2013-02-02, 20:01 | Link #6681 | |
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Unless there is an incentive to do so, like being a teacher's pet. But they make disciplinary committee just seem like any old club, no special gain from nagging other students, they just enjoy policing their peers despite the annoyance and hatred. |
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2013-02-03, 02:02 | Link #6682 |
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In the US, student's in charge of student discipline is more commonly seen at the college and university level.
Student government *used* to be more participatory in U.S. high schools but over the years, legal reasons and admiinstrative control obsessions have made student councils and student government pretty useless (other than for planning the social dance).
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2013-02-03, 02:17 | Link #6684 | |
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And as much as I love all of you trying to help out, and thank you, this does not answer my question. Does this mean disciplinary committee is not like magical ninjas?? It is true and done in Japan like in anime and is that why it is done or is it just like magic ninjas who swish through the night and go "Boom! dattebayo"?? |
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2013-02-03, 02:29 | Link #6685 | |
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And as far as I know, "buckets" haven't been used in decades in Japanese schools and it would be the *teacher* issuing that punishment. Clean up duty, otoh, is used in many schools in Japan and in the US (in the US, often students in detention are used for litter patrol). In Japan, cleaning up the school is not really a punishment but more often a rotation duty of classes.
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2013-02-03, 02:32 | Link #6686 | |
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Sorry if I sounded mean, I'm not mad. I am just wondering when or if a good answer will come. |
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2013-02-03, 03:05 | Link #6687 |
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Even the old series Azumanga Daioh made fun of the "bucket" meme because it was out of date even in the early 2000s. In the series, the class clown is dying to be punished with buckets and gives herself the punishment even though the teacher is saying that's not necessary. The clown ends up making a big mess with the water anyway.
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2013-02-03, 03:06 | Link #6688 | |
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Anyway, all this hullabulloo seems to be confirming that the disciplinary committee is just an anime thing. Or not, I don't know anymore. |
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2013-02-03, 03:14 | Link #6689 |
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^ Would they include such a thing as the Student Discipline Committee in numerous different animes if it was not based on something the Japanese experienced/see in real life? This isn't the same thing as giant robots, it's something that could easily be real, and there's really very little point in making it up.
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2013-02-03, 03:20 | Link #6690 |
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Most anime producers and writers (usually 20/30-somethings) are telling stories using their own memories of high school. So, until recently you didn't even see *cell phones* in high school anime. So old memes tend to stick around because a lot of what anime sells is nostalgia for "high schools that never were but should have been".
I kind of wonder if the bucket meme is in the same category as the "sweatdrop" or the "nosebleed" now. It is a metaphorical indication that the student is in trouble (like sweatdrop = tense or nosebleed = omigodbrainzjustmeltedfrombeauty)
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2013-02-03, 03:27 | Link #6691 | ||
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I understand what you are saying. But please understand my point of view as well. In my country (or how about in my city, my country has many differing lifestyles), at least, we do not have students punish fellow students in organized, school approved committees. We have tattletales, but since most of their peers won't like them, so they don't go making clubs all about tattilng (just an example, I am not trying to reduce disciplinary committee to the level of tattling). To me, the idea seemed almost as farfetched as magic ninjas. So, just like I will not sit here and ask "Everyone in Japan has big eyes and colorful hair right? Because almost every anime ever told me so", I will not automatically assume that this particular anime, um, idea is completely representative of reality. That is why I asked. If it is true and disciplinary committees like that exist in Japanese high schools in real life, then so be it, my question is answered. But as of yet, I have not gotten a single answer clearly stating yes or no. Yes, the idea is realistic. It is to the extent which disciplinary committees are shown in anime which I doubted existed in reality. Now don't take anything of this personally, like I explained my doubt is to my environment, it is not based in any truth nor do I stubbornly think it is based in any truth. Quote:
Does this mean disciplinary committees used to exist, I wonder? Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-02-03 at 03:58. |
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Now does that mean we need to know for sure sure with pictures and official documents from Japan clearly stating that they exist? No, absolutely not. Simply because it is not a fantastic or grand idea like say for example magic ninjas, we can conclude that they most likely do exist. To the same extent as they do in anime? No, ofcourse not, or are we forgetting about suspension of disbelief? The key here is weather or not we can apply the same logic to 'hey, my moderator's gonna kill me if you don't wear your I.D.' and 'hey, wanna see me summon a giant frog?'. The final nail perhaps in the coffin of this question would be an old story from a certain man's younger days. Back in highschool this certain man had schoolmates who worked under the Student Welfare and Development and gave out late passes at the school entrances to students who otherwise could've slipped in unnoticed and not have to have been marked late on their records. Were these students hated? No, any frustration the students had was directed at the teachers giving them their orders in the Student Welfare and Development Office. Why did they sign up for such a job? Nobody knew, nobody asked, nobody cared. |
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2013-02-03, 04:41 | Link #6693 | |
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There are plenty of people here with more first hand experience with Japan than me. So I don't think I was asking for the impossible by asking my question. Never asked for documents, never asked for pictures, never asked for real names. Just a fact. And man, you're really not putting yourself in my shoes to even try to understand why I would ask this. And thank you for your example, but I already said disciplinary committee in anime do way more than that. And was that even in Japan?? |
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2013-02-03, 05:02 | Link #6695 | ||
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I understand exactly why you'd ask this. To you it seems like an impossibility that students would want to undertake such a task if they would only be hated. Did I get that wrong? Ofcourse not, I couldn't have. Then There's the matter of certainty, at no point did I mean that it was impossible to know the answer for sure, I even dropped names just to make it very very clear, or perhaps not clear enough. We all know they do much more than that, but I thought I'd already adressed that before. Quote:
It goes without saying that even the most ordinary things in anime would not be the same as is real life, this is no different. |
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2013-02-03, 05:13 | Link #6696 | |
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Look at the forest. Understand what I was trying to say, I know you do. Don't nitpick because magic ninjas can't possibly exist on this earth. I think you're just picking up the wrong nuances. tl;dr Why are you debating over a question?? |
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2013-02-03, 05:18 | Link #6697 | ||
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In the case of my comment on applying standards, I was replying to. Quote:
Do I know what you're trying to say? I thought I did, now I'm not so sure what this is about anymore. |
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2013-02-03, 05:20 | Link #6698 |
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I'm not either. If you want to discuss something with me that isn't answering questions, let's not poo up this thread anymore okay? Come to my talk page or something.
Or let's drop it, because this "why do you talk about ninjas" was getting pretty damn stupid anyway. Question again: Why, in some anime, are school disciplinary committees run by students? It seems like the one extracurricular you'd do if you wanted to get your ass whooped regularly by other students. Maybe so the cast stays full of students? Or is it based on real life in Japan? I believe in individual people to respect one another in neutral settings. :') |
2013-02-03, 05:33 | Link #6699 | |
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The school might want the students to be more independent... ( or rather the teachers are just lazy so they transferred their responsibility to the students) |
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2013-02-03, 05:35 | Link #6700 | |
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