Pirates and Bounties *Spoilers*

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by chitgoks

if ussop would leave them "now" the crew wont have problems because franky is here. but ussop was "VERY" valuable before because he was the one who did the repairings of the ship. theyd be nowhere without him too (except now)

No, not really... Ussop's repair work was very shotty and simple, it was just a patch job... It's not a unique trait and it's not hard to do... Surely, had ussop not been there, the other strawhats would have taken up the job, and would do just about the same... Not to mention that while ussop did most of the repairs he wasn't always alone, the others help him out with the more sever damage; heh, do you really think Ussop was able to repair the mast all by himself when it was torn off by luffy?

The only real reason ussop was made the unoffical shipwright was because early on he was the one who cared most about the ship, and thus was the first to want it to be repaired... not to mention the others were always doing something else to keep themselves occupied, so they just let ussop handle things... But, if ussop wasn't there, and the mast were to get torn off, or a whole popped into the side of the boat, you just KNOW Nami would ask and/or knock some sence into Luffy/Zoro/Sanji/Chopper to patch up the ship; instead of letting them do whatever they want...

[Chuixupu]

Originally Posted by chitgoks

if ussop would leave them "now" the crew wont have problems because franky is here. but ussop was "VERY" valuable before because he was the one who did the repairings of the ship. theyd be nowhere without him too (except now)

Usopp didn't join the crew to be shipwright, he joined as their sharpshooter, and that is how he will be valuable to the crew.
Plus, knowing Luffy, if Usopp doesn't come back to the crew, him might still be too angry at Franky for being responsible for Usopp leaving (he thinks, although it's not really true), to let Franky join.

[Gaiyae]

Originally Posted by Chuixupu

Usopp didn't join the crew to be shipwright, he joined as their sharpshooter, and that is how he will be valuable to the crew.
Plus, knowing Luffy, if Usopp doesn't come back to the crew, him might still be too angry at Franky for being responsible for Usopp leaving (he thinks, although it's not really true), to let Franky join.

Agreed!

And besides... Usopp proves to be a pretty good inventor. Who knows what usefull things he's gonna create in the future. Maybe Usopp is even going to create something that can use the power of seastones (maybe he could use it as ammo) . And Usopp is strong, but he just hasn't got the guts... Like Luffy, Zoro or Sanji. The only thing i don't like about him is his goal. Because everyone on the ship already is a brave warrior of the sea.. I would like his goal to change into becoming the best sharp shooter of the world. Maybe Sogeking has that goal.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Well, unless there's a mistake in translation (or on ofchance its fake), it looks as though the new bounties are in

Spoiler for manga:

Strawhat Luffy: 300,000,000
Pirate Hunter Zoro: 120,000,000
Demon Child Nico Robin: 80,000,000
Black (or Dark) Leg Sanji: 77,000,000
Cyborg Franky: 47,000,000
Sniper King Sogeking: 30,000,000
Cat Burglar Nami: 16,000,000
Cotton Candy Loving Chopper: 50

I'm rewatching One Piece right now (that's going to take a while), and when Luffy first got his bounty by the world government, they said it was a record for initial bounty. However, from recollection, wasn't Nico Robin's initial bounty higher? In addition, Sanji's initial bounty well over-shadows Luffy's initial bounty. I guess it doesn't matter anymore since everyone at this point in the game is so powerful.

However, ahem... Sogeking's current bounty is higher than Arlong's... but I really doubt he'll have a chance against Arlong in a one on one fight. Also, for his fight w/ Luffy, he would not have faired as well if Luffy was serious from the beginning (i.e. 1-2 punch and then K.O. ala Bellamy).

Just some thoughts while watching through One Piece again. 40 down, 260+ more episodes to go...

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I'm rewatching One Piece right now (that's going to take a while), and when Luffy first got his bounty by the world government, they said it was a record for initial bounty. However, from recollection, wasn't Nico Robin's initial bounty higher? In addition, Sanji's initial bounty well over-shadows Luffy's initial bounty. I guess it doesn't matter anymore since everyone at this point in the game is so powerful.

However, ahem... Sogeking's current bounty is higher than Arlong's... but I really doubt he'll have a chance against Arlong in a one on one fight. Also, for his fight w/ Luffy, he would not have faired as well if Luffy was serious from the beginning (i.e. 1-2 punch and then K.O. ala Bellamy).

Just some thoughts while watching through One Piece again. 40 down, 260+ more episodes to go...

Your only half right... The world gov't said that luffy's bounty was the highest intial bounty from East Blue, not the highest intial bounty ever... Robin got her bounty while she was in West Blue, and most of the strawhats, even though they might be from East blue, got their bounties while In the grandline; so theirs would be measured agianst the grandline bounties not the east blue ones...

Spoiler for manga:

Also, bounties are not nessasariyl a measure of strength... they are also measured by threat level and offence... Sogeking got his bounty because he burned the gov't flag... this is a major offence and is also a declaration of war; so even though he doesn't have the strength to have such a bounty, those actions he made add on to it

[ShikaShika]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Spoiler for manga:

Also, bounties are not nessasariyl a measure of strength... they are also measured by threat level and offence... Sogeking got his bounty because he burned the gov't flag... this is a major offence and is also a declaration of war; so even though he doesn't have the strength to have such a bounty, those actions he made add on to it

Spoiler:

Is that ever really explicitly stated? That Sogeking got his bounty for that one particular reason? I mean, I suppose that might well be true, but are you making the assumption or was the reason specified in the manga? Just curious, in case I missed it.

[NightShadow]

Originally Posted by ShikaShika

Spoiler:

Is that ever really explicitly stated? That Sogeking got his bounty for that one particular reason? I mean, I suppose that might well be true, but are you making the assumption or was the reason specified in the manga? Just curious, in case I missed it.

Spoiler:

It was never explicitly stated. I think Sogeking's bounty is not only due to the fact he was the one that burned the gov't flag, but also because of the vital role he played during Robin's rescue (ie delivering the keys). Most of the blame for declaring war on the gov't was given to Luffy anyway.

However, ahem... Sogeking's current bounty is higher than Arlong's... but I really doubt he'll have a chance against Arlong in a one on one fight. Also, for his fight w/ Luffy, he would not have faired as well if Luffy was serious from the beginning (i.e. 1-2 punch and then K.O. ala Bellamy).

You should look at this differently... Bounty is not a power gauge. Would Arlong stand up against the World Gov't for ANYTHING when he knows his chance to win is slim? Most likely not. To the world gov't Arlong is not a threat, but a nuisance, and that's why his bounty is so low. Usopp on the other hand, openly defiled gov't flag. His defiance which could be interpreted as a signal and example to others that despise the world gov't made him a lot more threatening than Arlong. Influence-wise I think it's pretty obvious that Arlong cannot hope to compete with Usopp in terms of bounty.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by NightShadow

Spoiler:

It was never explicitly stated. I think Sogeking's bounty is not only due to the fact he was the one that burned the gov't flag, but also because of the vital role he played during Robin's rescue (ie delivering the keys). Most of the blame for declaring war on the gov't was given to Luffy anyway.

You should look at this differently... Bounty is not a power gauge. Would Arlong stand up against the World Gov't for ANYTHING when he knows his chance to win is slim? Most likely not. To the world gov't Arlong is not a threat, but a nuisance, and that's why his bounty is so low. Usopp on the other hand, openly defiled gov't flag. His defiance which could be interpreted as a signal and example to others that despise the world gov't made him a lot more threatening than Arlong. Influence-wise I think it's pretty obvious that Arlong cannot hope to compete with Usopp in terms of bounty.

In this case, I would believe that the new bounties are not valued correctly.

Spoiler for Questioning Bounty Values:

First, let's take a look at Nami's. She is valued at 16 MM. She beat a CP9 agent and is on this defiant crew that is a threat to the world government. Based on this fact alone, she is a larger threat than Usopp, who was only following orders and did not defeat anyone. You also mentioned that most of the blame for declaring war was on Luffy, so Usopp has little to show for it. Delivering the keys is like being a delivery boy. Hence, I think the bounties should be reversed between Nami and Usopp.

As for Nico Robin, they increased her bounty by only 1 MM? After all this time, she was a 79 MM threat 20 years ago, now she has matured, been the right hand person for a secret organization, and has joined a powerful crew who openly defied the World Government. Not only that, the crew is willing to protect her and allow her to pursue her goals. Just the fact that she in on this crew alone makes her that much more of a threat to the World Government. I know she did not beat a CP9 agent, but I believe she is much more of a threat to the World Government than ever before, more so than Zoro, imo.

The others, I can understand, given from what the World Government knows.

In retrospect, I think the bounty system is a flawed system.

[NightShadow]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

In this case, I would believe that the new bounties are not valued correctly.

Spoiler for Questioning Bounty Values:

First, let's take a look at Nami's. She is valued at 16 MM. She beat a CP9 agent and is on this defiant crew that is a threat to the world government. Based on this fact alone, she is a larger threat than Usopp, who was only following orders and did not defeat anyone. You also mentioned that most of the blame for declaring war was on Luffy, so Usopp has little to show for it. Delivering the keys is like being a delivery boy. Hence, I think the bounties should be reversed between Nami and Usopp.

As for Nico Robin, they increased her bounty by only 1 MM? After all this time, she was a 79 MM threat 20 years ago, now she has matured, been the right hand person for a secret organization, and has joined a powerful crew who openly defied the World Government. Not only that, the crew is willing to protect her and allow her to pursue her goals. Just the fact that she in on this crew alone makes her that much more of a threat to the World Government. I know she did not beat a CP9 agent, but I believe she is much more of a threat to the World Government than ever before, more so than Zoro, imo.

The others, I can understand, given from what the World Government knows.

In retrospect, I think the bounty system is a flawed system.

Spoiler:

Let's see, you said Nami's bounty should be higher than Usopp because she is stronger in terms of strength - I beg to differ here. Nami beat Kalifa without anyone seeing, so although theoretically she is stronger, her presence is not as threatening as Usopp who OPENLY defied the gov't flag, as well as sniping Spandem and his convoy at the most critical time during the rescue(without his assistance Franky wouldn't have gotten there in time). I doubt that the Navy even knows about Nami's true strength (Note that Kalifa and some other CP9s remained in the tower of justice when it was bombarded by a warship) and put a bounty on her head just because she is in the crew. Same goes for Chopper really... I mean if the Navy saw how he decimated a CP9 agent they would never give him the cute 50 beli bounty =.=

As for Nico Robin... What did she do during this arc except being captured and helpless until Luffy and the others lined up and knocked her out of self-pity? She's no more threatening that she was 20 years ago... um ok maybe she is more threatening now in terms of being dangerous, but the old 79,000,000 bounty was put on her head due to the fact she "destroyed" 6 warships back in the Ohara buster call. In that respect, I think the extra 1 mil was just for her part in the strawhat crew. Maybe she deserved a bit more, but 80 mil is still a reasonable amount.

In the end, I think it's safe to say that the bounties are placed (in this arc at least) due to combat participation and exposure. Zoro and Sanji had the most participation (except for Luffy) while Usopp had the biggest exposure. Nami had mediocre amount of each, Chopper had close to no exposure and Robin pretty much had none of both.

[Sazelyt]

I guess, with the spoiler tag on the thread title, we can consider this a manga thread.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

In this case, I would believe that the new bounties are not valued correctly.

First, let's take a look at Nami's. She is valued at 16 MM. She beat a CP9 agent and is on this defiant crew that is a threat to the world government. Based on this fact alone, she is a larger threat than Usopp, who was only following orders and did not defeat anyone. You also mentioned that most of the blame for declaring war was on Luffy, so Usopp has little to show for it. Delivering the keys is like being a delivery boy. Hence, I think the bounties should be reversed between Nami and Usopp.

As mentioned above, the details on Nami's fight will most probably be never known, as we can assume her opponent is dead. So, whatever she had done earlier and after, and also being a member of Strawhat members contributed to that amount. Some of her abilities are known to the government, as she used earlier. So, I guess, that is a reasonable amount.

Secondly, Usopp did not only deliver the keys (and, sorry but, this is not a delivery boy job, considering the accuracy required for that delivery at that distance, another one can only throw it to the sea), he also beat officers at that distance, accurately. As a sniper he can be considered as one of the best, and considering what he can achieve with that skills (assassinating is one that comes to mind first), it is a reasonably high threat level.

Thirdly, Usopp had also fought in the Puffing Tom, another possible contributor to his threat level.

As for Nico Robin, they increased her bounty by only 1 MM? After all this time, she was a 79 MM threat 20 years ago, now she has matured, been the right hand person for a secret organization, and has joined a powerful crew who openly defied the World Government. Not only that, the crew is willing to protect her and allow her to pursue her goals. Just the fact that she in on this crew alone makes her that much more of a threat to the World Government. I know she did not beat a CP9 agent, but I believe she is much more of a threat to the World Government than ever before, more so than Zoro, imo.

I don't think her previous bounty was related to her threat level or strength at that time - related to future expectations. Regardless of how she was earlier and how she is right now, the expected threat level coming from her seems to be considered almost the same as
before. I think this is a reasonable assumption, considering that might be something the WG had taken into account earlier - her associating with powerful people to defy WG.

In retrospect, I think the bounty system is a flawed system.

Of course it is a faulty system, since it does only decide based on expectations that rely on insufficient information and/or only the visible results.

[Undertaker]

Bounties are not measure of strength, as we already learn with Crocdile. It measures the "PERCEIVE" threat level toward WG by the Marine.

Like Slayerx and others said, there was no eye-witness to Nami's victory toward Kalifa. Even if that was considered. Ussop played mush more prominent role in the event. Just by being the one who actually shot the WG flag, it is not surprising to see his bounty to be higher than Nami's. Than you have to add the fact that he openly snipe the commanding officer [even if he's a weak wimp] of the Enis Lobby. Both should be considered higher offense than beating a CP9.

Keep in mind that Sanji's bounty most likely boosted only because he beat a CP3 [ and the thrid strongest to that] but also enhanced due to that fact he plowed through everyone on the Sea Train before being stopped by CP9. And Franky most likely helped by him being Cutty Flam and the fact he beats 2 CP9.

I do think Robin's bounty to incread more than the 1 mil she got [she thought should be at 90 mil] simply because she's now part of Luffy's group and under his protection. But if you look as the reason she got her original Bounty than it is still reasonable.

Robin did not get her bounty because she destroyed 6 battleships, in fact she didn't detroy tose battleships, they were destroyed by Vice-Admiral Saulo. She got the bounty because of her title as archeologist/historian and her ability to read "Poneglyph". To that end, her threat level toward wG didn't really change even if she joins Strawhats

[DLuffy452]

Well, what does everyone thing of shank's crew's bounty? It consists of 4 main people..

Shanks- captain- Able to rival whitebeard who was able to rival gol D. Roger. I'd have to say 700 mil?

Ben Beckman- Person with the rifle and cig. I'd have to estimate.. close to 400 mil.

Lucky Roux- Fat person always eating a rack of meat. Not sure of his abilities.. but hes at a good spot so about 370 mil.

Yasopp- Sniper of the whole crew. He was able to beat Daddy the Father easily.. but im not sure so about the same as everyone else 370 mil ish.

Tell me if im wrong

[cheese4u]

Trust me the Yonkou's bounties are well in the billions. If you consider how many people are stronger than Luffy at this point (or theoretically stronger), then there's no way Shank's bounty is under a billion. Heck, if Beckman's bounty was under a billion I'd be shocked.

Luffy's bounty right now is 300 million berries, I assume that Ace and Blackbeard are stronger than Luffy at this point. That would make Luffy weaker than the third strongest member of Whitebeard's crew. And even still I think he maybe even weaker than that. Whitebeard's crew laughed at Rockstar's bounty of 94,000,000
berries, and Shank's came onto his ship and knocked out his entire crew (except for the strongest ones) by simply releasing his Aura. Luffy and Zoro have to beat crews weaker than that with their fist and swords. All things considered I'm guessing Shank's bounty is somewhere around 5 billion. Because remember Shank's crew is not a East or West blue threat, Nor even a threat to the grandline, there a world threat. And I doubt a crew of eight would have bounties anywhere near Shank's who has a crew of thousands.

[seiji_kun]

Well finally in the anime, and what do most people think of the bounties?
Do they match the person.

Luffys went x3 . 300 mil. No bounty for Luffy is high enough

Zoros x2 120 mil. Imo they made the gap between Luffy & Zoro a bit to much but at least it's still a bounty that won't be matched bye many. Or mb in the new world a lot of ppl have such a high bounty. Well on the other hand the gap between Zoro & the rest prooves more then ever that he is Luffys first mate. I always found it dissapointing that they never call him like "vice-captain" or "first mate". Especially as Luffys first nakama.

Robins stayed allmost equal 80 mil but well she only got saved and didn't really fight anyone special so guess theire was no real reason to even put it higher. Except the factor that she is closer then ever to the true history.

Sanjis 77 mil Nice debut, wonder if he broke the record of best debut @ Grand Line. But he still falls short to Zoro ofc. 43 mil difference has to hurt his pride & that picture of him, I lmao when I saw it in the manga and couldn't help me from laughing again in the anime.

Frankys 44 mil. Imo should've been a bit higher, closer to Robin / Sanji. Didn't he take two cp 9s out, if I remember right he took out enraged Choppers target to? And personally I rank him stronger then Sanji. Loved when he battled Luffy for the first time to . But I can see why Sanji got the bigger bounty. Better to take out 3rd strongest then two below them and Sanjis is so much longer in the story tho that shouldn't mather normally.

Namis 16 mil Should've been more, she did take out one of the cp 9s. Even if it was the weakest.

Chopper 50 be Felt sorry for him. The "tanuki" wanted a bounty but ain't even considered as a pirate. Pet hahaha, almost as funny as when Sanji called him reservefood.

Spoiler:

Sogeking/Usopp: 30 mil, how the fuck did he get more then Nami when he didn't take one of the cp 9s out, burning that flag is so sacred? Luffy had to take Buggy / Krieg / Arlong out to get such a bounty and Usopp gets it for not even taking one person out. Had to be a real special flag if you ask me.

And when do you expect them to get theire next new bounties?

Spoiler:

I don't expect it that fast, at least not after the Moria arc. Cause it's a short arc ofc. Tho hopefully the marines do get some info bout the battle and confirm that Chopper is a pirate and not a pet :P. Chopper is just to cute and should get a serious bounty cause he wants one not that Hogback is an opponent where you disurve to have a bounty for.

I gues after they defeat that shibukai?(those 7 pirates that work for the World Government) merman. Totally forgot his name but can't hold it against me. Not like you hear that name so often that it sticks to you

[sanzo]

i doubt they are in the billions, well except maybe for shanks but i still think he would be like 700 mill give or take. dont forget how much adding 100 mill greatly increases ur threat. maybe gold rogers whitebeard or dragon are in the billions

[sanzo]

there bounties are icreasing rapidly now. after they defeat moria thats probably another hundred million or two up in there bounties. then theyre probably gonna meet jinbei in merman island and beat him

does anyone think that they might lose to moria or jinbei. that would be a great twist. no one would excpect it

[QUOTE=NightShadow;928300]

Spoiler:

It was never explicitly stated. I think Sogeking's bounty is not only due to the fact he was the one that burned the gov't flag, but also because of the vital role he played during Robin's rescue (ie delivering the keys). Most of the blame for declaring war on the gov't was given to Luffy anyway.

You should look at this differently... Bounty is not a power gauge. Would Arlong stand up against the World Gov't for ANYTHING when he knows his chance to win is slim? Most likely not. To the world gov't Arlong is not a threat, but a nuisance, and that's why his bounty is so low. Usopp on the other hand, openly defiled gov't flag. His defiance which could be interpreted as a signal and example to others that despise the world gov't made him a lot more threatening than Arlong. Influence-wise I think it's pretty obvious that Arlong cannot hope to compete with Usopp in terms of bounty.

to the guy who said that thats not neccessarily true becasue arlong would have had doubled his bounty if the gov found he took over an island and techinically hes incouraging other merman that they should rule over humans and that seems like a pretty big threat

[MihawkXGP]

Hmmm
Looks like i was spot on about Luffy's bounty. I was right about a few other bounties.

[Red-hair Pirate]

Shanks and whitebeard have the most bounty's

[MasterX]

Yeah, Chopper's stronger than Nami AND Usopp, and he gets a mere 50 belli. The bounty system is based on what the MARINES consider a threat.

[sanzo]

Originally Posted by Red-hair Pirate

Shanks and whitebeard have the most bounty's

Naa i think dragon would have the highest. you know him being the most wanted man in the world and all