Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 24 [END] Discussion / Poll

[D a m i e n]

come on people the end with shana smiling while yoshida cries is cristal clear, it s obvious he first went to shana to apologize and tell her he prefered yoshida before going for yoshida to spend his Xmass evening.
they only showed the shana smile /yoshida tears cause they though everyone would understand.

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep24:

As expected of the last episode, exciting and well done/animated.

Like I thought, Silver ended up coming alive to fight (kind of).

None of the Bal Masque are killed, though Silver is gone now.
Glad to see Fumina come back and do something, even if she pretty much still is gone. Though I wish Hecate died and she came back. Fumina~~~~ Wahh~~~!

Pretty sad to see Kazumi lose, since I preferred her over Shana (yeah, I said it!). Though if there is one saving thought (to Kazumi fans), it's that Shana's "win" is merely "hinted" and that there isn't actually any physical proof. And in anime, you know what that means.

Anyways, love the episode, and it was a good series.

Time to wait for the favorite characters thread and final impressions.
Please have Fumina and Hecate as separate characters in the favorite characters thread.

Spoiler for ep 24:

I'm also sad to see Kazumi "lose" not only because I like her better then Shana, it's also because Kazumi "losing" in that way is also another deviation from the novels

Though the ending in essence wasn't bad per say. It changed some very important elements of Sliver that are key factors in the 16th Novel. Also they changed what Bal Masque main ideals were about.

Though here's something I really really want to know:

Why the fuck did J.C put ***'s Black flames in the opining if they weren't even going to use him?

[Owaranai Destiny]

Originally Posted by D a m i e n

come on people the end with shana smiling while yoshida cries is cristal clear, it s obvious he first went to shana to apologize and tell her he prefered yoshida before going for yoshida to spend his Xmass evening.
they only showed the shana smile /yoshida tears cause they though everyone would understand.

How did you come across that idea?

Even the smallest piece of evidence would be nice, thank you.

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Spoiler for ep 24:

I'm also sad to see Kazumi "lose" not only because I like her better then Shana, it's also because Kazumi "losing" in that way is also another deviation from the novels

Though the ending in essence wasn't bad per say. It changed some very important elements of Sliver that are key factors in the 16th Novel. Also they changed what Bal Masque main ideals were about.

Though here's something I really really want to know:

Why the fuck did J.C put ***'s Black flames in the opining if they weren't even going to use him?

I gather you're more interested in the novels.

That's a given, though. I suppose the novels provide a fuller story and more well-developed sub-plots as well as the main plot itself.

Just one thing to answer your question: Not everything in the OP is used in the series itself.

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

I gather you're more interested in the novels.

That's a given, though. I suppose the novels provide a fuller story and more well-developed sub-plots as well as the main plot itself.

Just one thing to answer your question: Not everything in the OP is used in the series itself.

Well I did read the novels first before watching the Anime

[D a m i e n]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

How did you come across that idea?

Even the smallest piece of evidence would be nice, thank you.

it was sarcasm, if anyone still had anydoubt about the yujixshana ending. i guess i should use some smiley next time i use sarcasm

[Owaranai Destiny]

Originally Posted by D a m i e n

it was sarcasm, if anyone still had anydoubt about the yujixshana ending. i guess i should use some smiley next time i use sarcasm

You ought to, since people don't know what kind of a tone you use in your wording sometimes.

I'd agree that the last few scenes would be as what most people consider the outcome of the love triangle to be. In that sense, there's some form of closure, though I have no doubt that most people would consider themselves being cheated of a 'real ending' with a 'proper closure'. Personally, though, I'm not very supportive of it, and J.C might actually dig yet another grave for themselves with that kind of an ending with the anime fans of SnS.

[CapoExecutor]

Anime original before going to the novels then going back to anime original. That's the second season going to heaven in a handbasket.

Things have improved in the final episode but this second season has suffered the same treatment that the stereotype sequels tend to endure when noted to be inferior to the original predecessors.



Konoe: Well, this is it, my good friend. Hold me.
Hecate and Konoe hug each other as the Silver explodes in the background.

[teelotes]

Originally Posted by D a m i e n

come on people the end with shana smiling while yoshida cries is cristal clear, it s obvious he first went to shana to apologize and tell her he prefered yoshida before going for yoshida to spend his Xmass evening.
they only showed the shana smile /yoshida tears cause they though everyone would understand.

I like the idea, but it's something that'll only appear in Kasumi-tan special.

Actually some visual novels have a third option, where the player doesn't choose any option. I believe Yuji would have done that. Kasumi cried and went over to Shana, where upon seeing Kasumi, was overjoyed that she has understood and treasured their friendship over that indecisive baka, and both girls went to celebrate Christmas together.

[DX HBK]

One question: The Reiji Maigo had a Keeper on it so wouldn't Yuji be harmed when he took it back with his bare hand?

[teelotes]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

How did you come across that idea?

Even the smallest piece of evidence would be nice, thank you.



I gather you're more interested in the novels.

That's a given, though. I suppose the novels provide a fuller story and more well-developed sub-plots as well as the main plot itself.

Just one thing to answer your question: Not everything in the OP is used in the series itself.

Relax there... no need to get so worked up I can't help it but poke fun at the ending too.

As for the black flames, I guess it's just some misunderstanding. As pointed out in another thread, the scene was for Yuji getting "killed" in his own dream and coming out of it, shown in the first few episodes of the season, so it has indeed appeared in the series. However, J.C. Staff's choice of colour for that illustration could have been better, as black is symbolic in another sense.

[teelotes]

Originally Posted by DX HBK

One question: The Reiji Maigo had a Keeper on it so wouldn't Yuji be harmed when he took it back with his bare hand?

Spoiler for Episode 20-21:

Hasn't it been removed so it could be extracted by Hecate? And (I'm guessing here) that's Sabrac's main objective for the fight, to remove the Keeper that he casted.

[alvinkhorfire]

Spoiler for Episode 24:

About Kazumi cried and Shana smiles, it does not really mean that Yuji has chosen Shana. Probably as yuji's footprints disappeared, he was unable to make a choice. Remember at the end of Episode 24 in season 1, there is a scene where Shana is smiling at us. So, I think that Shana's smiling is just a way to say this season has ended.

I can't believe that Shana and Wilhelmina could not provide much resistance to Sydonay and Hecate. At least, I thought that they could even fight evenly. But, I was wrong. It it was not a slip by Hecate, they don't stand a chance to defeat the statue of pride. But the most memorable moment is when Yuji and Shana works together to defeat Silver. More scenes of Yuji and Shana working together, please.

[teelotes]

Originally Posted by alvinkhorfire

Spoiler for Episode 24:

About Kazumi cried and Shana smiles, it does not really mean that Yuji has chosen Shana. Probably as yuji's footprints disappeared, he was unable to make a choice. Remember at the end of Episode 24 in season 1, there is a scene where Shana is smiling at us. So, I think that Shana's smiling is just a way to say this season has ended.

I can't believe that Shana and Wilhelmina could not provide much resistance to Sydonay and Hecate. At least, I thought that they could even fight evenly. But, I was wrong. It it was not a slip by Hecate, they don't stand a chance to defeat the statue of pride.

Spoiler for Season 1, just in case:

Is the smile before or after Tenpa Josai? I remember her smiling, that's when she said something to Yuji (he didn't catch it). She's facing "us" when she said that, if I remember correctly.

I have the impression Sydonay would be on-par, then I remember that he had rarely fought a full battle. He mostly ended up running away since the conditions weren't favourable to him as a contractor of services to other Tomogaras. And that makes me wonder why is he moonlighting when he's part of the Trinity of Bal Masque.

[alvinkhorfire]

Spoiler for for Shana smiling in Season 1:

Shana smiles at 24.40 minutes at the end of Episode 24 in season 1 when she is running. That is after Yuji states that " we will continue walking as always... an inch from where the world gets dislocated "

Spoiler for Sydonay moonlighting:

Sydonay is moonlighting and become the bodyguard of other tomogara. That is when he is trying to look for Reiji Maigo, he basically fill up his time by become the bodyguard. I think that from what I read from other posts in the forum, it was not mentioned what he gets in return, POE or something else. Perhaps somebody else can offer better explanation than mine.

I think that this is the first time they put the episode title in the middle of the episode.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by DeotoxSlayer

Spoiler:

Is seriously doubt that Shana actually won, when they make a season 3 they'll make up an excuse for Kazumi being slightly weepy

Spoiler for Agreeing with you:

Im agreeing with you just seeing her cry is not enough to determine that Yuuji made a choice. Till i see and actual here him pick one i wont believe it. Given the fact that i dont hate Kazumi or Shana i dont mind either one. I know the Kazumi haters are probably crying their eyes out after this episode because she didnt die and for some reason that brings me more pleasure than the episode its self, sorry i just hate shippers they usually ruin a forum once their left to run wild.

[Stretch5920]

a lot of shippers in denial in this thread.

[Devard]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Spoiler for ep 24:

Why the fuck did J.C put ***'s Black flames in the opining if they weren't even going to use him?

Eh, they do it all the time. Look at Fate stay/night's second opening. I stopped falling into these "traps" a while ago.

[Malintex_Terek]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Spoiler for ep 24:

Why the fuck did J.C put ***'s Black flames in the opining if they weren't even going to use him?

LOL JC STAFF.

Spoiler for F/SN spoiler:

Studio DEEN pulled the same stunt when Archer died; they put in a whole UBW sequence in the OP as if to say, "stick around this anime will be UBW in the end afterall!" only to take a dump on the script and smear it across our computer screens.

Horrible route was horrible. It wasn't that great in the visual novel either - Saber's just too pet-like.

[Whitemoon648]

Originally Posted by D a m i e n

come on people the end with shana smiling while yoshida cries is cristal clear, it s obvious he first went to shana to apologize and tell her he prefered yoshida before going for yoshida to spend his Xmass evening.
they only showed the shana smile /yoshida tears cause they though everyone would understand.

LOL, One could look at it that way, But i doubt it .

Originally Posted by D a m i e n

it was sarcasm, if anyone still had anydoubt about the yujixshana ending. i guess i should use some smiley next time i use sarcasm

hehe, I thought it was crystal clear that You were not being saracastic .

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Spoiler for Agreeing with you:

Im agreeing with you just seeing her cry is not enough to determine that Yuuji made a choice. Till i see and actual here him pick one i wont believe it. Given the fact that i dont hate Kazumi or Shana i dont mind either one. I know the Kazumi haters are probably crying their eyes out after this episode because she didnt die and for some reason that brings me more pleasure than the episode its self, sorry i just hate shippers they usually ruin a forum once their left to run wild.

Well they had a good approach. I mean if they wanted to end the series, they wrapped it up good. And if they wanted to continue the whole thing in a new season then they still have opening to do so.

I am not taking any one's side here. I like them both, But this whole thing has to be resolved at some point. Well so far , since we dont have a season 3, then i think we know who was the real winner.

[FiREwing]

I finally thought the stupid triangle would be over. Now with all the Kazumi fans and neautral people thinking otherwise makes me uneasy on what actually happened.