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Yirba · 2011-12-25, 07:03

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Originally Posted by CrimsonMoonMist

I've just gotten around to buying Mangagamer's version now that Umineko's done,
and I've been wondering as I've heard that their version is somewhat lacking majorly because of the music and sound replacements
(which I'm aware can be fixed somewhat through patching),
But what about the translation itself? If it's particulary bad, is this to the point where it ruins the story's immersion?
For example, if I could either read the Sound Novel or the Manga,
would the Manga actually be the better alternative in this case?

Apart from the occasional typo, I didn't think MangaGamer's translation was too bad. The translation was done during the time when MG were trying to improve their translation quality, so it does improve over the course of Higurashi.

It's certainly not as good as Witch Hunt's translation, but it's not as terrible as everyone says it is. There've been far, far worse…

I'd recommend the sound novel over the manga, since although it is a good adaptation, the manga doesn't manage to quite capture the mood of the original.

risingstar3110 · 2012-01-06, 08:03

Asked on the music thread,but maybe i should ask here as well:

What is the name of the soundtrack in the very end of Higurashi Kai when

Spoiler for ending spoiler:

And write on my wall/ visitor message if you will be so kind

PBsaffran · 2012-01-06, 13:53

That particuliar scene starts with "liberating", then comes "t1". The final music is called "utage_sample".

risingstar3110 · 2012-01-07, 00:56

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Originally Posted by PBsaffran

That particuliar scene starts with "liberating", then comes "t1". The final music is called "utage_sample".

Thank, but i forgot to mention that i want the name of the soundtrack during that screen in the last episode of Higurashi Kai anime, rather than SN. Many sorry for the misunderstanding

So anyone know what is that soundtrack anme?

Golden Witch Drugs · 2012-01-14, 19:06

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Thank, but i forgot to mention that i want the name of the soundtrack during that screen in the last episode of Higurashi Kai anime, rather than SN. Many sorry for the misunderstanding

So anyone know what is that soundtrack anme?

I'm pretty sure it's this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HJ_i4ZY_9w

risingstar3110 · 2012-01-14, 22:52

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Originally Posted by Golden Witch Drugs

I'm pretty sure it's this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HJ_i4ZY_9w

Thank, i think it's Shiawase. Still looking for the sadder tone version of that screen through, but it's a good lead to start with

risingstar3110 · 2012-01-19, 07:52

I found the actual song i was looking for. It's the same album with Shiawase, but its name is "Sei"

Golden Witch Drugs · 2012-02-07, 08:57

For a while I've been curious as to a question that have been bugging me a bit lately. I was just curious as to where Hanyuu came from when they first approached Onigafuchi? I know she was what they called a "demon", but I was never sure where her clan came from as I haven't read either Kotohogushi-hen or Miotsukushi-hen, and haven't really found anything on the internet either about it.

I've read a few theories, or claims or whatever like "Yeah, she's an alien that came from space" or "She's a demon, so she naturally came from hell." But I really don't know what to believe, considering her powers it actually wouldn't suprise me if she came landing with an UFO.

Anyways, I might just be overthinking it, but I'm fairly curious. If anyone has an answer to it, well, thanks.

Guernsey · 2012-02-07, 14:11

Are there two Bernkastels?

Yirba · 2012-02-07, 15:09

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Originally Posted by Guernsey

Are there two Bernkastels?

Well, there's a Bernkastel in Higurashi and there's one in Umineko… It's widely believed that they are two separate characters, though that has never been proven.

Ithekro · 2012-02-07, 15:35

Well it also depends on how one views the multiple timelines and universes. There could be infinite Bernkastels, though most would be pieces of one witch or another.

RandomAvatarFan · 2012-02-07, 17:08

I always imagined that they were the same person. Here's my opinion on it:

Spoiler for End of Higurashi stuff:

It's really more or less open to speculation and never explained outright, it's just implied.

Dante of the Inferno · 2012-02-08, 02:25

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Well it also depends on how one views the multiple timelines and universes. There could be infinite Bernkastels, though most would be pieces of one witch or another.

But since Bernkastel can bounce around the multiverse, having infinite Bernkastels implies a multiverse of multiverses. Isn't that getting to be a little too meta?

Ithekro · 2012-02-08, 03:19

Umineko would seem to imply that you can get too meta by having a meta over your meta which might have a meta over that. Within Higurashi, Rika doesn't have that isses, though evidence from Umineko again suggests that there are meta issues to Higurashi, but they are implied only and have little known effect on the story as we see it.

But also that Bern and other witches seem able to make pieces even of themselves, and these pieces can and sometimes do act as if they are the original....thus it is possible to have more than one at a time.

Also it it possible that Bern was normal in some games and thus technically still in those games...somewhere, much like there are multiple Rikas, both before and sometimes after a Bernkastel or Dark Rika is present (depending on ones point of view of who or what Dark Rika is). The Rika of one time does not leave her time...but one Rika jumps into an existing one's body....or at least that is what is seems like with the repeats getting shorter and all. Dark Rika (or maybe Bernkastel) doesn't relive all of the new Rika's life...just that June in 1983, so therefore there are multiple Rikas. But then it stands to reason that there may be multiple Bernkastel...just one needs to know where to look. And Bern's not telling.

Guernsey · 2012-02-08, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Golden Witch Drugs

For a while I've been curious as to a question that have been bugging me a bit lately. I was just curious as to where Hanyuu came from when they first approached Onigafuchi? I know she was what they called a "demon", but I was never sure where her clan came from as I haven't read either Kotohogushi-hen or Miotsukushi-hen, and haven't really found anything on the internet either about it.

I've read a few theories, or claims or whatever like "Yeah, she's an alien that came from space" or "She's a demon, so she naturally came from hell." But I really don't know what to believe, considering her powers it actually wouldn't suprise me if she came landing with an UFO.

Anyways, I might just be overthinking it, but I'm fairly curious. If anyone has an answer to it, well, thanks.

I too am bothered by this, where did Hanyuu come from?

Ithekro · 2012-02-08, 16:37

A witch did it.....?

Golden Witch Drugs · 2012-02-09, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

A witch did it.....?

Probably. Still, Hanyuu is probably the only mystery I'm still curious about, since we didn't get too much information on her past in either the games (excluding the PS3 and DS) or in the anime. I mean, you do get the obvious things said about her "She's a demon with superpowers" "She's Oyashiro-sama" and so on, but I've always been more curious about her past than what was revealed in Saikoroshi-hen.

Guess I better learn to read kanji to 100% and go buy the ds game.

Kantoku · 2012-02-09, 18:23

I've yet to find the time to read Kotohogushi, but if I recall correctly from what I heard from others and from the JP wiki, Hanyuu's origin / past isn't that remarkable besides the fact that she and her tribe migrated to Hinamizawa / Onigafuchi, but the tribe's sudden migration didn't sit well with many of the villagers, and the horns only made things worse (which is also what spawned the demon legend). When she died after being killed by Ouka, she became a god and her existence was solidified by the prayers of the people.

As for Bernkastel, didn't it say in Matsuribayashi-hen that Frederica Bernkastel was originally just a collection of Rika's despair from numerous kakeras sitting around in the metaworld? I interpreted what Rika said in Rei as that she'll cut off her connection with Frederica Bernkastel (of Higurashi. "I'll no longer be the witch Bernkastel", or something like that), and then Frederica ascended and became the witch, Bernkastel, of Umineko, since by the end of Rei the story is finished and she has no reason to stick around. That way, Bernkastel can declare herself as a separate existence from Rika, and also why she is nothing but gloom.

Oblivion · 2012-02-09, 20:19

I'm curious as to why Rika still is able to use her deep voice even though she separated from Bernkastel?

Joly · 2012-02-09, 20:36

I've skimmed through Kotohogushi-hen, but sadly I don't understand a huge chunk of it. I do recall sometime during the beginning of Masturibayashi-hen (sound novel), Rika also mentions that Hanyuu's tribe was traveling around.

I thought the deep Rika voice thing was something the anime and CD drama just added in to make the change of personality more noticeable. I don't recall in the novels any description describing something like "suddenly... Rika's voice got deeper!" Even in one of the Pieces, Irie mentions that Rika's voice remains the same.

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risingstar3110 ✘˵╹◡╹˶✘ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia	Asked on the music thread,but maybe i should ask here as well: What is the name of the soundtrack in the very end of Higurashi Kai when Spoiler for ending spoiler: Bernkastel visit the little Takano? And write on my wall/ visitor message if you will be so kind __________________

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risingstar3110 ✘˵╹◡╹˶✘ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia	I found the actual song i was looking for. It's the same album with Shiawase, but its name is "Sei" __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Well it also depends on how one views the multiple timelines and universes. There could be infinite Bernkastels, though most would be pieces of one witch or another. __________________

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RandomAvatarFan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	I always imagined that they were the same person. Here's my opinion on it: Spoiler for End of Higurashi stuff: I imagine Bernkastel of Umineko to be the same one of Higurashi. Bernkastel was the Rika within the Kakera or something similar to that. It's really more or less open to speculation and never explained outright, it's just implied. __________________ Without love this picture cannot be seen.

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PBsaffran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: France	That particuliar scene starts with "liberating", then comes "t1". The final music is called "utage_sample".

2012-02-07, 08:57	Link #1828
Golden Witch Drugs しゆあげいん。 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Rokkenjima stage	For a while I've been curious as to a question that have been bugging me a bit lately. I was just curious as to where Hanyuu came from when they first approached Onigafuchi? I know she was what they called a "demon", but I was never sure where her clan came from as I haven't read either Kotohogushi-hen or Miotsukushi-hen, and haven't really found anything on the internet either about it. I've read a few theories, or claims or whatever like "Yeah, she's an alien that came from space" or "She's a demon, so she naturally came from hell." But I really don't know what to believe, considering her powers it actually wouldn't suprise me if she came landing with an UFO. Anyways, I might just be overthinking it, but I'm fairly curious. If anyone has an answer to it, well, thanks.

2012-02-08, 03:19	Link #1834
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Umineko would seem to imply that you can get too meta by having a meta over your meta which might have a meta over that. Within Higurashi, Rika doesn't have that isses, though evidence from Umineko again suggests that there are meta issues to Higurashi, but they are implied only and have little known effect on the story as we see it. But also that Bern and other witches seem able to make pieces even of themselves, and these pieces can and sometimes do act as if they are the original....thus it is possible to have more than one at a time. Also it it possible that Bern was normal in some games and thus technically still in those games...somewhere, much like there are multiple Rikas, both before and sometimes after a Bernkastel or Dark Rika is present (depending on ones point of view of who or what Dark Rika is). The Rika of one time does not leave her time...but one Rika jumps into an existing one's body....or at least that is what is seems like with the repeats getting shorter and all. Dark Rika (or maybe Bernkastel) doesn't relive all of the new Rika's life...just that June in 1983, so therefore there are multiple Rikas. But then it stands to reason that there may be multiple Bernkastel...just one needs to know where to look. And Bern's not telling. __________________

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	A witch did it.....? __________________

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Kantoku 見ぬが花 Join Date: Jan 2011	I've yet to find the time to read Kotohogushi, but if I recall correctly from what I heard from others and from the JP wiki, Hanyuu's origin / past isn't that remarkable besides the fact that she and her tribe migrated to Hinamizawa / Onigafuchi, but the tribe's sudden migration didn't sit well with many of the villagers, and the horns only made things worse (which is also what spawned the demon legend). When she died after being killed by Ouka, she became a god and her existence was solidified by the prayers of the people. As for Bernkastel, didn't it say in Matsuribayashi-hen that Frederica Bernkastel was originally just a collection of Rika's despair from numerous kakeras sitting around in the metaworld? I interpreted what Rika said in Rei as that she'll cut off her connection with Frederica Bernkastel (of Higurashi. "I'll no longer be the witch Bernkastel", or something like that), and then Frederica ascended and became the witch, Bernkastel, of Umineko, since by the end of Rei the story is finished and she has no reason to stick around. That way, Bernkastel can declare herself as a separate existence from Rika, and also why she is nothing but gloom.

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Oblivion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	I'm curious as to why Rika still is able to use her deep voice even though she separated from Bernkastel?

2012-02-09, 20:36	Link #1840
Joly モエカステル Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: カケラの海	I've skimmed through Kotohogushi-hen, but sadly I don't understand a huge chunk of it. I do recall sometime during the beginning of Masturibayashi-hen (sound novel), Rika also mentions that Hanyuu's tribe was traveling around. I thought the deep Rika voice thing was something the anime and CD drama just added in to make the change of personality more noticeable. I don't recall in the novels any description describing something like "suddenly... Rika's voice got deeper!" Even in one of the Pieces, Irie mentions that Rika's voice remains the same.