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00-Raiser · 2011-11-17, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Why is she a Mary Sue for being powerful when you can wave a stick in the Nasuverse and hit someone who's ridiculously broken, anyway. Seems arbitrary.

Because amongst all these broken characters, Arcueid is the most broken of the broken.

And Arcueid's lines are only barely visible in the daytime but at night he can't see them at all. Plus, it's not like Shiki is willing to kill her anyways. Just look at Ciel's route.

Filraen · 2011-11-17, 22:58

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

My first thought was "why there's another Rein down there?"

mega1987 · 2011-11-17, 23:20

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Originally Posted by Filraen

My first thought was "why there's another Rein down there?"

that's Rai/Levi if you haven't figured it out yet....

Filraen · 2011-11-17, 23:39

Yes, I saw that later.

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-18, 00:35

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Is this Fanbook for real?

...nice picture, btw.

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Curious parody xD

Spoiler for Signum: Demon Slayer:

...Lady Carim o.o?

Koveras Alvane · 2011-11-18, 05:12

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Curious parody xD

Parody of what? O__o'

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-18, 05:47

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Originally Posted by Koveras Alvane

Parody of what? O__o'

Kanon xD

Signum is parodying Mai Kawasumi and Carim is arguably portaying as her best friend Sayuri Kurata. That scene takes place near the finale of Mai's Arc when she's attacked by demons during a School Dance Party.

00-Raiser · 2011-11-18, 07:29

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Is this Fanbook for real?

Obviously. It had other pages I can't post.

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-18, 08:23

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Because amongst all these broken characters, Arcueid is the most broken of the broken.

And like I said, it doesn't really affect the story directly, just aesthetically and for backstory. The player only sees how powerful she is in one route anyway.

Anh_Minh · 2011-11-18, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Popular with who? Fans who have more than two braincells to rub together or the unthinking, pseudo-lobotomized masses that populate most of fanfiction sites out there? >.>

I find that mildly offensive, but whatever.

And I meant in-universe. An essential characteristic of Mary Sues is that they're loved, and always thought of as "right" except by complete monsters, even by people who by all rights should hate them. Or at least be angry at them. Arcueid doesn't have that.

For that matter, she's not invincible. I haven't played the game, but I looked it up... She's been defeated before, and there are plenty of powerful people in that universe.

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-18, 15:45

The thing is that Nasuverse is so full of insanely overpowered people that a single defeat is equal to death. So, the ones who are at the top didn't have more option than "be invincible or die".

Sunder the Gold · 2011-11-18, 15:48

Arcueid had her ass handed to her by her "sister" Altrouge... back when Arcueid was untainted and none of her power had been stolen.

Allegedly, Altrouge is the reason that Arcueid's hair is short now; she chopped it off and kept it for a trophy.

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-18, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Arcueid had her ass handed to her by her "sister" Altrouge... back when Arcueid was untainted and none of her power had been stolen.

Allegedly, Altrouge is the reason that Arcueid's hair is short now; she chopped it off and kept it for a trophy.

Aaaaand that's another failure in my serch of an unbeatable badass xDU.

00-Raiser · 2011-11-18, 16:03

The problem is the character you want is a sign of poor writing. Unbeatable heros that win every fight with ease and really has nothing to worry about are boring and it's impossible to create tension in their fights because it's a foregone conclusion that they'll walk out without a scratch.

Akiyoshi · 2011-11-18, 16:11

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

The problem is the character you want is a sign of poor writing. Unbeatable heros that win every fight with ease and really has nothing to worry about are boring and it's impossible to create tension in their fights because it's a foregone conclusion that they'll walk out without a scratch.

That's why they're divided into "Boring" and "Showy" Invincible Heroes xD! But yeah, i have aknack to cheer for those who can mantain a cool demeanor even in the face of ruin and always emerge triumphant in the last moment.

Also, invincible dudes are fun to watch from time to time depending of how well the character is executed, Curren's current "unbeatable" status is one of the things i like from her character, so i'm a bit sad of the inevitably moment when she will be stripped of her shine.

By the way, even back when Signum was awesome she didn't beat her opponents with ease, there's various ways of being unbeatable, there are the guys that always win easily and THEN there are those other guys that also always win but pass trough hardships during battle in order to score their incredible feats, Signum obviously used to be part of the second group as part of why Signum's past victories were so amazing was because she was pitted against hella skilled and powerfull adversaries, and manage to rise up in the end even after receiving a lot of punishment.

Ithekro · 2011-11-18, 16:15

"Mary Sue" would be an old Star Trek fanfiction term. I've seen some here and there, but probably the best was Lt. Piper in Diane Carey's novels, as she is and yet isn't quite a Mary Sue. She's not perfect and mostly it is because the story is told from her point of view rather than the usual heros (who are still the ones normally saving the day). That and she tends to have flaws here and there (including probably the first instance of someone asking to use the restroom while in the middle of a space battle. Though to be fair, at the time they couldn't really do anything anyway, since they (U.S.S. Enterprise) were the prize, rather than the combatants.)

Tiresias · 2011-11-18, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Aaaaand that's another failure in my serch of an unbeatable badass xDU.

Wizard Marshall Zelretch.

Sheba · 2011-11-18, 21:15

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You recomended he skip it entirely, though. I agree that checking out the source material first is a good way to go, but the anime is still worth a watch.

Hum, no. One of the main complains from the japanese fans is that Shiki have been Shinji-ed up so bad it is not fun. It is equivalent to Nanoha fans throwing a hissy fit if someone turned her 1990s Anti-Hero. I like them, by them, I mean those like Jotaro Kujo, John McClane and K', but not everyone does.

Justin_Brett · 2011-11-18, 22:32

Yeah, he was a completely different character for no reason, and so was Arcueid. Since the anime's about the route where he romances her, it's almost a completely different experience from the game.

Ithekro · 2011-11-18, 23:00

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Originally Posted by Tiresias

So we found the proper Mary Sue for the Nanoha threads?

The Great Befriender herself?

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Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	The thing is that Nasuverse is so full of insanely overpowered people that a single defeat is equal to death. So, the ones who are at the top didn't have more option than "be invincible or die". __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

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00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	The problem is the character you want is a sign of poor writing. Unbeatable heros that win every fight with ease and really has nothing to worry about are boring and it's impossible to create tension in their fights because it's a foregone conclusion that they'll walk out without a scratch. __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	"Mary Sue" would be an old Star Trek fanfiction term. I've seen some here and there, but probably the best was Lt. Piper in Diane Carey's novels, as she is and yet isn't quite a Mary Sue. She's not perfect and mostly it is because the story is told from her point of view rather than the usual heros (who are still the ones normally saving the day). That and she tends to have flaws here and there (including probably the first instance of someone asking to use the restroom while in the middle of a space battle. Though to be fair, at the time they couldn't really do anything anyway, since they (U.S.S. Enterprise) were the prize, rather than the combatants.) __________________

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Filraen Big Damn Lurker Join Date: Feb 2011	Yes, I saw that later.

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Sunder the Gold Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Arcueid had her ass handed to her by her "sister" Altrouge... back when Arcueid was untainted and none of her power had been stolen. Allegedly, Altrouge is the reason that Arcueid's hair is short now; she chopped it off and kept it for a trophy.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Yeah, he was a completely different character for no reason, and so was Arcueid. Since the anime's about the route where he romances her, it's almost a completely different experience from the game.