2013-07-02, 03:48 | Link #2301 | |
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2013-07-02, 04:24 | Link #2306 |
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Be at ease, it wasn't really a puppy, just a tool of massacre
As for the whole good/heroic convo, good people don't go for the kill before (at the very least) exhausting any other option...Tatsumi, who is one of the best characters in the manga, didn't hesitate to one-shot his friends' killer waaay back from chapter 1. It just comes down to everyone's personal sense of justice, I guess. |
2013-07-02, 04:26 | Link #2307 | |
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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It's something so commonly known, like the term "everything happens due to karma", there's absolutely nothing splendid in saying it. It's kinda true, but... fuck that. Also, you wouldn't say that people who are handicapped since birth or meeting misfortunes are due to their bad karma they didn't know, right? There's always a limit when to use the term. I hope everyone will do the same for this NR vs Jäger. It's good and all to have sympathy for both sides for their respective circumstance, but plz make more logically and morally correct decision, not just lazily lump them up together. Stylish, Esdese and Senryuu's actions are too much atrocious... |
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2013-07-02, 06:16 | Link #2312 | |
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give them to police that will not punish them? (but punch you instead?) + NR job = same as hero in old rpg game > they need to kill enemy boss/s. (while their regular army > only attack when they are sure to win) |
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2013-07-02, 06:23 | Link #2313 | |
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NR is all about it. |
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2013-07-02, 07:28 | Link #2317 |
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Well...the conversation has progressed enough while I was asleep >_>
Anyway, for me the thing about Bors is that...he was following orders. Now, that doesn't excuse his actions however you also have to understand that this was a man stuck between a bullet and his family and he chose to protect his family even if it meant committing unspeakable acts (which still haunted him). We don't know the full extent of his past, like why did he join the military and how did he get his Teigu but considering that he was likely already part of the military when at least got a kid it's reasonable to assume that they would not take it too kindly if a Teigu user just up and went "I don't want to do this anymore, I'm leaving". At best he'd be discharged only to find it hard to find another job to provide for his family as not only did he have a history of butchering people but he also had a disfigured and intimidating figure which would scare others away easily. There's a lot of variables and issues surrounding Bors' situation, it's not as cut and dry as "He burned down a lot of villages and people, therefore he's evil." Seryuu was a more straightforward situation though still a bit complicated. She's an extremist which is almost always a bad thing because extremists then to think that what they believe is right and everything else is wrong and should not exist. If you look at it one way you see a girl that wanted to be a defender of justice and fighter of evil, a girl that joined the police in order to protect others. However her views on the justice issue were the problem as she only saw things in absolutes, "Absolute Evil = Death" and "Absolute Good = Protection" and there was no middle ground with her. It did not help that the mentor she admired and the scientist that helped her turned out to be twisted people that did unspeakable things for their own sick pleasure, either without her knowledge or she simply wasn't capable of admitting it to herself due to her admiration for them. HOWEVER after the death of her mentor things changed, her mind became more twisted and unstable and she focused her justice not for protection of others but for revenge, she began doing it not for others but for her own selfish reasons. This is a very important thing that differentiates someone like Bors from Seryuu. One was doing what he did under orders but doing it to protect someone else (his family) while Seryuu was doing it all for herself (for revenge), she wasn't focusing on protecting others, just vengeance. Again, that isn't to say that Bors was excused for his actions, not in the least but his reasons for committing such acts are much more easily excused than Seryuu's. NR are also killers, they are not saints however they only kill people that have and are causing harm to innocent people, that or people that are after their lives. What they do is also for others and they target only people viewed as being on the extreme edge of the scale of evil to stop them from harming more innocent people. Is this different from Seryuu's views on things? Not really but then again Seryuu focused on the revenge aspect rather than the protection of the week and used justice as an excuse instead of a guideline. Also she killed a lovable member of the MC group AND fed her body (along with Chelsea's) to her puppy...on-screen. THAT did not get her any fans in the least so the hate for her in easier to understand even if she was a tragic character all along. |
2013-07-02, 07:54 | Link #2318 | |
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2013-07-02, 09:13 | Link #2319 | |
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By using your standard of DnD classification, every single damn military related character from AGK, FMA, Gundam, and many others, as well as every soldier on earth that participated in a war are technically "evil" since they all ended the life of countless people to accomplish their duty at some point. From the correct use of this classification however, you can't just place them in an exact fix point because Jaegers aren't flat unidirectional characters. Bors and Wave are in-between Lawful good and lawful neutral. Flying dude is unknown. Kurome's alignment is all over the place. And Esdese is also somewhat Lawful but too insane to be qualified as either good or evil, she's at best Lawful insane if something like that could exist. And Justice is an insane case of Lawful neutral ... who is technically a "good" person. Someone here talked about how the nazi killed people out of duty. Sure, but some if not all of them would've been executed if they didn't follow the orders. "But that doesn't justify their actions", yes that's right, just like how being the Nazi's enemy doesn't justify the allied country killing their men and raping their women. There's no good or evil in a war. In there, everyone does atrocities for the sake of their objective, whatever it may be.
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2013-07-02, 09:27 | Link #2320 |
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Don't forget NR has been shown to brutally murder everyone involved around their targets as well, based on a 'they must have known what was going on, didn't leave, therefore must be complicit' mentality. What if they didn't know? What if they had no choice, having family etc to support as well? I mean look at Tatsumi's first encounter with NR, he easily could have gotten killed and there're probably plenty of similar people who bit it because of NR suddenly dropping in and ruining their day. Saying they kill only those who deserve to die is a stretch, simply considering the massive body count they pile up constantly.
Anyway regardless of all this nothing changes the fact that Esdese = best girl.
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