(L) Hunter x Hunter

[margafred]

^
May seem like forever, but this all depends on Alluka herself i believe. Maybe possible if she says yes and allows it, but the moment she requests for another thing, then that just implies that the previous request is incomplete/fails, because i think the request cannot overlap with each other.

But i think its a rule too that the target must admit that he/she cannot do it before the request can be considered as fail. Who knows, maybe that delaying plan will work lol.

[marvelB]

Heh, y'know, I just realized that the confusion regarding Alluka's gender must have been why Silva referred to her as an "it" a couple chapters back.

Originally Posted by mrShady

@marvelB: I doubt that, it's a zoldyck family secret I don't think they are going to spread it around. And it's not like Pariston has anything to say over them or their family. Heck I wouldn't even be suprised if he would avoid them, considering their reputation and strength. Would he even recognize them, they are still a mystery to most people.

.....Except that we just saw Illumi explaining the mechanics of her power to Hisoka, who's probably one of the least trustworthy characters in the series.



But even putting that aside, me and some others already pointed out that Pariston's sneaky and manipulative enough to obtain the information about her powers from a different source, if he so desired. Also notice what Cheadle was thinking this very chapter about how he's so willing to tackle difficult challenges that seem disadvantageous to him. If Alluka's power is such a great secret, then I'd have no doubt that he'd love to entangle himself into such an enigma if it meant he could gain absolute power.....

[Clarste]

You also have to consider that Pariston or someone he knows has some sort of nen power that can discover "secrets". Anything is possible. Fortunetelling like Neon, Mindreading like Pakunoda, etc. I'm pretty sure the Zoldyicks and everyone else realize that it's impossible to keep a secret perfectly in this world.

[marvelB]

^Probably because Illumi is insanely protective of him. I mean, didn't he join the hunter exam early on for the exact purpose of discouraging him from becoming one (y'know, threatening to kill his friends and all that)? And not to mention putting that needle in his head that made wary of fighting (which he didn't discover until the ant storyline).....

[mrShady]

Originally Posted by margafred

He didn't die.

When Alluka pesters for something, she (yea she, no he pls) only says it without any intention at all. She doesn't have any sort of power at all, so her pesters are powerless, just a simple request that brings no harm. All her powers come from her other side, in which will only activate if
- Someone didn't do what she pesters 4 times in a row
- Someone fulfilled her pesters 3 times in a row

I think Killua already anticipates his sister's pestering to ask him to die (absurd request imo in return for granting Milluki's wish for latest and newest computer). Even if she didn't mean it, Killua still had to do it, for the sake of the rule. The implication might be greater for the next pestering if he didn't "die" from his sis's first pestering (like Kasuga's liver --> duodenum --> spine --> brain). At least acting as if he has died is easy, with his Kanmuru, better than if his sis asking for something even worst, like his brain or his spine, in which his Kanmuru will be useless.

The 2nd request that asked Killua to wake up didn't revive him at all. As i said, Alluka's request holds no power, only if the rule is fulfilled then only her power will be activated.



Like what omimon said above, as long as Alluka accepts it, then the pestering can be considered as done. That means, if Killua simply lies down, only acting like being shot when Alluka bangs him with her finger gun, i doubt Alluka will accept it as "die". Killua had to make it so real in order to give the impression to his sis that he has indeed died. And this is where the danger lies, because his sister doesn't really care what will happen to Killua, coz she only treats it as a part of a play. She doesn't know that her impression towards Killua determines Killua's fate. Its just either she is emotionless, or because of the effect of the ability that resets her emotion back to zero, as if nothing happens.

I doubt emotion plays any help to Killua. Her sister looks fine even after being confined inside the prison for years, not showing any sad feeling at all. To her, she just treats everything as a fun play, without knowing the implication behind it. Asking Killua to die is bad enough imo, okay let just say she probably anticipated that Killua could do such feat without any problem. But then that would just mean she will keep in believing that Killua is able to do just about anything, no matter how horrible it is.

The key in solving the pestering rule lies on how closest Killua can probably deceive his sister into believing that he can actually do whatever she requests for. Hiding his head inside the shirt at superhuman reaction speed is one of his feat, thanks to his Nen. But then there are even horrible ways of dying, that even his Kanmuru wouldn't be able to help. If worst comes, the last thing he could probably do would be

Spoiler for lol:

electrocuting his sis's brain, altering her memories into thinking that all her pestering have been fulfilled.

Her request range from easy to absurd, but let's assume for a minute that the guy who was asked to give her his spine would say yes, how would she claim it and he give it? it's not like he can magically pull his spine out. Thus I assume she magically takes his spine out, the same way she instantly can kill people. But this only happens when the person agrees to the request. So when she asked Killua to die and he said yes; she killed him.
When she asked him to come back to life he did. Ofcourse he could have just as easily faked it, however because her requests can be so absurd, there is no way some can ne fulfilled, thus she has to do them because she can make crazy stuff happen.

And what I meant by them having a good relationship is that she would ask him different stuff in return because she knows him. She wouldn't treat a butler or stranger in the same way. Ofcourse with this I assume she has some form of control over her requests, they just need to fulfill a certain standard set by the nen power.

Originally Posted by marvelB

Heh, y'know, I just realized that the confusion regarding Alluka's gender must have been why Silva referred to her as an "it" a couple chapters back.





.....Except that we just saw Illumi explaining the mechanics of her power to Hisoka, who's probably one of the least trustworthy characters in the series.



But even putting that aside, me and some others already pointed out that Pariston's sneaky and manipulative enough to obtain the information about her powers from a different source, if he so desired. Also notice what Cheadle was thinking this very chapter about how he's so willing to tackle difficult challenges that seem disadvantageous to him. If Alluka's power is such a great secret, then I'd have no doubt that he'd love to entangle himself into such an enigma if it meant he could gain absolute power.....

Illumi knows Hisoka, they have worked together a couple of times and Hisoka considers Illumi usefull (otherwise he would have killed him).
Illumi told him the secret because he needed the help of someone strong enough but without any affiliation or desire to tell his family. Enter Hisoka. Who has the motivation of being killed if he doesn't help to stop it.

Any way I still see no way for Pariston to know such a family secret.

[zeniselv]

i have to say i love how the art is good again, and about the gender, im going with female afterall killua knows her best, this was a very fun chapter in all aspects.

[margafred]

Originally Posted by mrShady

Her request range from easy to absurd, but let's assume for a minute that the guy who was asked to give her his spine would say yes, how would she claim it and he give it? it's not like he can magically pull his spine out. Thus I assume she magically takes his spine out, the same way she instantly can kill people. But this only happens when the person agrees to the request. So when she asked Killua to die and he said yes; she killed him.

I don't think real Alluka has that power to "forcefully" make the person do what she pesters. That would make her even more absurd, aside from what Illumi has said about her powers.

Well there's no sign of Killua being killed magically anyway. If his head really got blown up by Alluka's finger shot, then there should be blood pouring down from his neck, or at least bits of pieces from his blown head scattering on the floor (like how she "minced" her butlers). And if what you said is true, then there is no way for her to "magically" revive Killua if Killua was really dead at that moment, since Killua couldn't give his reply to her 2nd request. Lastly, she could at least make her revive process looks better if she really has the magic to do so

[frubam]

You know you want it =03.

Originally Posted by margafred

I doubt emotion plays any help to Killua. Her sister looks fine even after being confined inside the prison for years, not showing any sad feeling at all. To her, she just treats everything as a fun play, without knowing the implication behind it. Asking Killua to die is bad enough imo, okay let just say she probably anticipated that Killua could do such feat without any problem. But then that would just mean she will keep in believing that Killua is able to do just about anything, no matter how horrible it is.

Originally Posted by mrShady

Her request range from easy to absurd, but let's assume for a minute that the guy who was asked to give her his spine would say yes, how would she claim it and he give it? it's not like he can magically pull his spine out. Thus I assume she magically takes his spine out, the same way she instantly can kill people. But this only happens when the person agrees to the request. So when she asked Killua to die and he said yes; she killed him.
When she asked him to come back to life he did. Ofcourse he could have just as easily faked it, however because her requests can be so absurd, there is no way some can ne fulfilled, thus she has to do them because she can make crazy stuff happen.

And what I meant by them having a good relationship is that she would ask him different stuff in return because she knows him. She wouldn't treat a butler or stranger in the same way. Ofcourse with this I assume she has some form of control over her requests, they just need to fulfill a certain standard set by the nen power.

I can't really see how he died when it showed him popping his head back out of his shirt. I actually think it's a combination of the your[margafred/mrShady] ideas: the real Alluka has no power whatsoever, and her pesterings can't be forcibly invoked upon a person(Killua in this case), but her other persona, which is probably Nen-induced, possibly can and does. I don't think Alluka's intention was to actually 'kill' Killua, as she said 'wake up' to him afterwards, not 'come back to life'. This pretty much infers that she wanted him to 'play dead', not 'die'.

I don't feel she's emotionless either. I mean, she was happy to be smothered in Killua's scent after all . I think that she is just a happy person who pesters; almost as if it's some kind of mental disease. She doesn't think about being locked up in a vault away from everyone. Her other persona, however, might be that emotionless being you describe, but certainly not her 'true' self.

To note about the 5 brothers thing; I wonder if the Zoldycks simply want to have all their children be men instead of women for some reason? I mean, that could be the reason Mil/Ill call her him(in accordance to some kind of family rules) while Killua calls her 'her' and fits in with the whole 'going against the family creed' business he has.

[vansonbee]

Can anyone list the oldest to youngest in the family?

[Clarste]

Pretty sure it's Illumi, Milluki, Killua, Alluka, Kalluto.

You can tell by the names, actually. The last syllable of the older brother becomes the first syllable of the younger one. With a "llu" in the middle of course.

[james0246]

While I certainly enjoy the riddles, and I appreciate that Togashi is getting his creative juices flowing, I am still unclear how this storyline actually works in the main plot (which is centered around the Zodiac currently). Sure, everyone may die (unlikely), but the actual story of healing Gon could have been handled in any dozen of different ways (all of which did not require the invention of a near godlike character that can grant wishes) whereas the plot featuring the Zodiac and the Hunter's seems far more natural to the overall narrative and plot progression. Here's hoping Togashi can combine the 2 storylines a bit better than the somewhat silly "they all might die" scenario currently tangentially connecting the stories...

[Kokukirin]

Originally Posted by james0246

While I certainly enjoy the riddles, and I appreciate that Togashi is getting his creative juices flowing, I am still unclear how this storyline actually works in the main plot (which is centered around the Zodiac currently). Sure, everyone may die (unlikely), but the actual story of healing Gon could have been handled in any dozen of different ways (all of which did not require the invention of a near godlike character that can grant wishes) whereas the plot featuring the Zodiac and the Hunter's seems far more natural to the overall narrative and plot progression. Here's hoping Togashi can combine the 2 storylines a bit better than the somewhat silly "they all might die" scenario currently tangentially connecting the stories...

I don't see the election as the main storyline at all. For one, everyone heavily involved in the election is a new character, except for Ging who apparently does not care too much either. It is more of a side event that is shaping the world in the future. No doubt this will develop into something more interesting than an election, but for now it is not making progress at all.

The real focus is on Killua and Alluka right now.

[t3ck]

So, why does Killua want to bear the pestering for recovering Gon?

[Kokukirin]

That's just what Illumi thinks will happen. But Killua apparently knows more about Alluka than Illumi. Things may not go as Illumi thinks.

[Gooral]

Originally Posted by zeniselv

i have to say i love how the art is good again, and about the gender, im going with female afterall killua knows her best, this was a very fun chapter in all aspects.

Yeah, he definitely knows better than his mother who couldn't tell apart a boy from girl, just like Goku, lol. Let's be serious here. Alluka is definitely male if both Illumi and SIlva say so, Killua treats her as sister since she acts like a girl, simple as that.

As for the chapter, it was great, especially interaction between Hisoka and Illumi. Still I can't believe that Illumi had revealed to him he has at home a genie that could make his wishes come true. A bit risky if you ask me, especially taking into account Hisoka's desire to fight the strongest opponents no matter what. It seems they're rather good friends and trust each other to a degree.

I wasn't as much interested in voting since Parriston was in the center but it was also good. Anyway, 10/10 chapter for me.

[margafred]

Originally Posted by james0246

Here's hoping Togashi can combine the 2 storylines a bit better than the somewhat silly "they all might die" scenario currently tangentially connecting the stories...

Togashi never fails us when it comes to combining storyline. Just see how he successfully did that in the previous arcs
- (Genei Ryodan x Mafia) + (Genei Ryodan x Kurapica) + (Gon x Killua) in the YS auction arc.
- (Gon-Killua-Biske x Bombers) + (other card hunters storyline) + (Genei Ryodan) in Greed Island arc
- (Gon-Killua x Kaito) + (Gon-Killua x Ant) + (Netero-Morau-Novu-Knuckle-Shoot x Ant) + (King x 3 guardians) + (King x Komugi) + (several other side stories involving the other ants) in Ant arc.

Beside, its just the beginning of the arc anyway. I'm sure it will get expanded into several more storyline, and turn all the storyline into one big mind boggling plot.

[tarachi]

I think the election and "heal gon" arc will cross paths. We are still in the "introduce new characters" for the arc. And seeing that Pariston suggested to meet face to face the hunters that failed to vote, will result in his "threat" of visiting Gon.

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by james0246

While I certainly enjoy the riddles, and I appreciate that Togashi is getting his creative juices flowing, I am still unclear how this storyline actually works in the main plot (which is centered around the Zodiac currently). Sure, everyone may die (unlikely), but the actual story of healing Gon could have been handled in any dozen of different ways (all of which did not require the invention of a near godlike character that can grant wishes) whereas the plot featuring the Zodiac and the Hunter's seems far more natural to the overall narrative and plot progression. Here's hoping Togashi can combine the 2 storylines a bit better than the somewhat silly "they all might die" scenario currently tangentially connecting the stories...

....Hence my suggestion that Pariston will discover the secret of Alluka's powers and use it for himself.


And while I'm on that subject:

Originally Posted by mrShady

Illumi knows Hisoka, they have worked together a couple of times and Hisoka considers Illumi usefull (otherwise he would have killed him).
Illumi told him the secret because he needed the help of someone strong enough but without any affiliation or desire to tell his family. Enter Hisoka. Who has the motivation of being killed if he doesn't help to stop it.

True, but Hisoka has a tendency to use people and throw them away like used condoms for the sake of personal gain (like when he joined and left the Ryodan). Who's to say that he couldn't take the information that Illumi gave him about Alluka and use it to his advantage somehow? For instance, I could easily see him passing the info along to Pariston if it meant that he could get a meeting between him and Ging set up (who you'll recall he was even searching for a couple chapters back).....

Originally Posted by mrShady

Any way I still see no way for Pariston to know such a family secret.

See my above response. And to dig a little deeper into this, I believe some people mentioned something like this before, but Pariston doesn't have to directly use Alluka's power himself. In fact, I don't think he'd even bother with the wishes at all..... rather, he'd take full advantage of the penalty that comes forth from refusing Alluka's pesterings. Like for instance, he could just tell some casual acquaintance of one of his enemies something along the lines of "Hey, did you hear about that kid who has the power to grant wishes if you play with her?", and if he's aware that the last wish granted was a powerful one, all he'd have to do is sit back and wait to hear the news of mass deaths that occurred. The method I just described could be a particular way for the vice-chairman to eliminate all opposition, including his fellow zodiacs (I don't think the power would work on Ging, though..... the very fact that he's going out of his way to avoid meeting his own son tells me that he doesn't have any close friends or lovers that he's particularly attached to).



So to make my long story short, I guess I'm saying that I could see Pariston using Alluka as his "Death Note" of sorts.

[mrShady]

Originally Posted by marvelB

True, but Hisoka has a tendency to use people and throw them away like used condoms for the sake of personal gain (like when he joined and left the Ryodan). Who's to say that he couldn't take the information that Illumi gave him about Alluka and use it to his advantage somehow? For instance, I could easily see him passing the info along to Pariston if it meant that he could get a meeting between him and Ging set up (who you'll recall he was even searching for a couple chapters back).....







See my above response. And to dig a little deeper into this, I believe some people mentioned something like this before, but Pariston doesn't have to directly use Alluka's power himself. In fact, I don't think he'd even bother with the wishes at all..... rather, he'd take full advantage of the penalty that comes forth from refusing Alluka's pesterings. Like for instance, he could just tell some casual acquaintance of one of his enemies something along the lines of "Hey, did you hear about that kid who has the power to grant wishes if you play with her?", and if he's aware that the last wish granted was a powerful one, all he'd have to do is sit back and wait to hear the news of mass deaths that occurred. The method I just described could be a particular way for the vice-chairman to eliminate all opposition, including his fellow zodiacs (I don't think the power would work on Ging, though..... the very fact that he's going out of his way to avoid meeting his own son tells me that he doesn't have any close friends or lovers that he's particularly attached to).



So to make my long story short, I guess I'm saying that I could see Pariston using Alluka as his "Death Note" of sorts.

I get your point, however I still can not agree with it, let's just wait and see.


@frubam: I guess I can agree with that. But in the off chance I'm right, I was the first who called it. But when I'm wrong then let's just forget about it.

Also is it me or is the recovery of Gon not gonna take up that much time?
Because as it is Killua has already arrived at Alluka's and has even done the pesterings. The only thing remaining is the wish and the next set of pesterings. Which could mean that this arc is finished within 5 chapters...
And let's not forget about Killua's promise, he would leave Gons side when he has healed him. So if this heal gon arc really is that short what will happen next?

[noktown]

Originally Posted by Gooral

Killua treats her as sister since she acts like a girl, simple as that.

That's not that simple imo,that's total nonsense.

Even when he thinks about "her" he thinks as "her" and "sister" not "him".
I think their mom is just keeping it a secret from the whole family or something stupid like that.