Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[Kaioshin Sama]

Wow what a surprise, 4Tran has nothing but bad things to say about a Gundam 00 episode. Who ever would have suspected?

Going to side with the likes of NyxOne on this one and say that I'm glad it was resolved, that it was a logical conclusion that was built towards over the course of the series and that it REALLY was just not a bad episode no matter how much people are trying to bring it down for trivial reasons such as the belief that children cannot have a romantic interest in one another that can blossom through hardship and that the two can't be so excited after being reunited that they would embrace. I think some people are just sore because Soma went through a huge character change over one episode and neglect to realize that we've been buildin to this point with her character for the greater course of the last 13 or so episodes leading back into season 1.

[jonli]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

Which might make sense, except that the creators seem to be trying hard to show how nice-nice Marie is supposed to be. Oh well, we'll know next episode if this is supposed to apply to just Allelujah.

Thinking about it a little more deeply, it'd be for the best if Marie does turn out to be a monster (and that the creators have the guts to show that) since it'd at least make her interesting. Right now, I find her to be about as exciting as a cardboard cutout.

That would really make things interesting actually. If they start to show Marie beginning to enjoy the thrill of the kill. Allelujah trying to stop it and all that. It would definitely breath more life into Allelujah's character.

I'm really afraid that they might just "end" Allelujah's story for now (until the very end of season 2). Like how they finished his story in season1, then ignored him for the rest of the season until the last episode.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

I think that they made it clear that Marie had no contact with anyone other than Allelujah, so her experience in the super soldier facility must have been completely different from his. Since he must have treated her very well, Marie shouldn't have any sort of unusual psychosis (aside from that other identity, of course). And for that matter, Soma herself doesn't seem to have resented her status as a super soldier, so I don't think that such a conclusion comes naturally.

I don't think Marie had lost all of her senses from birth, or:
- they wouldn't have kept her that long;
- her intellect would be a lot less developed;
- she wouldn't have been able to acquire them later on, added personality or not. Her brain wouldn't have developed properly.

I speculate she grew up like a normal super-soldier, whatever that means, and lost her senses as a result of the scientists tweaking her "quantum brain waves" at some point in her childhood. Though you may be right and she didn't meet others of her kind before, for some reason.

On your other note, it shouldn't come as a surprise that Soma is more compassionate; of the cast, she ranks fairly high in terms of empathy (if only because there are so many callous characters).

I know, but at first she was presented as some kind of fighting robot, but she is, in fact, one on the nicest characters in the cast. Marie, OTOH, from her voice and soft expression, is presented as a nice person, but may be a sociopath.

[Ryuk]

Allelulja and Marie are going to wreck Celestial being. They are going to keep everyone at the ptolemy up all night and ruin the 8 hours of proper sleep needed to properly pilot a Gundam.

But hey, let's hope it's good for something, it may just wake up Hallelulja.

[Seibee]

it's too much to hope Marie might really be as nice as she seems?

[Anh_Minh]

She seems to have no trouble forgiving the gratuitous slaughter of dozens of kids. How nice does that look to you?

[Seibee]

I'm clinging to the slim hope she might just have been trying to make Alle-chan feel better. Most likely I'll be wrong though ._.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

She seems to have no trouble forgiving the gratuitous slaughter of dozens of kids. How nice does that look to you?

She understands why he did it, because she knows what he went through better than any audience. She forgave him, because she was the only one who can.

[Ryuk]

A little slaughter now and then is just healthy, as long as it does not become a regular habit, like with Ali.

[Seibee]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

She understands why he did it, because she knows what he went through better than any audience. She forgave him, because she was the only one who can.

That's the impression I got. Rather than not caring about the other children, she knew that what Allelujah did was probably the kindest thing he could have, to save them from going through what they already had.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Seibee

That's the impression I got. Rather than not caring about the other children, she knew that what Allelujah did was probably the kindest thing he could have, to save them from going through what they already had.

And even if she disapprove of what he did, there was no point being angry at him. Instead of avenging the dead, it is more important to protect the living.

I am actually crediting Sergei's upbringing for this, against the nay-sayers who say the old Soma is gone. Marie is portraying a level of maturity only possible under proper parenting, and Sergei was the only one in the position to do so.

[Spring_sakura111]

OMG! I'm gonna miss SOMA! T_T I hope she can you know..show her badass moves. But still, I know Ale won't allow that to happen.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Spring_sakura111

OMG! I'm gonna miss SOMA! T_T I hope she can you know..show her badass moves. But still, I know Ale won't allow that to happen.

Soma never left. She would now merely chose when and where to fight again by her own will, without being ordered to. Sergei will understand.

[Seibee]

That's another reason why it confuses me as why people have said Marie might be some sort of monster. It's not like she's suddenly a completely different person. She's as much Soma as she is Marie. If not, she wouldn't have been at all upset to leave Sergei.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Seibee

That's another reason why it confuses me as why people have said Marie might be some sort of monster. It's not like she's suddenly a completely different person. She's as much Soma as she is Marie. If not, she wouldn't have been at all upset to leave Sergei.

People are just trying to justify claiming the old Soma's "return" is desirable by demonising Marie as much as possible.

They want the slave-solder Soma back, even though that isn't what Sergei wanted either. An obedient servant who will do everything the superior officer wanted. Sergei spent years getting that out of her, and A-Laws was putting it back.

And now it appears the Soma "fans" want their fantasies more than they care about Soma's wellbeing...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Yeah, why do people think Marie is supposed to be some sort of secret psycho again?

[Galerian]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

And now it appears the Soma "fans" want their fantasies more than they care about Soma's wellbeing...

You were suprised by this Anime-watcher prefering being fed their favourite dish of fanservice above the emotional well-being of an non-real person. Yeah, a real shock

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Yeah, why do people think Marie is supposed to be some sort of secret psycho again?

Because she seemed relatively unphased by Allelujah's gruesome tales of killing defenseless kids.

Besides, it's more fun that way.

[NyxOne]

Maybe she didn't care about the rest?

And even if that's the case, that doesn't mean she's a bottled-up lunatic.

[Kinku]

i dont think they are defenseless kids..... they are growing up to be weapons preatty much