:
https://youtu.be/T642JNoQYlE?t=45

You notice these are either not wave motion cannon beams, or as you suggests quite low powered ones!

Or the most likely one: The sound designers were lazy and just re-used the wave motion charging sound for these shots!
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Old 2018-05-08, 21:22   Link #1396
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Probably correct, but it will be fun to find out for sure either way, since this is the first time in the show we have seen the Kongo-class even use its bow cannon, regardless if its a heavy shock cannon or a wave motion gun.

If its a heavy shock cannon, it should be as powerful as Yamato's main cannons. If it is a wave motion gun, than it is probably the same as a single cylinder of the Dreadnought's wave motion gun, which has two guns inline, so the smaller ships using it will not be able to have the spread effect like Andromeda or Dreadnaught. Just a direct blast like Yamato's original wave motion gun, but smaller and "less destructive".
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Old 2018-05-09, 00:43   Link #1397
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When the Battle of Saturn gets on if the Moon Base cities and the Gamilon Embassy would Evac before the Gatlantis would just bombard and slagging the moon if the Earth Fleet been failed in the battle. like been sucked on the Gatlantis gravitational well like in season 2 tv series when the Andromeda and the Earth Fleet got destroyed or been sucked away from the Gravitational well.
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Old 2018-05-09, 03:20   Link #1398
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I do wonder about the Gamilas. Dessler aside, you would think the Gamilas would send a fleet to aid Earth in this situation. If for no other reason but that they know exactly were Gatlantis is and its far away from Gamilas....and ripe for destruction ("with all those wave motion guns....how can they lose....right?" would be the first thought)
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Old 2018-05-09, 04:47   Link #1399
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(well yes) Besides on Gatlantis if Gamilas had Fighting unknown Enemies on a Skirmish on their own Territory been later on they found out it.s the Dark Nebula Empire and been always to go on their Strip Mining operations.
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Old 2018-05-09, 22:06   Link #1400
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YAMATO: 2202 began streaming today on Crunchyroll (subbed) and Funimation (dubbed) at 1:00 pm and 1:30 pm PDT, respectively. As with YAMATO: 2199, there will be a new episode streaming every Wednesday, through - if there are no delays or interruptions - October 31st. Going by the Japanese schedule, Chapter 6 (Episodes 19-22) should be out in August, and Chapter 7 (Episodes 23-16) should be out November. Yes, I realize that there is a discrepancy in the dates, as the US stream would conclude before the Japanese theatrical premiere, but I imagine that we'll see how this will all pan out as we get closer to October.

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