I love how Fudo goes Ninja with Crea and disappears.
And then, he sees everyone struggling to get Mikono back. And Amata getting beat up, and does nothing, instead he seems to have this "LOL JUST AS PLANNED" smile going on.
And then after the new "Detachment Wings" Fudo smiling even more.
I don't trust Fudo. Especially this episode. He just casually went back with Crea, like all was going according to plan.
I wouldn't say I don't trust Fudo, but how he can foresee somethings and not others (albeit only one event as of now) confuses me.
Spoiler for Why didn't Fudo predict what happened in episode 13?:
It was implied he knew Kagura was coming after Mykage opened the portal for him, and now in this episode we have Fudo smirking while Amata gets his ass handed to him before Kagura is wounded and taken back by Mykage. But if he has some grand plan/power of foresight, how come he didn't see Jin's death coming? I feel like the moment Jin was first wounded by Mykage Fudo ought to have realized the possibility that Mykage might finish the job later, given that he and Mykage clearly know each other and are probably quite familiar with how each other operate. I don't know if there's anything Fudo could've done to prevent Mykage from killing Jin but the fact that he was surprised by Jin's death doesn't make sense to me. Maybe there's some sort of limit to Fudo's foresight, but when one of your pilot gets injured by a weird angle dude from another dimension you'd probably do something it, wouldn't you? I don't get it.
Man I'm kinda glad I don't ship any of the main characters, cus it sounds like the whole love pentagon(or some sort of polygon?) is a right mess as of now. >_>
You make it sound like us shippers (or at least some of us) don't actually revel in these complicated love polygons...
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You make it sound like us shippers (or at least some of us) don't actually revel in these complicated love polygons...
Well sometimes they can be fun, but most times they're just stressful... Plus you cant really say anything in support of your favorite pairing without starting a chain reaction of some sort so you have to watch your words...
Complicating relationships are complicating for everybody.
Mykage's line for Wings of the Sun being reborn is true: first two episodes - Kagura sees in Amata Wings of the Sun and now in this episode registered attack has Wings of the Sun. Amata definettly is Wings of the Sun. Wings are reborn, how about Tree of Life is reborn as a human too and maybe it is the True Eve of Altair.
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Re: Kagura, it's not how he speaks (we already know about the reverse, although IMO it's not because he's tsundere or embarrassed - his entire power is "reverse" so it must be connected to that), it's what he says and the entire situation.
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Think about it: he spends the entire series so far chasing the girl, okay. He hurts and kills people to get her, and doesn't seem to care who he has to go through to make her his (NB he doesn't seem to care about her opinion either). And he can't shut up about how she belongs to him and only him. Then he bloody crashes the car she's riding in just so he can get her?? What if she got hurt? He could've killed her (never mind poor Sazanka and Malloy). Anyway, finally he has the girl captive (because she wouldn't go with him otherwise), and he starts going on about I am X reborn, you are Y reborn, this is our legend, we belong together. Add to this that the girl may be intrigued but she's also afraid and just wants to get away from him... Sorry but at this point the whole thing gives off "creepy possessive stalker" vibes to me. Like, "I am Apollon, you are Sylphie, I am your destiny, you should want me the way I want you! I'll make you mine and I'll destroy anyone who stands in my way." Brrrr.
As I said if they just stuck to Kagura being all dere and more soft and work from that it would've been okay. But these definitive statements and his overall behavior, plus the whole situation of him holding her captive... uuughh. No no no.
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]I never trust the official English names for the moves, because on average anime English isn't that good. So FWIW, "Detachment Wing" is an interesting gloss they've chosen. The first part is "無執", which as far as I know is a pretty good match for (philosophy-style) "detachment". But 不惑 is more like "righteous" or "the right path" (cf: 知者不惑, which is where I know it from...*that's* a phrase you can easily get sick of hearing).
I interpreted it as more like "no attachments, no wavering" (as kanji-per-kanji) which I think is mostly in line with what Fudou said (one without attachments won't be misled by anything, or something along those lines... I never know how to translate that into English.) Btw it means something similar in the proverb you quote: "a wise man doesn't let himself be led astray (from the right path)."
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Zessica saying he's not the hero stood out to me more as a weird line from her, she's seemingly turned into the "negative" woman she used to criticize Mikono for being.
Hm? I thought she was being sarcastic in a sad way - not "you're not the hero" but more like "there he goes being all heroic"...
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I wouldn't say I don't trust Fudo, but how he can foresee somethings and not others (albeit only one event as of now) confuses me.
Spoiler for Why didn't Fudo predict what happened in episode 13?:
It was implied he knew Kagura was coming after Mykage opened the portal for him, and now in this episode we have Fudo smirking while Amata gets his ass handed to him before Kagura is wounded and taken back by Mykage. But if he has some grand plan/power of foresight, how come he didn't see Jin's death coming? I feel like the moment Jin was first wounded by Mykage Fudo ought to have realized the possibility that Mykage might finish the job later, given that he and Mykage clearly know each other and are probably quite familiar with how each other operate. I don't know if there's anything Fudo could've done to prevent Mykage from killing Jin but the fact that he was surprised by Jin's death doesn't make sense to me. Maybe there's some sort of limit to Fudo's foresight, but when one of your pilot gets injured by a weird angle dude from another dimension you'd probably do something it, wouldn't you? I don't get it.
Fudou knew something was up, that's why he said they needed Jin's power (and they really did end up needing it). But it seems like Fudou doesn't have actual prescience (the show would be pretty boring if he did), he just knows what to expect and recognizes certain patterns. It's like, he senses when something is up, knows what he should do about it, he does what he can (keeps Jin around, makes the elements undergo special training, etc), but he can't or won't influence how things actually play out so he's mostly just an observer and occasional advisor. Either because there's the limit of his powers (or that he lacks certain powers), or because that's what he'd decided. Note that Mykage doesn't directly interfere either after a certain point: sure he'll boost Kagura's energy via dimension gate, and whisk him away from certain doom, but other than that he just observes how Kagura is doing. (He pretty much killed Jin out of spite, something Fudou didn't expect.)
Mykage holding the purple rose signify anything? Apparently purple roses/lilac colored roses signify 'Love at first sight' and butterflies 'Rebirth'...So could we suffice with 'the beginning of a new love'.
Mykage holding the purple rose signify anything? Apparently purple roses/lilac colored roses signify 'Love at first sight' and butterflies 'Rebirth'...So could we suffice with 'the beginning of a new love'.
You are right about purple rose meaning "love at first sight". It just that there is nothing new, Mikono and Amata obviously is a pair, Mikono in this episode hasn't fall in love with Kagura, she just now understands and pity him. The most funny thing that "love at first sight" fits Shushu, oh wait that's how how Kagura describes Apollon's and Sylvie's first meeting in the episode when he gets to dance his happy dance with Mikono in his hands.
You are right about purple rose meaning "love at first sight". It just that there is nothing new, Mikono and Amata obviously is a pair, Mikono in this episode hasn't fall in love with Kagura, she just now understands and pity him. The most funny thing that "love at first sight" fits Shushu, oh wait that's how how Kagura describes Apollon's and Sylvie's first meeting in the episode when he gets to dance his happy dance with Mikono in his hands.
A pair that took a very nasty blow this episode. And I wouldn't be so sure it doesn't stir anything into Mikono's heart.
It finally feels like a love triangle.
Hopefully next week will be about Zessica finally doing something instead of moping from afar.
I think zessica is still afraid if she starts anything she will still be hurt in the end. Seeing amata has some sort of death wish chasing mikono to hell, I would not want her to be involved because I am afraid she will die and sacrifice herself for amata even though she is not noticed.
Welp... The way I see it, if Amata can be forgiven for being physically attracted to Zessica despite not having any romantic feelings for her, I don't see why we can't let it slide for the same thing with Mikono whenever she's placed beside this 'magnificent' specimen of a 'man'.
A pair that took a very nasty blow this episode. And I wouldn't be so sure it doesn't stir anything into Mikono's heart.
It would be forgiven next episode like the mourning wedding has lasted only one night. Nasty would be some backstabbing which hurt you for real and not something that stopped you from doing something that you didn't want to do in the first place.
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Has anyone figured out if Kagura's beast form is that of a lion or wolf? Because it looks like a wolf to me...could it be a totem spirit of some sort?
It's a wolf(if you are not sure look at the sixth episode when his wolf form is without his red fur) in beast of love mode, they have the best noses.
Wolves have very highly developed sense of smell and very powerful scent glands. Scientists have estimated that the wolf's sense of smell is up to one hundred times more sensitive than that of a human. A better way to think of this is not that a wolf nose is more powerful than a humans, but far more discerning. Where we smell the "outdoors" or the "woods" a wolf would be able to distinguish in that scent the presense of prey, other wolves, water, humans, etc. One researcher found that a cow moose with twin calves was scented by wolves over four miles away.
Wolves you scent markings to identify themselves and mark territory. Wolves can tell from a scent mark the gender, age, and relative health of another wolf, they can also recognize other members of their pack by these marks as well as invaiders in their territory.
>Vena
Re: Kagura, it's not how he speaks (we already know about the reverse, although IMO it's not because he's tsundere or embarrassed - his entire power is "reverse" so it must be connected to that), it's what he says and the entire situation.
Spoiler:
Think about it: he spends the entire series so far chasing the girl, okay. He hurts and kills people to get her, and doesn't seem to care who he has to go through to make her his (NB he doesn't seem to care about her opinion either). And he can't shut up about how she belongs to him and only him. Then he bloody crashes the car she's riding in just so he can get her?? What if she got hurt? He could've killed her (never mind poor Sazanka and Malloy). Anyway, finally he has the girl captive (because she wouldn't go with him otherwise), and he starts going on about I am X reborn, you are Y reborn, this is our legend, we belong together. Add to this that the girl may be intrigued but she's also afraid and just wants to get away from him... Sorry but at this point the whole thing gives off "creepy possessive stalker" vibes to me. Like, "I am Apollon, you are Sylphie, I am your destiny, you should want me the way I want you! I'll make you mine and I'll destroy anyone who stands in my way." Brrrr.
As I said if they just stuck to Kagura being all dere and more soft and work from that it would've been okay. But these definitive statements and his overall behavior, plus the whole situation of him holding her captive... uuughh. No no no.
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In his defense, Kagura did not kill people needlessly prior to Mykage's *intervention*. Comparing his first and second meetings with Amata shows how he went from a fairly hot-headed single-minded tsundere to a psycho tsundere that doesn't let anything get in his way. His being possessive and obsessive need not be negatives; consider if we had had this episode's events at around Ep. 6 before Mykage got in the game. He'd still come off a little awkward by saying "You and I are destined for love!" (which, let's be fair here, would be considered romantic (or the central premise of a plot) in many other shows... especially if it were the girl saying it or if it were early on in the development cycle) but would we still be so taken aback?
And anyway, like I said, he is possessive, creepy, and obsessive, in fact he's a deconstruction of the above trope I listed for *other* shows. That is his character trait but he's also, at the very least, *kind* in his own strange way. As for rebirth and the creepiness of that... honestly, no more creepy than Apollo/Sylphie\Sirius\Touma or any other such story. (And, again, Kagura's creepiness only gets truly freaky when Mykage gets involved.)
Kagura is, as I've said before, a fallen hero. He has traits that could have easily made him a hero (he could have fairly straightforwardly been made into the hero as a new Apollo) but has fallen into the hands of the villain and, as such, has been warped into one. He's not beyond redemption.
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I think zessica is still afraid if she starts anything she will still be hurt in the end. Seeing amata has some sort of death wish chasing mikono to hell, I would not want her to be involved because I am afraid she will die and sacrifice herself for amata even though she is not noticed.
I think Zessica threw caution to the wind this episode when she admitted to her feelings right in front of Amata. The only thing we need next is some heart felt declaration of love from her but, likely, its just going to be some heartfelt declaration of love from Amata to Mikono *or vice-versa* that will make my heart bleed from melodrama.
This was Zen's line for the day: "執着なき者は、いかなるものにも惑わされず"...which as I understand it is exactly the way you had it. FWIW the move card's use of "不惑" reminded me of that idiom, which at least IMHO (so grain of salt, etc.) has a pragmatic meaning that's more like "you know better than that, so why are you considering it?"...but that's probably just me. Either way it's not like Amata's going to develop a sudden attachment to Zessica (probably), I hope he doesn't become some smug guy floating above the fray.
What I was clumsily trying to get at is that the only other lengthy conversation Zessica had was back in episode 4, where she was criticizing Mikono for being so negative and such a quitter. This week was (sadly) her first real conversation since that time, and the way she was acting was a lot like what she was criticizing Mikono for...but that "you're not the hero" line certainly wasn't the right line to use to point out that shift.
This was Zen's line for the day: "執着なき者は、いかなるものにも惑わされず"...which as I understand it is exactly the way you had it. FWIW the move card's use of "不惑" reminded me of that idiom, which at least IMHO (so grain of salt, etc.) has a pragmatic meaning that's more like "you know better than that, so why are you considering it?"...but that's probably just me. Either way it's not like Amata's going to develop a sudden attachment to Zessica (probably), I hope he doesn't become some smug guy floating above the fray.
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I think the power-up was about Amata's fear of being abandoned and said fear leading him astray. If we go for it word for word, its pretty straightforwardly easy to fit it into "The wise man does not let himself be led astray!" as Amata was about to let himself sink into despair of thinking he was about to be abandoned again. (Why he is wrong can be interpreted many ways, since, for example, he has many other friends and its rather short sighted of him to ignore them.)
The issue with the whole set-up though is that the ending reeks of *build them up before the fall*. Amata just gets his resolve mended, his wings take him high... and then he gets shredded. Since Fudo isn't able to read the future...
going by the spoilers being posted on 2ch currently which is will get in a sec, it seems mikono might go the past is past, present is present, i still love amata etc. which just makes me sad for zessica even more. however zessica is still important to the story with the main 3. I think next episode she will let mikono know how she feels about amata so maybe mikono-zessica will start competing but it won't be in the usual jealous/bitch way of doing it.
it also looks like the previous ending had past reincarnated characters like i said before in another thread that everyone before the book are past characters. my theory is everyone after the book zess-yunoha-gin are new characters who get written into the book.
nice to see Kagura fail again XD (But he does become a bit more likable in this episode)
and all of a sudden the show just becomes initial D somewhat
well, Amata, it's easier to get Mikono's heart back when she is around...
I never see the first series, but what Fudo says at the end seems to suggest that one should embrace the present, not the past, so even if Mikono and Kagura are the destined pair, Amata should still try his best to get Mikono (and ensuring happiness) ?
Got to say, I would rather the staff to break the mold...I know it's really dramatic and romantic for the destined pair to reunite after 12000 years, but it would be better imo to see Amata (Who has nothing to do with the reincarnation) and Mikono become lover despite that, let's say (and speculate), Mikono was supposed to choose Kagura because of the history and destiny...but I am pretty sure staff would do something to Amata so he is the reincarnation of someone important.
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