2010-12-19, 21:50 | Link #20001 |
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The lack of communication and impaired social interaction is what distinguish autism from a plethora of other development disorders.
You do not diagnose autism on a child just because throws a tantrum. And having a fervid imagination is not characteristic of autism at all.
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2010-12-19, 22:21 | Link #20003 |
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Oh, it's officially MORE THAN ONE THOUSAAAAAND!!!
@zero You really think that the whydunnit was explained? Certainly we have some major hints, but I think we lack a major piece to really find a sense in the culprit's actions.
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2010-12-19, 23:50 | Link #20005 | |
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However, if the possibility exists that a culprit exists that doesn't kill for the money, which is what I think Battler was trying to explain to Ange at the end of Episode 7, then we still have an unanswered whydunnit. And I have a question that's been jumping around in my mind. If it's been covered in the several-hundred pages I've missed, so sue me. I've been gone a long time. What's people's opinions on where Bern stands? On one side, some of her actions in the early Episodes and a chunk of Episode 7, not to mention her disputable connections to Rika, make her out to be a benevolent character, helping people understand important things but never accepting their thanks. And then... you have the twisted, destructive personality she shows at the end of Episode 4, throughout Episode 5 and 6, and at the end of Episode 7. Despite how vicious and heartless she can be, I can't seem to shake the feeling that it doesn't quite fit her. What do you people think? |
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2010-12-19, 23:58 | Link #20006 |
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Arguably, I think Bern is very bitter. She plays the bad guy for kicks when she gets bored (like people who play Grand Theft Auto and the like) and is very blunt.
If there was one line that could sum her up, she doesn't care, but she'll humor you.
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2010-12-20, 00:08 | Link #20007 | |
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If you could simply say "money" and solve the question it would be a no brainer. All those paragraphs about "understanding the heart of the culprit" can't possibly have passed over your head. This is not a true understanding, it's cold, it's heartless.
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2010-12-20, 00:12 | Link #20008 | |
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Bern is evil. There's absolutely no doubt about that. But it isn't just senseless evil. She enjoys cruelly exposing the truth, and make others suffer from it. I think of her as a symbol of the harshness of reality. The witch of Miracles is only there to guarantee that there aren't any. |
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2010-12-20, 00:23 | Link #20010 | |
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I see her cruetly as purely senseless. She's become so twisted from whatever hell she was trapped in for some length of eternity, that she can't deal with existing with bringing harm unto others. Her and Lambda suffered the same hell, for a presumably equal amount of time. Both of them broke, but in different ways. Lambda learned to simply enjoy taking things a twisting them until they broke, laughing at it, them moving onto the next one. She's never fazed by defeat, since it's all just a game to her. Bern never found an understanding like Lambda did. She just breaks things, tears out their guts and feasts on them, but never truely enjoys it the way Lambda enjoys breaking things. Both of them are broken beyond repair, but Lambda at least can enjoy herself. 'Course, it's all speculation, considering how little we know of them, but that's what I've put together when I think she's twisted and cruel. |
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2010-12-20, 00:34 | Link #20012 | |
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2010-12-20, 00:40 | Link #20013 | |
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2010-12-20, 00:44 | Link #20014 | ||
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To me, it almost seems as if this birdcage of a game, constructed by Lambda, was built out of the one thing Bern would never again understand and sympathize with: love. Because she can't sympathize with love, she acts out against those who can love and do love, senselessly destroying it in desperate attempts to satsisfy herself. |
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Whether you interpret her as the cruel truth incarnate, or someone who just doesn't understand love, it doesn't make much difference. Of course, I kind of like my own interpretation. |
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2010-12-20, 02:52 | Link #20016 | |
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2010-12-20, 03:06 | Link #20017 | |
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When people tend to be harmed in some significant way (Let's use rape as an example), they intend to inflict that pain on others to get that sense of whatever was taken from them back. Rape victims have a high tend tendency to become rapists themselves because they can become so psychologically tormented and confused that they just don't think straightly anymore and feel the need to do these things to people. It's like the whole "understanding the heart" thing. Knowing why people psychologically feel the need to resort to these things is vastly important. It isn't because people are necessarily evil. It's just sad and pitiable of them. That's why support groups and therapy exist. |
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2010-12-20, 03:10 | Link #20018 | |
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When making an outrageous claim like that, I hope you have some extensive, reliable data to back you up. It's a horrible analogy to make, and deeply offensive to victims and their sympathizers. |
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2010-12-20, 03:21 | Link #20019 |
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It's what was taught to us in high school, and is to my knowledge generally accepted. I don't have the specific data on hand right now though.
And to be honest I don't care if people are offended because I said that people don't baselessly do awful things. I'm not saying rape is good or whatever, nor am I trying to downplay how bad these things can hurt people. I'm saying I think that it's sad when people who are victims of crimes feel the need to start committing these same acts. |
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