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Ithekro · 2015-02-22, 03:42

Techincally all the destroyers save the Mutsuki-class ships, are Fubuki's juniors.

All the ships that Fubuki is looking up to in the anime were all built before her. The Kongo sisters are the 1910s. The Nagato sisters are 1920. The Sendai sisters were built around 1925. Akagi and Kaga were finished not long before Fubuki was built 1928.

Shoukaku and Zuikaku are the ones built by 1941, but Fubuki doesn't seem to look up to Zuikaku.

The (outdated) list of the ship in history. Completion and sinking dates.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1553...gs=tatsumi_rei

(The list is over a year old so several shipgirls have been added since then)

AC-Phoenix · 2015-02-22, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Techincally all the destroyers save the Mutsuki-class ships, are Fubuki's juniors.

All the ships that Fubuki is looking up to in the anime were all built before her. The Kongo sisters are the 1910s. The Nagato sisters are 1920. The Sendai sisters were built around 1925. Akagi and Kaga were finished not long before Fubuki was built 1928.

Shoukaku and Zuikaku are the ones built by 1941, but Fubuki doesn't seem to look up to Zuikaku.

The (outdated) list of the ship in history. Completion and sinking dates.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1553...gs=tatsumi_rei

(The list is over a year old so several shipgirls have been added since then)

I bet she will actually look up to Yamato a lot too.
It imho depends on how much Yamato will actually be included in the story and episodes. I just hope they won't just ocassionally use her like Mutsu and some other ships.

JokerD · 2015-02-23, 10:17

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

I bet she will actually look up to Yamato a lot too.
It imho depends on how much Yamato will actually be included in the story and episodes. I just hope they won't just ocassionally use her like Mutsu and some other ships.

Historically the battleships were kept in reserve for a 'decisive battle' that never came. Anime-wise, I'm guessing that Yamato would come in as a special guest for an episode or so. Although she was with Nagato and Mutsu during the battle of Midway (and we all know how that turn out)

It would be interesting if Nagato gets canon envy due to Yamato being a shiny new and bigger battleship and get some OOC moments

AC-Phoenix · 2015-02-23, 10:37

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Originally Posted by JokerD

Historically the battleships were kept in reserve for a 'decisive battle' that never came. Anime-wise, I'm guessing that Yamato would come in as a special guest for an episode or so. Although she was with Nagato and Mutsu during the battle of Midway (and we all know how that turn out)

It would be interesting if Nagato gets canon envy due to Yamato being a shiny new and bigger battleship and get some OOC moments

The US deployed their South Dekota class' and Iowa class ships quite often though.
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As for how often she will appear:

I am still waiting to seee Mutsu equip her actual equipment, despite her having been on one of the promo posters. :P - Same goes for Murasame having any roll at all other than backgground character.

Kakurin · 2015-02-23, 10:45

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

The US deployed their South Dekota class' and Iowa class ships quite often though.

The Americans weren't as fixed on the decisive battle as were the Japanese with their kantai kessen doctrine. Furthermore, the Americans had no problems with fuel, which was always an issue on the mind of the Japanese in pondering the decision to sortie their battleships.

Additionally, the new American BBs (North Carolina, South Dakota, Iowa) were used as carrier escorts since they had enough speed to run around with them. This can't be said of the Nagatos and while Yamato probably had a similar speed as South Dakota her fuel consumption ruled out this use. The Japanese used the Kongōs in that role and they steamed all over the Pacific as part of Kidō Butai.

Ithekro · 2015-02-23, 15:36

The "decisive battle" was Japan's tactic for dealing with the expected American push across the Pacific as detailed in the American's Plan Orange (strategic plan to fight Japan based on if Japan invaded the Philippines). When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and crippled the old battleship fleet, Plan Orange went out the window along with some of the old school admirals.

The new American fast battleships didn't start arriving in the Pacific until after Midway. By that time, the main weapon was to be the aircraft carrier, so the battleship was detailed to escort them, or at least be nearby. USS Washington and USS South Dakota engaged Kirishima in the Solomons. They would have engaged Hiei as well, but she had been sunk the a day or two before after fighting US cruisers and destroyers.

The older US battleships (what few were functional before Midway) were used to defend the American West Coast in case the Japanese managed to get past Hawaii. After Midway they were regrouped as more and more were repaired and sent on shore bombardment missions as the Americans island hopped towards Japan, rather that the big push the Japanese expected from Plan Orange.

The older ships in action would the the remaining Nevada-class (USS Nevada), remaining Pennsylvania-class (USS Pennsylvania), the New Mexico-class (USS New Mexico, USS Mississippi, and USS Idaho), and Tennessee-class (USS Tennessee and USS California), and the Colorado-class (three of the Big Seven: USS Colorado, USS Maryland, and USS West Virginia) The other three active old battleships were usually in the Atlantic until late in the war. The one remaining combat active Wyoming-class (USS Arkansas), and the New York-class (USS New York and USS Texas). USS Wyoming was a training ship during the war.

James Rye · 2015-02-23, 19:32

I wonder if we get another shipgirl getting sunk before the series finishes. We don't have that many episodes left. Or will they do the whole 75% SoL now and have the last 2-3 episodes be all gritty and full of actiony explosion and sunk shipgirls and tons of "NO! Not the 6th Div!!!" feels after making all the girls more likeable due the SoL episodes?

Marina2 · 2015-02-23, 20:01

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Originally Posted by James Rye

I wonder if we get another shipgirl getting sunk before the series finishes. We don't have that many episodes left. Or will they do the whole 75% SoL now and have the last 2-3 episodes be all gritty and full of actiony explosion and sunk shipgirls and tons of "NO! Not the 6th Div!!!" feels after making all the girls more likeable due the SoL episodes?

If anime will really go in that direction:

For plot reason, historical reason and timeline reason, Akagi and Kaga have higher chance to be sunk than all Akatsukis at this point.

Wake Island >> Coral sea >> you know what's comming next.

Fubuki will probably get a chance to escort Akagi soon and that Wo-class will probably return... Let see how anime will do it.

Actually, I think all Akatsukis have very strong plot shield. (Just go to offical website and look at those offical arts that about to get released in the future) The worst thing that can happen to their member is Hibiki getting hit by a cannon or a torpedo and need to repair which anime will get a chance to introduce remodel system and turn her into Verniy.

......................

Will we see Exercises system in anime? A mock battle ep. before the final battle should be nice.

James Rye · 2015-02-23, 20:07

^No! Anybody but Kaga!!! D8

Ithekro · 2015-02-23, 20:23

If that happens, it will be the loss of Akagi, Kaga, and the so far unvoiced Hiryuu and Soryu (both are the same voice actress as Fubuki). Also the barely seen Mikuma.

But, with shipgirls fighting at visual range for the most part, Fubuki, Kongo, and Yamato can easily get close enough to deal with however many Wo-class are out there. Plus they would be almost forced to put out Midway Hime, which seems to recent an addition.

JokerD · 2015-02-25, 10:38

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

The US deployed their South Dekota class' and Iowa class ships quite often though.
-----
As for how often she will appear:

I am still waiting to seee Mutsu equip her actual equipment, despite her having been on one of the promo posters. :P - Same goes for Murasame having any roll at all other than backgground character.

As others mentioned, the US faster battleships were used as carrier escorts instead. Of the Japanese battleships, really only the Kongou class was fast enough for that.

1 thing that's not been mentioned yet is the american sub fleet, which wreaked all kinds of havoc on the the Japanese navy during WWII.
Wiki list 38 destroyers, 14 cruisers, the Kongou and quite a few carriers including the Shinano, a Yamato hull converted to a carrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...can_submarines

Kakurin · 2015-02-25, 11:06

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Originally Posted by JokerD

1 thing that's not been mentioned yet is the american sub fleet, which wreaked all kinds of havoc on the the Japanese navy during WWII.
Wiki list 38 destroyers, 14 cruisers, the Kongou and quite a few carriers including the Shinano, a Yamato hull converted to a carrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...can_submarines

Japanese ASW was quite poor. And they didn't help themselves with their damage control procedures. Taihō for example sank over six hours after getting torpedoed because the crew was incapable of dealing with the leaking aviation fuel. In the meantime the carrier was still in good condition to launch aircraft before getting jolted by explosions.

Jimmy C · 2015-02-25, 11:08

Not to mention all the freighters and transports that were the important targets and what truly drove Japan into resource starvation.

Marina2 · 2015-03-01, 14:07

You know, it would be good if ship girls moment and tactic don't get restricted by the fact that they are based on real warship.

Other than using their cannon and torpedo, I want to see them punch and kick an enemy, smash an enemy with their anchor or just throw it to an enemy face (I want to see you do that, Ikazuchi), strangle an enemy, etc.

It must be fun to see Wo-class or Ru-class get killed by those methods.

cloud04 · 2015-03-01, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Marina2

You know, it would be good if ship girls moment and tactic don't get restricted by the fact that they are based on real warship.

Other than using their cannon and torpedo, I want to see them punch and kick an enemy, smash an enemy with their anchor or just throw it to an enemy face (I want to see you do that, Ikazuchi), strangle an enemy, etc.

It must be fun to see Wo-class or Ru-class get killed by those methods.

that would probably be in some djs lol

Ithekro · 2015-03-01, 16:55

Yamato using a rocket anchor.

James Rye · 2015-03-01, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Marina2

You know, it would be good if ship girls moment and tactic don't get restricted by the fact that they are based on real warship.

Other than using their cannon and torpedo, I want to see them punch and kick an enemy, smash an enemy with their anchor or just throw it to an enemy face (I want to see you do that, Ikazuchi), strangle an enemy, etc.

It must be fun to see Wo-class or Ru-class get killed by those methods.

Well, we nearly had such a moment with an elite destroyer trying to eat Fubuki/ramming her under the water before it got shot.

SaintessHeart · 2015-03-01, 22:28

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

Fun fact:

Yamato's shell caliber is actually BIGGER than on paper, which I think is pretty surprising given the accuracy of those babies in spite of the rule of thumb, bigger shell = more dispersion. Explains the penetration though.

This is modelled in the game where she appears flatter than she actually is; this is revealed when Yamato receives quite a bit of damage.

Even more fun fact:

Takatatsu Ayana, the voice of Yamato, is a Cute-type idol who is really embarrassed of her humongous E-class assets and often dressed in ways to make them appear smaller.

But she always voice lolis. Yamato is her first role as a proper lady.

Ithekro · 2015-03-02, 01:56

Azunya as Yamato.

Marcus H. · 2015-03-04, 07:31

Anyone wanna bet on how many pois are gonna poi next episode?

2015-02-22, 03:42	Link #41
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Techincally all the destroyers save the Mutsuki-class ships, are Fubuki's juniors. All the ships that Fubuki is looking up to in the anime were all built before her. The Kongo sisters are the 1910s. The Nagato sisters are 1920. The Sendai sisters were built around 1925. Akagi and Kaga were finished not long before Fubuki was built 1928. Shoukaku and Zuikaku are the ones built by 1941, but Fubuki doesn't seem to look up to Zuikaku. The (outdated) list of the ship in history. Completion and sinking dates. http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1553...gs=tatsumi_rei (The list is over a year old so several shipgirls have been added since then) __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2015-02-22 at 03:54.

2015-02-23, 15:36	Link #46
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	The "decisive battle" was Japan's tactic for dealing with the expected American push across the Pacific as detailed in the American's Plan Orange (strategic plan to fight Japan based on if Japan invaded the Philippines). When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and crippled the old battleship fleet, Plan Orange went out the window along with some of the old school admirals. The new American fast battleships didn't start arriving in the Pacific until after Midway. By that time, the main weapon was to be the aircraft carrier, so the battleship was detailed to escort them, or at least be nearby. USS Washington and USS South Dakota engaged Kirishima in the Solomons. They would have engaged Hiei as well, but she had been sunk the a day or two before after fighting US cruisers and destroyers. The older US battleships (what few were functional before Midway) were used to defend the American West Coast in case the Japanese managed to get past Hawaii. After Midway they were regrouped as more and more were repaired and sent on shore bombardment missions as the Americans island hopped towards Japan, rather that the big push the Japanese expected from Plan Orange. The older ships in action would the the remaining Nevada-class (USS Nevada), remaining Pennsylvania-class (USS Pennsylvania), the New Mexico-class (USS New Mexico, USS Mississippi, and USS Idaho), and Tennessee-class (USS Tennessee and USS California), and the Colorado-class (three of the Big Seven: USS Colorado, USS Maryland, and USS West Virginia) The other three active old battleships were usually in the Atlantic until late in the war. The one remaining combat active Wyoming-class (USS Arkansas), and the New York-class (USS New York and USS Texas). USS Wyoming was a training ship during the war. __________________

2015-02-23, 20:23	Link #50
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	If that happens, it will be the loss of Akagi, Kaga, and the so far unvoiced Hiryuu and Soryu (both are the same voice actress as Fubuki). Also the barely seen Mikuma. But, with shipgirls fighting at visual range for the most part, Fubuki, Kongo, and Yamato can easily get close enough to deal with however many Wo-class are out there. Plus they would be almost forced to put out Midway Hime, which seems to recent an addition. __________________

2015-03-01, 14:07	Link #54
Marina2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	You know, it would be good if ship girls moment and tactic don't get restricted by the fact that they are based on real warship. Other than using their cannon and torpedo, I want to see them punch and kick an enemy, smash an enemy with their anchor or just throw it to an enemy face (I want to see you do that, Ikazuchi), strangle an enemy, etc. It must be fun to see Wo-class or Ru-class get killed by those methods. __________________

2015-03-01, 16:55	Link #56
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Yamato using a rocket anchor. __________________

2015-02-23, 19:32	Link #47
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	I wonder if we get another shipgirl getting sunk before the series finishes. We don't have that many episodes left. Or will they do the whole 75% SoL now and have the last 2-3 episodes be all gritty and full of actiony explosion and sunk shipgirls and tons of "NO! Not the 6th Div!!!" feels after making all the girls more likeable due the SoL episodes?

2015-02-23, 20:07	Link #49
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	^No! Anybody but Kaga!!! D8

2015-02-25, 11:08	Link #53
Jimmy C Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Not to mention all the freighters and transports that were the important targets and what truly drove Japan into resource starvation.

2015-03-02, 01:56	Link #59
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Azunya as Yamato. __________________

2015-03-04, 07:31	Link #60
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