(L+CR) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders

[Ezo Momonga]

Can be Enya

Spoiler:

or a toilet

but, speaking of probability, I don't think Pol will remain ignored.

[TnAdct1]

Originally Posted by Tempester

His name is J. Geil.

Keep in mind that not everyone knows that some character names were changed in the American version due to legal reasons.

[SilverSyko]

HELL 2 U!

Avdol makes his triumphant return!

Being a manga reader I knew this was coming, but it's still awesome.~

[ookamigirl]

#22

Spoiler for plot:

Baka Polnareff got what he wished for.
No way, Avdol wasn't dead!?
Damn, that was a nice surprise.
At least he took care of his zombie self..
Cameo challenged Avdol to make his wishes.
Avdol had a different kind of wishes in mind LOL
It was very enjoyable watching him kick Cameo's ass.
Cameo's user sure was pathetic when discovered..
The rest of the guys accepted Avdols return as a normal thing.
That sure pissed Polnareff off LOL
Poor guy was totally out of the Avdol loop..
It wasn't nice they all kept such a big secret from him.

[articuzwolf]

did they kinda omit some details?

Spoiler for spoiler?:

Avdol's speech about it wasn't the time for him to die YET...you know, since he is a fortuneteller afterall

I remember liking that particular line since it made the whole "Avdol returns-thingy" not feeling cheap at all

or maybe I just got the timeline wrong...since it's been years since I read stardust crusader

[Mad Pierrot]

I can't tell if this is a good twist or not. The whole drama that Avdol was dead just happened because Polnareff never checked his pulse and was too naive. It kinda feels like a middle finger to the audience too ala Kubo.

Nevertheless, the episode was a lot more entertaining than last week.

[FlareKnight]

Well that was a surprise. Of course now my issue with how Avdol's 'death' seemed way too quick and lacking impact. When Jojo kills an ally they usually make a big deal out of it. Guess they got that surprise across because of how long Avdol was gone.

Good timing on that rescue though.

[Kanon]

This episode had a couple anime original scenes. I liked the one showing Polnareff killing his sister. Made it look like he had learned his lesson and matured this time. It was the opposite in the manga: after Cameo destroyed his sister, he cursed him saying that even though she was a copy, she was still his sister.

Originally Posted by amaterasu4

I can't tell if this is a good twist or not. The whole drama that Avdol was dead just happened because Polnareff never checked his pulse and was too naive. It kinda feels like a middle finger to the audience too ala Kubo.

Nevertheless, the episode was a lot more entertaining than last week.

Avdol was really supposed to have died back then (Kakyoin did check his pulse and lamented it happened too easily and too fast), but pressure from the fans forced Araki to bring him back. I think he may have even decided to bring him back at the very least minute. The stuff with Avdol's father makes no sense in retrospect, there was no reason for him to hide his identity and for everybody else to act so dramatically since he had already fully recovered.

[HandofFate]

lol, when did Avdol turn into such a sarcastic sadistic troll?

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

lol, when did Avdol turn into such a sarcastic sadistic troll?

I'm going to lean to some kind of brain damage at work here . Seems like out of nowhere he joined the odd humor that this arc for Jojo has been running with. Kind of sacrifice Avdol's personality to get him in on the toilet humor.

[Stark700]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

lol, when did Avdol turn into such a sarcastic sadistic troll?

For some payback :P

Well, anyway that was pretty funny near the end there. GG Judgement. He never stood a chance against bromance.

[AntonKutovoi]

So, one of the most infamous character revivals has finally happened. Of course,those, who already watched Gintama before JoJo, were already spoiled

Spoiler for Gintama:

[Mister Twit]

Well that episode deserves a slow clap. Here I go.

*clap*

[Ezo Momonga]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Avdol was really supposed to have died back then (Kakyoin did check his pulse and lamented it happened too easily and too fast), but pressure from the fans forced Araki to bring him back. I think he may have even decided to bring him back at the very least minute. The stuff with Avdol's father makes no sense in retrospect, there was no reason for him to hide his identity and for everybody else to act so dramatically since he had already fully recovered.

Is this your conjecture or the fact? Personally, I've gotten an impression that Araki hesitated to revive Avdol or not till the last moment, too. However, I don't think there were so many fans to give him pressure. In fact, speaking of unnatural comeback, there was already a precedent, or Stroheim. At least, I had been already accustomed to contradictions/plot holes in weekly released Shonen manga. I also read/watched other materials such as movies/novels which tend to be more solidly composed-that's just not what I expected for manga. That said, although at times, the revised scenes can be hit and miss, I agree with you about the scene where Pol destroys the image of his sister. It's nice to see that, while the staff didn't even try to change the odd ends like Avdol's disguise, they are tying to put things more thematically coherent.

Another case of the punishment through human wastes but, somehow, to me, this case doesn't strike me as offensive as other cases, probably because it was executed as a form of casual male bonds.

Needless to say, the episodes themselves are probably influenced by the Monkey's Paw and Pet Sematary.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by AntonKutovoi

So, one of the most infamous character revivals has finally happened. Of course,those, who already watched Gintama before JoJo, were already spoiled

Spoiler for Gintama:

Who are the other two in that pic ?

Originally Posted by HandofFate

lol, when did Avdol turn into such a sarcastic sadistic troll?

Right? I thought it could actually be the OTHER way around because of that - that it wasn't Avdol but his father disguised as him. True, he had the same exact Stand, but considering how Stands seem to run in the family and just the 'Joestar connection' was enough to have Dio develop a Stand of his own, Stand transfer upon death wouldn't have been so strange. Turns out Araki went for some very asspull-ish revival there though. But yeah, when a show makes as little sense overall as JJBA, it doesn't matter much .

Also, to me the most bullshit revival of all times remains

Spoiler for Code Geass spoiler:

Nunnally being brought back after having been obliterated by a FRIGGIN' NUKE.

[AntonKutovoi]

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

Who are the other two in that pic ?

The masked one is Graham Aker aka Mister Bushido from Gundam franchise. I don't know the other one, though.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Ezo Momonga

Is this your conjecture or the fact? Personally, I've gotten an impression that Araki hesitated to revive Avdol or not till the last moment, too. However, I don't think there were so many fans to give him pressure. In fact, speaking of unnatural comeback, there was already a precedent, or Stroheim. At least, I had been already accustomed to contradictions/plot holes in weekly released Shonen manga. I also read/watched other materials such as movies/novels which tend to be more solidly composed-that's just not what I expected for manga. That said, although at times, the revised scenes can be hit and miss, I agree with you about the scene where Pol destroys the image of his sister. It's nice to see that, while the staff didn't even try to change the odd ends like Avdol's disguise, they are tying to put things more thematically coherent.

That's what the wiki and the majority of fans say, but I haven't been able to find a solid source. I seem to recall reading about that in his Jojomenon interview (the 10+ pages written one, not the video), but the guy who translated it in French took everything down. It might be a myth, but it seems like a plausible one to me. What's for sure is that this is one of the most famous retcon in manga history.

[MCAL]

Despite what seems like the most controversial fight in Part 3, I rather enjoyed these episodes. Luckily the emotional moments happened with Polnereff, because he's the only character where it would work. Felt sorry that he was the only one out of the loop, but I still laughed hard.

Also this show's Engrish.

[Guwange]

Originally Posted by AntonKutovoi

The masked one is Graham Aker aka Mister Bushido from Gundam franchise. I don't know the other one, though.

The one with red face paint is Mongolman / Ramenman from Kinnikuman (Ultimate Muscle)

[Shyni]

Originally Posted by MCAL

Luckily the emotional moments happened with Polnereff, because he's the only character where it would work.

That's a thing I've noticed about Polnareff, how he's the character that goes through the most emotion so far. I've seen the sentiment expressed that he's pretty much the main character, and I can see why that would be the case, at least at this point in the story.