Code Geass (Generic discussion thread)

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by hero147

Lol....What kind of a mother comforts their 17~18 year old son like that? Isn't that a little too close? Moreover, what kind of mom kisses their son on the lips? Freaky and powerful stuff....

Actually, the kisses C.C. gave Lelouch served a purpose. This surprised me as well and I felt a little stupid for not realizing it myself.
Koshimizu posted something from one of the source books. It shows that C.C. kissed Lelouch to copy his memories and store them in the World of C. This seemed to be a countermeasure in case he was captured by Charles. She knew he could alter memories.
The kiss at the beginning of R2 was to download those implanted memories.
Koshimizu posted an image from that book. Wish I would of saved it now. I checked the translation as well.

I do remember that in both of those kisses his eyes were wide open in shock.

Originally Posted by Narona

Haha, so true

Well, I wonder if some contraceptive methods exist in Code Geass. ^^

I would say maybe more than 6 months ^^

Add in the two month time skip plus the added week or so before Villetta would of realized she was pregnant. Odds are it wasn't planned since they never got married until after he was freed. She might not of realized it for a bit.

[blottyparchment]

Is this the right thread for this? It's about the 2nd picture drama

The 2nd picture drama is about the KoR. It's rather a serious one. I haven't properly watched the picture drama but it's before Suzaku's formal introduction as a KoR. This is what I was able to piece together:

Spoiler for picture drama 2 - Turn 0.56:

- Suzaku, Gino, Anya, and Cecile are talking on the battlefield, just right after Britannia's victory against EU.
- Cecile is recording a report and gives a rather generous account of Suzaku's prowess. Suzaku tells Cecile that she doesn't have to praise him like that. Gino and Anya disagree.
- Suzaku hears the voice of a young girl. They run off towards the direction of the voice. They find a girl hiding in rubble. She's been estranged from her father. Suzaku offers to help the girl find him. He tells Cecile to contact the Avalon to bring him the Lancelot.
- The girl sees the Lancelot and shouts out, "You murderer!" She even goes further to say that Suzaku is a demon.
- Anya (I'm not too sure of this) hits the girl. She draws her gun. Gino says that in the battlefield, the weak lose against the strong. Suzaku protests, saying that's why the strong have to protect the weak.
- A envoy from the emperor arrives. They inform Suzaku of his formal induction ceremony as a KoR and they are to present his jewel (I think this is referring to the KoR badge) and the title of 'Kishin' to Suzaku.
- Gino and Anya ask about Kishin (translation: 'fierce God'). Suzaku explains that in Japanese, it is literally Demon God, a name fitting for him.
- Cecile asks if it's alright with Suzaku to appear at his formal introduction. Suzaku says yes and entrusts the matter of the girl to Cecile. He also says that even if he is hated, it is fine with him. Being able to save the girl is enough for him.

If I have time, I might expand on it.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

Actually, the kisses C.C. gave Lelouch served a purpose. This surprised me as well and I felt a little stupid for not realizing it myself.
Koshimizu posted something from one of the source books. It shows that C.C. kissed Lelouch to copy his memories and store them in the World of C. This seemed to be a countermeasure in case he was captured by Charles. She knew he could alter memories.
The kiss at the beginning of R2 was to download those implanted memories.
Koshimizu posted an image from that book. Wish I would of saved it now. I checked the translation as well.

I do remember that in both of those kisses his eyes were wide open in shock.

Yup, and mostly everyone know that ^^. What is criticized sometimes is that we don't know if it's the only way to make memories transfers/seals. Because if another method exists, she could have avoided to kiss her "son" <_<

[thedonkiluminati]

Always found it strange for anyone to describe their relationship as like that of a mother and son. Always seemed like a married couple with their bickering (to me anyways).

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by Narona

Yup, and mostly everyone know that ^^. What is criticized sometimes is that we don't know if it's the only way to make memories transfers/seals. Because if another method exists, she could have avoided to kiss her "son" <_<

Well, I doubt making a complete backup of someone memories and storing them in another world is something that could easily be done by touch.

Still I think Lelouch is a little rude for not closing his eyes. Though who knows what it feels like having ones memories copied and downloaded.

I think it's about the persons intent. Is a kiss like that really bad if no sexual intent is there?
I have a scene in the story I'm making. The mother is going away on a long trip. She has a small son and she has to leave him at home. She gives him a deep and long kiss. To anyone observing it looks odd, but in fact what she was doing is an ancient ritual from her culture. She's literally breathing part of her life into her son to act as a level of magical protection.
It has nothing to do with anything sexual. It's just an act of love to her child.
Sort of like breast feeding. There isn't anything sexual about that though it is an intimate act.

Not that I'm trying to argue that C.C.'s feelings for Leluoch were more maternal then romantic. Just pointing out my views.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

Well, I doubt making a complete backup of someone memories and storing them in another world is something that could easily be done by touch.

Still I think Lelouch is a little rude for not closing his eyes. Though who knows what it feels like having ones memories copied and downloaded.

Well, we can't see if he closed his eyes or not IIRC. Since we see only the beginning of the kisses (he keeps his eyes open) but not the end (maybe he closed them during the kiss). (I don't know if my explanation is good XD). My point was that when kallen kissed him, we saw the entire scene, while in the case of c.c. it switches to something else in lelouch's mind (in R2), and the scene is cut iirc in stage 25. (I am not sure, so feel free to correct me if i am wrong)

I think it's about the persons intent. Is a kiss like that really bad if no sexual intent is there?
I have a scene in the story I'm making. The mother is going away on a long trip. She has a small son and she has to leave him at home. She gives him a deep and long kiss. To anyone observing it looks odd, but in fact what she was doing is an ancient ritual from her culture. She's literally breathing part of her life into her son to act as a level of magical protection.
It has nothing to do with anything sexual. It's just an act of love to her child.
Sort of like breast feeding. There isn't anything sexual about that though it is an intimate act.

Not that I'm trying to argue that C.C.'s feelings for Leluoch were more maternal then romantic. Just pointing out my views.

Don't worry :O

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by Narona

Well, we can't see if he closed his eyes or not IIRC. Since we see only the beginning of the kisses (he keeps his eyes open) but not the end (maybe he closed them during the kiss). (I don't know if my explanation is good XD). My point was that when kallen kissed him, we saw the entire scene, while in the case of c.c. it switches to something else in lelouch's mind (in R2), and the scene is cut iirc in stage 25. (I am not sure, so feel free to correct me if i am wrong)

That C.C. kiss was in the flashes of memories, but it was flashed by awfully fast. It was also a plot point in the story. It just didn't get a long a pause as many other moments did. Rolo's memory got the longest pause of any of them.
I was expecting C.C. to appear more in that memory flash then she did.
I went over that scene time and again and wrote down all the pauses.
I didn't count that shirt shot of Shirley. I don't think you can call that a pause since that's where it started.
Kallen did sort of have another appearance in that memory flash. It was when she was in that costume and swallowed Lelouch's head while Shirley was trying to talk with him. That went by incredibly fast.

I never really bought that Lelouch had deep romantic feelings for Shirley. Even Shirley knew he was lying when he said he liked her to explain that (Sayako) kiss. That was just the most logical response to explain the action.
I think her death was far more traumatic to Lelouch, because she was an innocent. She had no place in the fight, but still lost her father and her life because of it. I'm sure if that had been Milly or Rivals it would of effected him just as hard.

Point in fact I still hold Suzaku partly responsible for Shirley's death. He should of made sure she was taken away before he rushed in and tried to take control of everything. He was responsible for her safety last.

[hero147]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

Well, I doubt making a complete backup of someone memories and storing them in another world is something that could easily be done by touch.

Still I think Lelouch is a little rude for not closing his eyes. Though who knows what it feels like having ones memories copied and downloaded.

I think it's about the persons intent. Is a kiss like that really bad if no sexual intent is there?
I have a scene in the story I'm making. The mother is going away on a long trip. She has a small son and she has to leave him at home. She gives him a deep and long kiss. To anyone observing it looks odd, but in fact what she was doing is an ancient ritual from her culture. She's literally breathing part of her life into her son to act as a level of magical protection.
It has nothing to do with anything sexual. It's just an act of love to her child.
Sort of like breast feeding. There isn't anything sexual about that though it is an intimate act.

Not that I'm trying to argue that C.C.'s feelings for Leluoch were more maternal then romantic. Just pointing out my views.

That's not what Lelouch thought about it. As I remember, Lelouch started worrying about CC at that moment, when CC let him off out of the Gawain. I can't see that CCxLelouch is maternal, since here, in Canada, it's actually quite natural for a couple to comfort and be there for each other.

[Narona]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

That C.C. kiss was in the flashes of memories, but it was flashed by awfully fast. It was also a plot point in the story. It just didn't get a long a pause as many other moments did. Rolo's memory got the longest pause of any of them.
I was expecting C.C. to appear more in that memory flash then she did.
I went over that scene time and again and wrote down all the pauses.
I didn't count that shirt shot of Shirley. I don't think you can call that a pause since that's where it started.
Kallen did sort of have another appearance in that memory flash. It was when she was in that costume and swallowed Lelouch's head while Shirley was trying to talk with him. That went by incredibly fast.

Re read what I wrote please. I was not talking about the flashbacks in turn 25 ^^

I never really bought that Lelouch had deep romantic feelings for Shirley. Even Shirley knew he was lying when he said he liked her to explain that (Sayako) kiss. That was just the most logical response to explain the action.
I think her death was far more traumatic to Lelouch, because she was an innocent. She had no place in the fight, but still lost her father and her life because of it. I'm sure if that had been Milly or Rivals it would of effected him just as hard.

I have to disagree here. I still think that she was his main LI during this show. But it's just my opinion

Point in fact I still hold Suzaku partly responsible for Shirley's death. He should of made sure she was taken away before he rushed in and tried to take control of everything. He was responsible for her safety last.

Don't know what to think. She was aware about the risk, and that Rolo was not Lelouch's brother.

You know, one could say that even jeremiah is at fault since he canceled the geass casted on her. (by accident though)

[Train Samurai]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

Point in fact I still hold Suzaku partly responsible for Shirley's death. He should of made sure she was taken away before he rushed in and tried to take control of everything. He was responsible for her safety last.

That's why he instructed two police guards to protect her while he investigated the situation, in the end it was her own fault for taking a gun and running off to find Lelouch. Geez you make it seem like Suzaku was the one that killed her.

[Lie]

Originally Posted by Narona

I am not talking about blog or anything that no one or only a few saw, I only talk about the show and the interviews that a lot of people already saw. That's the difference. So, that's why I asked for links, because it's easy to make up things. So at leats give links to the poor people who can't read japanese. Then I can ask translations to some people if you don't have the time. Thanks.

Only a few saw? Maybe on this forum, but a lot of people have seen her blog and have had discussions about it, what I am saying comes from a japanese board and isn't even so much my own original thought as it is just a very good point.

Originally Posted by Narona

I am always among the ones who say that a lot of things are possible. My first comment to kang's post was not serious, because when I read someone saying that lelouch has no romantic feelings towards c.c., I can say the same about kallen.

How? How can you say the same about Kallen? How many different aspects of what Lelouch did do people need to list? Some things just cannot be written off. You can argue that they meant one thing or another, just as anyone can argue the same about C.C., but the scenes or themes that people have listed in terms of Kallen are far numerous. Are they all just dismissable? I doubt that.
I'll summarize, C.C. has had one very good unfinished line, Kallen has at least two I can recall of the top of my head. C.C. has had a couple of possibly tender moments, Kallen has had what I can count as over a dozen. Kallen has one visible and emotional kiss with both parties emotionally involved, C.C. has at best a cut off shot of a surprise kiss that returned Lelouch's memories. Maybe C.C.'s are meant to be more quality, but I doubt much compares to the episode 19 scene in terms of quality.

I just see a lot of hopeful visions from both sides of this, but if you peel away everything, only one character had a blatant romantic subplot (and didn't get killed by Rolo), and only one character (who didn't get killed by Rolo) actually took the initiative to ask what Lelouch felt and to find a place in his heart. So pardon me if I find it hard to swallow that C.C. was seeking Lelouch's love in the same way that Kallen and Shirley sought it when it simply was never shown to be that way while the other two were directly shown. I'm not one to compare an aparition to what is actually there.
Did it pay off? I'm of the opinion that it did because otherwise there really wasn't much point to it. But since it was never explictly shown... oy.
Now I'm out of time so I'll leave this discussion, I dun have much more to say anyway.

[Sprite_Coke]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

Is this the right thread for this? It's about the 2nd picture drama

The 2nd picture drama is about the KoR. It's rather a serious one. I haven't properly watched the picture drama but it's before Suzaku's formal introduction as a KoR. This is what I was able to piece together:

Spoiler for picture drama 2 - Turn 0.56:

- Suzaku, Gino, Anya, and Cecile are talking on the battlefield, just right after Britannia's victory against EU.
- Cecile is recording a report and gives a rather generous account of Suzaku's prowess. Suzaku tells Cecile that she doesn't have to praise him like that. Gino and Anya disagree.
- Suzaku hears the voice of a young girl. They run off towards the direction of the voice. They find a girl hiding in rubble. She's been estranged from her father. Suzaku offers to help the girl find him. He tells Cecile to contact the Avalon to bring him the Lancelot.
- The girl sees the Lancelot and shouts out, "You murderer!" She even goes further to say that Suzaku is a demon.
- Anya (I'm not too sure of this) hits the girl. She draws her gun. Gino says that in the battlefield, the weak lose against the strong. Suzaku protests, saying that's why the strong have to protect the weak.
- A envoy from the emperor arrives. They inform Suzaku of his formal induction ceremony as a KoR and they are to present his jewel (I think this is referring to the KoR badge) and the title of 'Kishin' to Suzaku.
- Gino and Anya ask about Kishin (translation: 'fierce God'). Suzaku explains that in Japanese, it is literally Demon God, a name fitting for him.
- Cecile asks if it's alright with Suzaku to appear at his formal introduction. Suzaku says yes and entrusts the matter of the girl to Cecile. He also says that even if he is hated, it is fine with him. Being able to save the girl is enough for him.

If I have time, I might expand on it.

I read somewhere else that Anya shoots the girl, but don't take my word on that...

[Asleep]

Originally Posted by Lie

How? How can you say the same about Kallen? How many different aspects of what Lelouch did do people need to list? Some things just cannot be written off. You can argue that they meant one thing or another, just as anyone can argue the same about C.C., but the scenes or themes that people have listed in terms of Kallen are far numerous. Are they all just dismissable? I doubt that.
I'll summarize, C.C. has had one very good unfinished line, Kallen has at least two I can recall of the top of my head. C.C. has had a couple of possibly tender moments, Kallen has had what I can count as over a dozen. Kallen has one visible and emotional kiss with both parties emotionally involved, C.C. has at best a cut off shot of a surprise kiss that returned Lelouch's memories. Maybe C.C.'s are meant to be more quality, but I doubt much compares to the episode 19 scene in terms of quality.

I just see a lot of hopeful visions from both sides of this, but if you peel away everything, only one character had a blatant romantic subplot (and didn't get killed by Rolo), and only one character (who didn't get killed by Rolo) actually took the initiative to ask what Lelouch felt and to find a place in his heart. So pardon me if I find it hard to swallow that C.C. was seeking Lelouch's love in the same way that Kallen and Shirley sought it when it simply was never shown to be that way while the other two were directly shown. I'm not one to compare an aparition to what is actually there.
Did it pay off? I'm of the opinion that it did because otherwise there really wasn't much point to it. But since it was never explictly shown... oy.
Now I'm out of time so I'll leave this discussion, I dun have much more to say anyway.

Kallen and Lelouch have hardly interacted with each other, so much so I find it hard to believe she loves him. She might have been infatuated with him, but love is too much of a strong word for me to throw around so easily. That is just my take on the matter. Shirley I find more believable but they killed her off. Look I have no problem if you think Lelouch loved Kallen but stop acting like it is a fact. It's just your opinion. Lelouch might have kept her away to protect her, but he would have done that with any of his friends. There was nothing concrete to show Lelouch loves Kallen. And they left it that way for a reason. They wanted to please both sides.

C.C.'s was never meant to be directly shown. C.C. was not seeking his love because she was trying not to fall in love, or form any kind of emotional attachment to anyone. She is too complicated. She is in denial all the time. She doesn't even think she is capable of very human feeling like love. And btw, even Kallen asked her if she was in love with Lelouch.

And I don't get the kiss thing. Does C.C. have precognition? How did she know his memories were going to go away in the first place? And if that was a restore point how come Lelouch remembers what happened after the kiss. He should have remembered everything up till the kiss not after it. *shrugs*

C.C. also says something like 'you are not a person I want to commit a lovers suicide with', what does that mean to you? Did you hear mother/son suicide by any chance IMO it is quite clear C.C. was in love with Lelouch. You can feel free to disagree but it will remain your opinion, unless officially confirmed otherwise.

[C.C.]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

Did the magazines come out yet.. maybe there is no info on code geass?

I just found this



Nothing to say, I think, and the art is not that good... ;_;

[Baixinho]

So, any news about the post on the producer blog that was talking about 3rd or 4th quarter and "gou" ? Did someone see it discussed elsewhere than in this forum ?

Originally Posted by Asleep

Kallen and Lelouch have hardly interacted with each other, so much so I find it hard to believe she loves him. She might have been infatuated with him, but love is too much of a strong word for me to throw around so easily. That is just my take on the matter. Shirley I find more believable but they killed her off. Look I have no problem if you think Lelouch loved Kallen but stop acting like it is a fact. It's just your opinion. Lelouch might have kept her away to protect her, but he would have done that with any of his friends. There was nothing concrete to show Lelouch loves Kallen. And they left it that way for a reason. They wanted to please both sides.

C.C.'s was never meant to be directly shown. C.C. was not seeking his love because she was trying not to fall in love, or form any kind of emotional attachment to anyone. She is too complicated. She is in denial all the time. She doesn't even think she is capable of very human feeling like love. And btw, even Kallen asked her if she was in love with Lelouch.

And I don't get the kiss thing. Does C.C. have precognition? How did she know his memories were going to go away in the first place? And if that was a restore point how come Lelouch remembers what happened after the kiss. He should have remembered everything up till the kiss not after it. *shrugs*

C.C. also says something like 'you are not a person I want to commit a lovers suicide with', what does that mean to you? Did you hear mother/son suicide by any chance IMO it is quite clear C.C. was in love with Lelouch. You can feel free to disagree but it will remain your opinion, unless officially confirmed otherwise.

Lelouch and Kallen have hardly interacted with each other?
I beg your pardon, but I think you are forgetting S1 and the 10 first episodes of R2 a bit too fast For 32 episodes, Kallen has been interacting a lot with Zero/Lelouch, both within the OotBK and Ashford Academy. Even after she's been captured by Britania, she managed to get to learn more about Lelouch via his sister. Their lack of interaction in the last episodes came only after she had kissed him : she had already had all the time she needed to fall in love with him by then. So I don't quite get where you get your point from.

About the CC kiss, it was confirmed by Koshimizu (scan from a magazine) that the kiss was a memory back up. You don't do a memory back-up if you have no reason to believe that it could be necessary. The fact that she did this back up is an evidence in itself that she feared Lelouch could lose his memories. As for the reason why, I guess knowing Lelouch was going to confront Charles' brother, she expected VV to hand Lelouch over to Charles and Charles to use his Geass on him if things turned bad.

CC's comment was directed to Jeremiah, and was never used again in R2. Nothing indicates that she would be ready to commit lovers suicide with Lelouch. Logically speaking, that line can not relate in any way to Lelouch, unless you're assuming she would do it with Lelouch. But then you can't use the assumption that your point is true to prove your point true. But I digress.



Anyway, as I said if anyone has any news concerning the blog post, I'm interested

[Droplet]

Commiting lovers' suicide is no problem for C.C.

[Asleep]

Originally Posted by Baixinho

Lelouch and Kallen have hardly interacted with each other?
I beg your pardon, but I think you are forgetting S1 and the 10 first episodes of R2 a bit too fast For 32 episodes, Kallen has been interacting a lot with Zero/Lelouch, both within the OotBK and Ashford Academy. Even after she's been captured by Britania, she managed to get to learn more about Lelouch via his sister. Their lack of interaction in the last episodes came only after she had kissed him : she had already had all the time she needed to fall in love with him by then. So I don't quite get where you get your point from.

S1 was all about Zero. She was just a fan-girl then. In R2, how many of these interactions have we seen? How many of them have been with her alone? In the end she can't even tell if Lelouch is lying...I wouldn't call it love. Whatever good all her learning did... When you love a person because everything you know about them through a 3rd person it's not love. It is admiration, crush, like, etc. not love. Love is too strong a word. Again this is my opinion you can have your own

Originally Posted by Baixinho

About the CC kiss, it was confirmed by Koshimizu (scan from a magazine) that the kiss was a memory back up. You don't do a memory back-up if you have no reason to believe that it could be necessary. The fact that she did this back up is an evidence in itself that she feared Lelouch could lose his memories. As for the reason why, I guess knowing Lelouch was going to confront Charles' brother, she expected VV to hand Lelouch over to Charles and Charles to use his Geass on him if things turned bad.

I had read that too. Yes but what about what I said about the restore point thing? And anyway Lelouch was happy and even told her not to die forgetting she is immortal and all. So I doubt he took the kiss for something professional

Originally Posted by Baixinho

CC's comment was directed to Jeremiah, and was never used again in R2. Nothing indicates that she would be ready to commit lovers suicide with Lelouch. Logically speaking, that line can not relate in any way to Lelouch, unless you're assuming she would do it with Lelouch. But then you can't use the assumption that your point is true to prove your point true. But I digress.

Jeremiah? It's possible I didn't think of it like that...
But if LxK were so canon they could have made it more clear. They didn't because they wanted to make both the shippers happy. And anyway it is quite normal for all female leads (or females ) to fall in love with the main character in an anime.

Originally Posted by Baixinho

Anyway, as I said if anyone has any news concerning the blog post, I'm interested

So is everyone else!

Originally Posted by C.C.

I just found this



Nothing to say, I think, and the art is not that good... ;_;

thanks for sharing! What does it say? Anything new?

[Dhang]

[Pink-chan]

Originally Posted by C.C.

I just found this



Nothing to say, I think, and the art is not that good... ;_;

Originally Posted by Dhang

Wow! New magazine scans! You guys are great! Thanks for sharing. Can't wait for bigger and clearer scan in time to come.

[Asleep]

Originally Posted by Dhang

Nice! Thanks for posting!

Now for clearer versions and translations...