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teelatsuki · 2011-10-30, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Sheryl and Alto are different, too, though, right? As are Michel, Klan, Luca, Nanase, and Grace.

Yes they are different but Ranka's character only similar trait between series and movie is the design (I know it's not like that, I'm exaggerating). The others still hold several things from their series counterparts even with their changes, and well I liked them then and still do even with their changes, is only that I never tough I would like Ranka and the movie changed that.

Yot-chan · 2011-10-30, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Tak

Michel and Klan are consistent, imo. Nanase? ... ... not even ONE line. Luca? Still same-old shota jailbait.

- Tak

Dude...did you even WATCH the movie...? ONE line...? She has, like, THREE!

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Originally Posted by teelatsuki

Yes they are different but Ranka's character only similar trait between series and movie is the design (I know it's not like that, I'm exaggerating). The others still hold several things from their series counterparts even with their changes, and well I liked them then and still do even with their changes, is only that I never tough I would like Ranka and the movie changed that.

Enh...everyone seems different enough to me. It's like EVERYONE has grown up a bit.

Oh, and incidentally...there's at least ONE difference between the theatrical version and the DVD/BD version:

Spoiler for difference:

Tak · 2011-10-30, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Dude...did you even WATCH the movie...? ONE line...? She has, like, THREE!

*GASP* Rea... REALLY!?

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..... wow dude... such... awesome change ... man...

- Tak

Yot-chan · 2011-10-30, 13:26

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Originally Posted by Tak

*GASP* Rea... REALLY!?

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..... wow dude... such... awesome change ... man...

- Tak

Awww...Tak's feelings are hurt 'cause he was WRONG...

sa547 · 2011-10-30, 13:31

Nanase actually had a few lines. Good thing they brought her back in.

BetoJR · 2011-10-30, 13:39

And she seemed awfully close to Elmo, eh?

Yot-chan · 2011-10-30, 13:40

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Originally Posted by BetoJR

And she seemed awfully close to Elmo, eh?

Nanase knows who's got the dough, right?

Yot-chan · 2011-10-30, 13:42

Oh, and now that everyone's seen the movie, I think it's time for these again...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5GY37EAT

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D5ZIBD0V

Darthtabby · 2011-10-30, 14:24

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Originally Posted by teelatsuki

I don't see that problem with Sheryl, all her actions point to her ultimately being unable to take ranka's life to keep on singing, but considering her situation she couldn't state it right out, after all a lot of things hapened between receiving that information and getting imprisioned, most likely she didn't say anything so Grace assumed she agreed.

That's my take on it anyway I could be wrong, it's just that I'm unable to see Sheryl as someone who would do that especially when later she saved Ranka's life in exchange for her own (well as far as she knew).

I suppose I am warming up to the idea that she had objections and just didn't state them. I might have liked it if they'd shown that more strongly through her body language and such though. Granted I notice there were a lot of cases where it seemed like they deliberately chose not to show us her reaction to something that seems like it would have provoked a strong reaction (Grace's line about watching Ranka get on stage one last time, Ranka winking at her after the delivery of the holographic Teddy Bear). What we did see in the car seemed kind of weak and she seemed awfully calm just prior to being struck with the Vajra's pain during the Dogfight of Heart bit of the concert though.

Still, I seem to be gaining some acceptance of the issue so at some point I should probably rewatch the movie and see if I can properly appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

So, again (and to make my point explicit)...Sheryl's FANS wanted Ranka dead...but if Sheryl HERSELF wanted Ranka dead, that would be crossing some sort of line, right?

I don't think it's so much that Sheryl wanted Ranka dead, it's more that she gave the impression of being way too accepting of the plans Galaxy had for her.

Also, I actually really liked TV Ranka right from the start. I ended up finding what happened with her disappointing on rewatchs, but I didn't really hate her. (Though I did end up developing a strong objection to the idea of her being with Alto considering what she did because of her feelings for him.)

Oh, did anyone notice that Ranka was wearing basically the exact outfit she wore in the Mihoshi rooftop scene on the hospital rooftop in this movie? I have the feeling that was a very deliberate choice (and not just because it allowed the reuse of a brief clip of Ranka running up stairs from the TV series).

Yot-chan · 2011-10-30, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Darthtabby

I don't think it's so much that Sheryl wanted Ranka dead, it's more that she gave the impression of being way too accepting of the plans Galaxy had for her.

A plan that most of her fans here would be all too happy to see played out, yes?

BetoJR · 2011-10-30, 14:37

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A plan that most of her fans here would be all too happy to see played out, yes?

Again with the evil, eh? You need therapy, mister...

Yot-chan · 2011-10-30, 14:41

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Originally Posted by BetoJR

Again with the evil, eh? You need therapy, mister...

Oh, sorry. I forgot that Magnuskn, Cheesie, Tak, Justinstrife, you, and everybody else here just LOVE Ranka.

DID YOU HEAR THAT, EVERYONE???

MAGNUSKN IS A HUUUUUGE RANKA FAN!! CHEESIE ALSO LOVES HER!! SO DO TAK, JUSTINSTRIFE, AND BETOJR!!

HELL, HERBERT WOULD LOVE HER IF HE WERE STILL AROUND!!

I know this is true, 'cause Beto told me. And why would he lie?

Thess · 2011-10-30, 14:51

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Originally Posted by magnuskn

Now, this is very interesting. I just rewatched that set of scenes and it makes it look like Sheryl is at least considering going along with it ( due to her despair of being about to die or have to undergo cyborg-ization ). It also seems to be what makes her accept being imprisoned, because she thinks she actually deserves it.

This absolves her of being involved in the long term planning of the conspiracy, but still has her have a moral lapse for a short time ( and it really is short... basically just before, during and shortly after Rankas concert. A span of one day or so ).

I'm not sure if that is a good or bad thing, as it shows that Sheryl can also undergo a moral downfall. It does help to humanize her even more, but the severity of the action she apparently consented to ( harvesting Rankas organs ) or at least didn't reject immediately, is so horrific that it may have been too much.

Likewise coming clean to stop Ranka from going to Brera and how she's willing to die for Ranka's sake when she was sucked into space.

I do like that she's conflicted, not just because of her own life, IMO, but because of Grace.

Yot-chan · 2011-10-30, 15:32

Oh, and, uh...Halloween Party:

I went as a Sheryl fanatic.

karice67 · 2011-10-30, 16:20

^
Hm...I'm somewhat disappointed! SURELY you could gone a (fair) bit more over the top?

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Originally Posted by magnuskn

Thanks, I guess they should have made it clearer in the series and movies. Sometimes I don't get the writers, they create several exposition-heavy scenes in the movie, but something like that is left out.

Funny though, once you notice, it stands out EVERY SINGLE TIME. The glowing scenes too. It's also interesting to consider exactly what this means for the triangle

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Originally Posted by Tak

Interesting enough, Fold Quartz were in use during the mid 2040s for the exact purpose they were in Frontier, and first mentioned in Macross VFX-2. They weren't called Fold Quartz back then though, but more elaborately as Super Dimension Resonance Crystals (超空間共振水晶体).

- Tak

Cool beans, didn't know that. That game was released in 1999, yeah?

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And I'll just quote this to (hopefully) help ensure that it stays on record

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Oh, sorry. I forgot that Magnuskn, Cheesie, Tak, Justinstrife, you, and everybody else here just LOVE Ranka.

DID YOU HEAR THAT, EVERYONE???

MAGNUSKN IS A HUUUUUGE RANKA FAN!! CHEESIE ALSO LOVES HER!! SO DO TAK, JUSTINSTRIFE, AND BETOJR!!

HELL, HERBERT WOULD LOVE HER IF HE WERE STILL AROUND!!

I know this is true, 'cause Beto told me. And why would he lie?

Though sometimes, you guys scare me...

Tak · 2011-10-30, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

I went as a Sheryl fanatic.

This is where I go: After being abducted by the Vajra, all I got was a stinkin' T-shirt!

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Originally Posted by karice67

Cool beans, didn't know that. That game was released in 1999, yeah?

Yep, still got it, and its prequel as well. They fill the blank between SEVEN and FRONTIER. To be honest, I liked the original name better, sounded more... er... important...

- Tak

BetoJR · 2011-10-30, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Oh, sorry. I forgot that Magnuskn, Cheesie, Tak, Justinstrife, you, and everybody else here just LOVE Ranka.

DID YOU HEAR THAT, EVERYONE???

MAGNUSKN IS A HUUUUUGE RANKA FAN!! CHEESIE ALSO LOVES HER!! SO DO TAK, JUSTINSTRIFE, AND BETOJR!!

HELL, HERBERT WOULD LOVE HER IF HE WERE STILL AROUND!!

I know this is true, 'cause Beto told me. And why would he lie?

And now you're trying to blame us for your maniacal yearnings? Where's that doctor, again?

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Originally Posted by karice67

And I'll just quote this to (hopefully) help ensure that it stays on record

Though sometimes, you guys scare me...

Yeah, I'm getting more afraid of Gubaba by the minute...

Shiroth · 2011-10-30, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Yot-chan

I went as a Sheryl fanatic.

I still want that t-shirt.

BetoJR · 2011-10-30, 17:11

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I still want that t-shirt.

Well, that makes two of us.

magnuskn · 2011-10-30, 17:36

Wow, no more reviews? I guess I am expecting too much.

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