2013-01-18, 18:43 | Link #1324 | |
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Also, no offense or anything, but I noticed quite a few your posts seem kind of bias. They always seem to make Yozora out as the worst person ever, while Sena is the paragon of the story. I know Yozora won't win the award for best character of the year but you have to admit that she has gotten a decent amount of character development, its just not as obvious; and Sena has her annoying flaws too, which is what makes her a good character to begin with. Personally I don't really like Sena as a character much, yet I don't rant about how much of a bane she is to the story. I know that this is just your opinion and I have nothing against that, but can you tone it down a bit, its hard to take seriously since you have the shipping lenses on so much.
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2013-01-18, 19:06 | Link #1325 |
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Paranoia, obsession, judgemental, all occasional flaws exhibited by Yozora. Which is why I used the word 'ironic' in another post because for someone who hates a 2D character so much, happens to exhibits the same trait in every post. Understandable if the said someone only watched the first season of the anime - however LN had a much more balanced portrayal.
Funnilh enough this is something that a couple anime viewer has noticed and complaining about Sena's character being a bit broken in S2, well news flash, in the LN she's like that to begin with, every character is broken. For a supposed LN reader, I must question one's comprehension ability, or just the wilful ignorance of all evidence to the contrary. |
2013-01-18, 20:35 | Link #1326 | |
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I figure it's the same as how the Anime portray Charles (IS), then when the same people went to read the LN they were taken back at how much she's... Not too different from the other girls I remember back in the first season people were closing one-eye to Sena's antics, but I guess it's a lot harder to do so in S2 when they're so 'in your face'
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2013-01-19, 12:15 | Link #1327 | |
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The point about being happy and unhappy is the main theme in Haganai. The neighbor's club members are doing the same things like in a therapy group. A bunch of loners who have low social skills: Being happy and motivated is essential to change into persons who can live like "normals" within the society. And this is the aim for Sena, but not for Yozora. Yozora made the club so she has a place for herself and Kodaka. Every conflict with Yozora raises Sena's social skills. Yozora makes fun of her and makes her cry but Sena is so motivated that she always comes back and faces her again. She faces her anxieties and she always tries again even if she fails. This is exactly how people in those groups learn to overcome their social anxieties in real life. The conflicts with Yozora actually helps Sena to become a "normal". Her confidence rises and at the end Sena only needs one victory to overcome her. Yozora don't challenge her again because she is unhappy and has no motivation. In the current episode of the Anime show Yozora achieved the knowledge that friends can kiss. Sena already tries it out in the next episode. Sena was able to speak out loud those erotic lines from the eroge. Her social skills raised again - someone who can do that has enough confidence to talk to people/strangers without getting nervous. And Yozora was the one who forced her to do that. The current translated chapter from the light novel now shows that Yozora has problems answering a question where you need some basic social skills (a person with friends can answer this question without problems). Yozora completely relied on her childhood friend card and that was her biggest mistake. She don't have the social skills to form a new friendship with Kodaka. But this is not only Yozora's problem - it was the same for Rika and Yukimura. They are socially awkward, they just don't now what to do! They can only watch helpless how Sena is able to improve her relationship with Kodaka, because she always tries out those things she just learned. A social outcast who really wants to live a "normal" life with friends must be happy and very motivated to achieve this goal. The author of the story also was once a friendless outcast with bad habits, negative thinking, and in his story he describes what to do to get out of this hole. |
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2013-01-19, 13:12 | Link #1328 | |
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In the beginning of the story she has no female friends and treated the guys as servants due to her arrogance. Seven volumes later and she has no female friends (outside the club) and she still treats the guys as servants... due to her arrogance. While her happy attitude may make it appear like she would be great at making friends, her haughty attitude still makes her just as pathetic at social issues as the rest of the club. (Admittedly her attitude is what makes her appealing to fans, as well as the usual fanservice bait, but I digress.) And you're kind of missing the whole point of the series. The theme of the story is not that you have to be "happy" in order to be friends, its more like you don't exactly have to be "normal" in order to make friends. The Neighbor's club is filled with abnormal people, yet they are still friends despite not being a "normal". The author is saying you don't have to fit in with some perceived vision of normalcy to make friends.
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2013-01-21, 16:49 | Link #1329 | ||
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People who are always alone are used to think about themselves. Friendship starts with the thought about another person. If they can't think about other people they can't even start a relationship. Quote:
You are not thinking about the author. The author HAD bad habits, WAS negative thinking and WAS friendless. He don't have this flaws anymore and he has friends now. He became a normal person. Forgive me, but this show is not intended to end up with the message that antisocial people can make friends. Antisocial people can only dream about leading a happy life, as long as they are not starting to work on themselves and change. Last edited by mironicus; 2013-01-21 at 17:15. |
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2013-01-21, 17:36 | Link #1330 |
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Woo... Connect lays thick with fanservice.
and on all that friends argue. I will say even criminals can have friends, someone who lives very hard and pessimistic life can still find someone to socialize as long you are on same wavelenght with them. |
2013-01-22, 03:32 | Link #1331 | ||
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Are there any "normal people" characters in this story who are consistently portrayed as sympathetic people we should admire? Quote:
And besides that, I think it's quite presumptuous to suggest that "antisocial people can only dream about leading a happy life". Says who? Finding people who can love and accept you is a wonderful thing, but that doesn't mean you need to "change" who you are. "Normal" is overrated.
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2013-01-22, 15:48 | Link #1332 | |
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2013-01-23, 16:01 | Link #1334 | ||||
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"This novel is a story about myself who also had few friends, bad communication skills, negative thinking, lacking life experiences and useless delusional habits. " Quote:
They are doing similar things like in a therapy group for people with social anxieties. Quote:
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People with such anxieties are not able to lead a happy life if they don't change (improving their social skills, facing their anxieties...). In the new Connect Light Novel the author gives a more detailed description about the social problems of some characters (Yukimura, Yozora). Last edited by mironicus; 2013-01-23 at 16:59. |
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I'm still not sure that I'm prepared to judge how people can live a "happy life". But it's clear that they weren't satisfied with their original situation of not having any friends to confide in and rely on. I think accepting what they've found in each other is the end point, not becoming "riajuu". Somehow I doubt that even the author has become a "riajuu" himself, even if he's grown up a bit along the way.
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2013-01-23, 20:35 | Link #1340 |
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Not just baised but obsessed (obsessed like Sena, but not on the hating part) with hatred for Yozora. A test: count number of times Yozora gets mentioned compared Sena in his posts. Which is rather ironic, because he then talks about how negativity is the root of all evil.
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