2011-12-13, 04:55 | Link #1 |
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The Negative Reputation System
Can we somehow get rid of this, or does not allow the attached message along with neg rep? Hasn't seen any constructive criticism, and mostly has been anonymous personal insult or rude comments (in oppose to the PM or wall system where you know who are they from)
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2011-12-13, 06:15 | Link #2 |
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So, are you implying positive rep is constructive?
Also since the entire system is annonymous it's kind of hard to argue "every negative rep is undeserved/unconstructive" when you only see yours.
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What is the penalty btw? Is it the same with rude posts?
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2011-12-13, 09:04 | Link #5 | |
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Note that we will not, however, remove negative reputations themselves, so please don't petition us to remove ones you think as "unjustified". The system is meant to be harmless fluff, even if people sometimes tend to take it too seriously, so the AS staff won't ever act as judges to determine the "validity" of reputations. Ensuring that the system is used with the same basic civility that we demand of the rest of the forum is very much within our interest though, so if you feel that a comment is stepping outside the line, don't feel shy about reporting it.
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Reputation is pretty stupid, you shouldn't take it so seriously. And what "encouraging constructive behaviors"? The only thing it encourages is heavy retaliation against things (ie. hating/defending series to the death) and fanboy antics. Since extreme things like that are the only things as I recall you're likely to get rep for.
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2011-12-13, 10:13 | Link #7 | ||
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Yeah the negative points things are not in my concern, the personal offense coming alone often is Quote:
If you expect claims on forum have to be backed up by statistics every time, i think you took the net too serious. As while i prefer the forum environment to be more pleasant, i'm not gonna goes that far. I only can claim most of the comments along negative rep were rude and would not be tolerated if it was following rules (as Skyfall mentioned). The argument is backed up by mere common senses and the few examples that i can remember (which i prefer not to state publicly). On the positive reputation. Yes, i believe the positive reputations do encourage people to make better arguments, or more ready to provide helps to fellow members (answer questions, identify images, make free avatars...etc...). The whole fanboy antics you mentioned are always been set off by negative reps, making those with most reps in the forum often to be in Graphic or Art sections (or those have been with AS since the start). But once again, i concern more on the anonymous nature of the reputation system, rather than the points themselves
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2011-12-13, 14:51 | Link #8 |
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There's no need for that. If there is a certain range of comments it's trivial to just do a database search for all entries matching certain keywords and produce a count. If your claim was on a positive note, there would be no problem but since you ask everyone to be punished and the system to be burned then obviously a little more then your word and potentially highly biased and subjective opinion on it is in order. This claim is not new at all, we've all heard it in this section a few dozen times already, and typically it doesn't come out as undeserved. The negative reputation system is not designed to be constructive mind you (not that it can't be) it's designed to counter balance the positive rep system.
It's an annonymous system, so could you just give examples of this common type of unconstructive negative comments you're recieving?
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2011-12-13, 15:28 | Link #9 |
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The only thing I would change is that peoples' username be revealed, but not everyone is like me as I don't bad rep people just because they did it to me and I always put my username if I bad rep since I have no shame^^...Other than that, I see no reason to change a system that has been in-place for so long...And that's coming from someone who'd prolly have 14, 15 rep-dots if it wasn't for bad rep...
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2011-12-13, 15:34 | Link #10 | |
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I guess it could be argued that not showing the name automatically could possibly give ... umm ... "encouragement" to "trolling", even if the mods can see the info and the users can't. But imo the rep system is as others have said - just "fluff" ultimately, but designed to encourage better discussions as such.
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2011-12-13, 16:16 | Link #11 | |
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And also negative rep account for little to nothing. For it to be like you say it would mean you get 90% negative rep and 10% positive.
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2011-12-13, 16:44 | Link #12 | |
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^That's why I'm saying it should be automatic...
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It's funny the posts I get negged on I equally get praised on...So it's crazy how my rep-life has advanced...
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2011-12-13, 21:12 | Link #13 | |
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Impersonate? Hmm, actually you can lurk into a mist of arguments, throwing negative reps to one side, and sign your rude comment under the name of the other side (e.g. ~wingdarkness)....... And then watch the chaos erupt....
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2011-12-13, 22:42 | Link #14 |
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The current problem with dealing the Reputation System is that each move will have its own problems as consequences.
On privacy: Yes, there will be people who will use the Reputation System to bring chaos by impersonating other users, but taking away the aspect of anonymity will also make the system a more serious thing than liking and disliking posts. One user might start to target another for a simple smite, for example. On taking away the concept altogether: How will newer users be able to determine the credibility of a more experienced poster? Reputation has always been a quantifiable basis for a user's credibility, and honestly, I'd take rep into consideration if I just got here in the first place. On the other hand, reputation (especially negatives) can be used as a "don't bring your opinion here" marker by people who just don't like how a person gives his/her opinion on things. I don't hate the "don't bring your opinion here" of the system since I know that offending people is normal when you don't share their opinions. However, it's disappointing that instead of telling their reaction to your post to you directly, they just resort to negative reputations.
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2011-12-14, 02:01 | Link #15 |
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I found that if you don't act like an ass towards people here, they won't neg-rep you. At least, that's how it's been in my case, aside from a couple of trolls here and there, but what can you do?
Negative rep (if used properly), can actually be used to tell somebody that what they're doing is unappreciated and needs to stop. It's much better than starting fights in the threads themselves, which becomes more work for the admins and mods.
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2011-12-14, 03:32 | Link #16 |
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Sometimes, negatives are often just fanboy impulse, face it.
But I admit, there are times that I can't help but smite a person for continuously criticizing an anime series on its own thread. It feels like someone entering a castle only to throw shit on its tapestries.
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Rep should be the last thing in the world you use to determine credibility. If anything, given what generally gets you large amounts of rep and reactions that generate rep, the higher the bar the more uninteresting your posts are, ie. you are either overly critical or just ranting, make extreme long winded posts, have very generic opinions on things, or just abuse a whole slew of cliches in making your points. Meaning you probably write what everyone wants to hear, or what everyone already thinks. Now that I think about it I believe I skim more though posts of people with high rep moreso then people with low rep. Quote:
I agree with you that reputation can help in mitigate problems like that, but can't help but wonder just how many problems it generates by it being there in the first place. How many idiots are being fueled by it. Just as you can say they might go away peacefully if you give them negative rep, the same could be said that they come in a make chaos simply because they were rewarded for the same stupid behaviour in another thread. While we may call it "fun" and "fluff" it's pretty obvious just from this thread alone that the level of addiction to it is pretty god damn high.
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