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[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

I told you, if you're not gonna rely on Hayasui's drums, you're gonna need some lucky rolls for yasen because of the boss high armor. It's common to even see people failing to kill the boss when the boss is the ONLY one alive at 50+ hp left because of how much damage penalty you suffer on top of the ridiculous armor hence I advocate for retries.

Oh and I forgot to answer about my LBA(just realised). I copied the dude's nuke setup faithfully and just ram my head till it works :|

The setup is here: http://i.imgur.com/VLhM203.jpg

The problem is I was running Hayasui during pre-last dance and also was never even come this close to killing boss. And it's consumables so you can't depend on it if you can't clear it within 3-4 tries. In my case, bloody hell, probably 15? 20 times facing boss on Last Dance already. It's just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

There is this thing called RNG... You do know that sometimes you are unlucky, sometimes is just your setup. From what I see its RNG, since well... I see your last 2 ships getting chuuha'd...

Recover your sanity first, take a deep breath, and then go again. (I don't think you want to drop difficulty anyway, so just calm down and rest first.)

Thank, I think I will take half a day off and doing my works, I am gonna burn through fuel much faster than time run out at this rate anyway. Start last dance at 125k fuel. Now already down to 70k

Now I am half thinking about downsize my whole fleet and depend more on air strike RNG . But on the other hand. I don't know if the trade off worth it, considering the 2 Yamato apparently need much less repair. And more reliable during normal node.


What I afraid is what if the system really bugged me out. Because frankly this is too ridiculous. I think every other event I will be in agony if the boss has like 100/500 hp remained. Here 1/900? 27/900? 27/900? It's just so unreal.

Maybe DMM target a portion players here try to get people to quit and ease their bandwith or something. And I'm on their list? Something like that. Which is a freaking ridiculous thought. But my reality is pretty much completely distorted now.

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

What I afraid is what if the system really bugged me out. Because frankly this is too ridiculous. I think every other event I will be in agony if the boss has like 100/500 hp remained. Here 1/900? 27/900? 27/900? It's just so unreal.

Maybe DMM target a portion players here try to get people to quit and ease their bandwith or something. And I'm on their list? Something like that. Which is a freaking ridiculous thought. But my reality is pretty much completely distorted now.

Ok, idk how else to break this to you, so let me say this: You need to stop being salty. You know that's not true and that RNG is just that, RNG. But since you're so desperate, you might as well post your whole setup again for people to check if there's maybe a thing or two to improve after all.

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

In my case, bloody hell, probably 15? 20 times facing boss on Last Dance already. It's just ridiculous.

In this case you have no right to complain. Why? I finished Last Dance after sixty five tries. Himeuta has examples of those hitting sorties in the 80s, and still haven't cleared E7 Hard yet.

So no, I suggest giving the map a break. You're too stressed out to even think straight right now.

[Lantern]

^ Stop believing, stop caring. RNG? Just a figment of imagination. Let it flow.

*goes back to procrastinating E6*

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by Seihai

Ok, idk how else to break this to you, so let me say this: You need to stop being salty. You know that's not true and that RNG is just that, RNG. But since you're so desperate, you might as well post your whole setup again for people to check if there's maybe a thing or two to improve after all.

Yeah. probably may as well doing something productive.

LBA first:

Base 1: 2 Hien, Ryuusei 601, LBA Type 96 (need this one here for range as I don't have Type 21 Skilled fighter)
Base 2: Reppu Kai, Ryuusei 601 x2, LBA Type 1
Base 3: Reppu 601, 3 x LBA Type 1 (include the elite)

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

In this case you have no right to complain. Why? I finished Last Dance after sixty five tries. Himeuta has examples of those hitting sorties in the 80s, and still haven't cleared E7 Hard yet.

So no, I suggest giving the map a break. You're too stressed out to even think straight right now.

The 15-20 times where I make to boss only not the total attempts. As I don't count those

[risingstar3110]

On the actual fleet. All planes are either 6-7 ranks.

• Boss support: 2 DD + Akagi, Kaga, Hyryuu and Katsuragi (all have 3 Ryuusei Kai + 1 Reppu)
• Node support: Hyuuga, Hiei (2 x 35.6cm+10, 2 x Type 32 Radar) Souryuu, Hyryuu (2 Suisei 601, 2 Type 32 radar), 2 DD (3 guns with +1 accuracy)
• Main fleet: AKitsushima (Type 2 flying boat + 2 Ro 44 fighter), Yamato sisters (51 cm guns + 16 inch gun + Type 1 AP Shell + plane), Fusou sisters ( 2 x 41cm Prototype, Type 91 Shell, Zuiun 634), Taihou (3 elite Tenzan, 1 elite Zero)
• Escort fleet: Teruzuki (10cm +AA, 13cm radar Kai, searchlight), Bisma (38cm gun Kai +8, 38cm gun +10, nightplane, Type 3 shell), Kasumi ( 2 x 10cm +AA, Landing 2), Abukuma (2 x OTO 152cm +10, Landing 2), Tone sisters (20.3cm (No3), 20.3cm (No2), share between them 3 WG42+ type 3 Shell)

[Myssa Rei]

Just a rule of thumb for this event: the effects of WGs stack, but WGs and Type 3s don't.

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Just a rule of thumb for this event: the effects of WGs stack, but WGs and Type 3s don't.

Wait, so is there a point to use Type 3 and WGs in the same time?

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Wait, so is there a point to use Type 3 and WGs in the same time?

The only reason why people are putting a WG and Type 3 together (on a CAV usually) is to maximize targeting against multiple installation types. The moment Last Dance happens though, that kind of flies out of the window, as Supply Hime no longer arrives.

And no, it seems that this was only found out at the start of the week, along with how the Ka-Ni tank does x3.5 damage against installations like Center Hime. Plus stacking two WGs only seems to work with Ooyodo anyway...

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Now I am half thinking about downsize my whole fleet and depend more on air strike RNG . But on the other hand. I don't know if the trade off worth it, considering the 2 Yamato apparently need much less repair. And more reliable during normal node.


What I afraid is what if the system really bugged me out. Because frankly this is too ridiculous. I think every other event I will be in agony if the boss has like 100/500 hp remained. Here 1/900? 27/900? 27/900? It's just so unreal.

I suggest you to downsize. The LBA strike is really the main damage dealer. Your fleet's damage can't even compare to it. If your LBA fails to take down some of the escorts, your run is doomed to fail. No contest.

Also, take a break. The boss only had 850hp, not 900.

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

The only reason why people are putting a WG and Type 3 together (on a CAV usually) is to maximize targeting against multiple installation types. The moment Last Dance happens though, that kind of flies out of the window, as Supply Hime no longer arrives.

And no, it seems that this was only found out at the start of the week, along with how the Ka-Ni tank does x3.5 damage against installations like Center Hime.

Er no. The reason why people run Sanshiki and WG42 if they don't have enough WG42 is because WG42 still gives additional 75 firepower AFTER the Sanshiki 2.5x bonus against installations. This is why CAVs beat BBs in yasen against installations.

This is the sole reason why many people ran Sanshiki+WG42 on CAVs

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

I suggest you to downsize. The LBA strike is really the main damage dealer. Your fleet's damage can't even compare to it. If your LBA fails to take down some of the escorts, your run is doomed to fail. No contest.

Also, take a break. The boss only had 850hp, not 900.

I knew it, the system increased my boss max hp to avoid it being killed!!

But yeah joking aside, what is the suitable downsized option? Can you really save that much replacing 2 Yamato with 2 Nagato? Or maybe replacing the CV in node support with CVL? Or not node support even?

My biggest issue is fuel (at 70k). Ammo is at 132k, steel at 177k and bauxite still 207k. While buckets are still 1900. In most event it often my sanity Pts rather than resources that I need to worry about, so I am very inexperienced when it comes to effective resource uses

It seemed the most effective use of fuel now is running Maruyu to rank LBA air fleets. But other than that... don't know atm

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

Er no. The reason why people run Sanshiki and WG42 if they don't have enough WG42 is because WG42 still gives additional 75 firepower AFTER the Sanshiki 2.5x bonus against installations. This is why CAVs beat BBs in yasen against installations.

This is the sole reason why many people ran Sanshiki+WG42 on CAVs

This is what I heard as well, but Myssa Rei just said that it could be newly founded?

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I knew it, the system increased my boss max hp to avoid it being killed!!

But yeah joking aside, what is the suitable downsized option? Can you really save that much replacing 2 Yamato with 2 Nagato? Or maybe replacing the CV in node support with CVL? Or not node support even?

My biggest issue is fuel (at 70k). Ammo is at 132k, steel at 177k and bauxite still 207k. While buckets are still 1900. In most event it often my sanity Pts rather than resources that I need to worry about, so I am very inexperienced when it comes to effective resource uses

It seemed the most effective use of fuel now is running Naruyu to rank LBA air fleets. But other than that... don't know atm

Nagato class is enough. I didn't even bring hotels(except once and fail miserably). Nagato class can hit day cap, the only thing it loses out to hotels are survivability and damage output when chuuha'd. But as I say since LBAs are vital in this, if your LBA fails, even hotels can't save your ass.

As for node support, I didn't bring it to save my resources since from what I see from other people's stream, it doesn't really help much. Rus and Senkan Hime have terrible accuracy in CF maps but if one decides to rekt you, you'll go down anyways(remember the quad Rus in Fall 2015? Many people have trouble with it but I went past it with 0 damage taken, that's how terrible their accuracy is but once they HIT, you're almost sure to go down).

This is what I heard as well, but Myssa Rei just said that it could be newly founded?

Unless he has a jp source that shows testing with proof, I won't take it. Usually these stuff there will be someone who test these stuff and post it.

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

Nagato class is enough. I didn't even bring hotels(except once and fail miserably). Nagato class can hit day cap, the only thing it loses out to hotels are survivability and damage output when chuuha'd. But as I say since LBAs are vital in this, if your LBA fails, even hotels can't save your ass.

As for node support, I didn't bring it to save my resources since from what I see from other people's stream, it doesn't really help much. Rus and Senkan Hime have terrible accuracy in CF maps but if one decides to rekt you, you'll go down anyways(remember the quad Rus in Fall 2015? Many people have trouble with it but I went past it with 0 damage taken, that's how terrible their accuracy is but once they HIT, you're almost sure to go down).



Unless he has a jp source that shows testing with proof, I won't take it. Usually these stuff there will be someone who test these stuff and post it.

Ok, send Hotels back to her island. Checked. And no node support? (probably will use up the spark). No node support means I can run the Expedition 38 (or 5) for fuel too, so it's good.

Is it a good idea to give the 4x41cm prototype to the Nagato, and 4 x 35.6cm+10 for the Fusou? Or should I mix 36cm, 51cm, or 16 inch in?

And any other suggestions? How's about LBA? I probably will try to re-rank the LBA as much as possible, so is the above the best in dealing damage?

Edit: This
Base 1: 2 Hien, Ryuusei 601, LBA Type 96 (need this one here for range as I don't have Type 21 Skilled fighter)
Base 2: Reppu Kai, Ryuusei 601 x2, LBA Type 1
Base 3: Reppu 601, 3 x LBA Type 1 (include the elite)

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

Unless he has a jp source that shows testing with proof, I won't take it. Usually these stuff there will be someone who test these stuff and post it.

I'm a SHE, thank you very much. As for the testing, its from this: http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/User_...amaged_form.29

Go down a bit, and you'll see that the conclusion that the question whether WGs really do much on their own or with a Sanshiki came up by accident: he was actually trying to measure the effectiveness of using the various Daihatsu variants against Center Hime.

[usspaul]

yes yes yes i fucking did i finally beat e-7 hard. im so freaking happy i won and didnt give in to going easy XD

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http://kc3kai.github.io/kancolle-rep...tleplayer.html just load the image there to show replay

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by usspaul

im so freaking happy i won and didnt give in to going easy XD

You still lucked out in that final LBA flight though. But congratulations, ANY clear is to be celebrated in this event.

[usspaul]

lol i was quit surprised with that last bomb attack myself considering that my first and last LBA were wiped out in the last trip to the boss so they their experience was set to defut. Also all 3 of the basses were shot to red as well so i fgured they wouldnt do anything and boom this happens. I was jump histarically when the boss died. E-7 was to me as E-6 was to kakurin. Well at least i dont have to go farming much enless i feel like getting a second yuu

[Lantern]

I'm soooo gonna retire after this event. This game is bad for the heart:





Round started with my own initial airstrike whiffing then support airstrike nuking her with 585.

Best part is that both Henderson (plane wiped out) and Megane Hime (double crit by Oyodo) are disabled.

That's it though. Only manage to take out one artillery imp. Every other Dyson's alive albeit mostly disabled.

Started NB as Me 5.5 (Choukai chuuha) v Central 5, with Central's at 227 HP.

> Tone nuked the green Henderson > Shigure + Kasumi finished off Dyson > Oyodo crit Central but left her at 9 HP (屮゜Д゜)屮


> Last attacker (that CAN damage Central) = chuuha Choukai double attacks Central


1st hit >>> MISS! ( ゜Д゜)

2nd hit >>> HIT! Ψ(ﾟ∀ﾟ)Ψ


*inaudible crazy cheering in the background*





Now, onward to procrastinating E7....

[Ithekro]

So E7 is Hime/Oni Festival?

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1931544

(That was a joke from a year ago...now it is reality. Sort of)

[Azurial]

Originally Posted by Yuu Alseif

But... you can do it on easy, you know.. You have more than enough resources (at least, that's what I think) to finish this event, even though there are only four or five days left. Why did you stockpiled that much then? For the sake of LSC?

actually those resources i stockpile was suppose to be waste on the winter event but i didnt have the time to do it i can barely play back then and the resources havent been spend ever since and i have no motivation to do this event hell i dont even like Iowa....there can only be ONE engrish bitch in my fleet not more than one XD so i'll wait for an event that will motivate me to clear it. so discussion end and Congratz to the ppl who clear it and have a nice day <3