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Old 2013-01-15, 17:44   Link #341
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I liked those because I watched older Bond movies.
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Old 2013-01-16, 21:26   Link #342
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Old 2013-01-16, 22:00   Link #343
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Fucking brutal.

I like it!
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Old 2013-01-17, 02:26   Link #344
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Raiden sure has come a long way



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Old 2013-01-17, 02:32   Link #345
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Kojima style character development

More people should adopt this method for their less-than-likeable characters
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Old 2013-01-17, 02:45   Link #346
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I didn't mind Raiden :<
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Old 2013-01-17, 02:55   Link #347
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I didn't mind Raiden :<
Maahhh~ I'm just echoing what I've heard, I didn't play MGS2 so I don't have any opinion on it Don't take it to heart
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Old 2013-01-17, 04:27   Link #348
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So they still keep the "white blood". Nice I thought they changed it all into red "blood" from the previous trailers and clips.
Some people don't like the white one since it reminded them of something....
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Old 2013-01-17, 04:32   Link #349
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So they still keep the "white blood". Nice I thought they changed it all into red "blood" from the previous trailers and clips.
Some people don't like the white one since it reminded them of something....
The white blood is only for Japan because of censorship.
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Old 2013-01-17, 04:42   Link #350
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Didn't they also change enemies from humans to robots? Or was it always like that?
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Old 2013-01-17, 04:54   Link #351
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Didn't they also change enemies from humans to robots? Or was it always like that?
Something like that the initial gameplay showed Raiden cutting up soldiers, but then they changed it to cyborg... I guess it's more morally acceptable...? Ignoring the fact that cyborgs are still living humans...
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Old 2013-01-17, 04:58   Link #352
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The white blood is only for Japan because of censorship.
I see. I thought it's depending on the enemy type or something like "blood color" option.

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Didn't they also change enemies from humans to robots? Or was it always like that?
MG Rising's enemy was always cyborgs. Not really sure for the PMCs in one of the original trailer.

The red "blood" wasn't real blood. It's oil. First mentioned when Gekko was described in MGS4 IIRC.
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Old 2013-01-17, 05:38   Link #353
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I see. I thought it's depending on the enemy type or something like "blood color" option.
Well I can't rule out the possibility of that option either
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Old 2013-01-17, 08:24   Link #354
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Raiden sure has come a long way
From what I've read in Solid 2 Raiden was supposed to be like a normal person to the point in the ending he was the player's avatar sharing his experience and even name in the dogtag. Kojima noted that Western response was horrible (most were just frustrated they couldn't play as Snake) so he changed him for Solid 4. This time Raiden acted more like a Metal Gear character talking about fights, how bad life and people liked him a lot.... His fighting style was so popular that several fans wanted a game to play as him. Kojima knows how to handle the fans.
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Old 2013-01-17, 10:30   Link #355
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From what I've read in Solid 2 Raiden was supposed to be like a normal person to the point in the ending he was the player's avatar sharing his experience and even name in the dogtag. Kojima noted that Western response was horrible (most were just frustrated they couldn't play as Snake) so he changed him for Solid 4. This time Raiden acted more like a Metal Gear character talking about fights, how bad life and people liked him a lot.... His fighting style was so popular that several fans wanted a game to play as him. Kojima knows how to handle the fans.
That's one way to explain it, I'll dig that explantion, that whole part where you're in arsenal gear pretty much elaborated on Raiden being 'the player' I just never picked up on it until just now, lol. "Raiden! Turn the game off!" Comical, but that whole section was really unsettling, I guess that was the point though.
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Old 2013-01-17, 19:04   Link #356
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Sorry Kojima in MGS2 I don't see myself as Raiden. I want to be SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!

Well either way when he debuted in his Cyborg ninja with highheels in MGS4, it's pretty obvious they will make a game out of it and here is our game.
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Old 2013-01-17, 19:47   Link #357
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Sometimes I kinda miss the old Rising stuff. Don't get me wrong, the new Rising looks fantastic. It's just the curiousity of wanting to see what the original would have been like.
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Old 2013-01-17, 20:27   Link #358
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Sometimes I kinda miss the old Rising stuff. Don't get me wrong, the new Rising looks fantastic. It's just the curiousity of wanting to see what the original would have been like.
Especially when the timeline was originally set before MGS4 (hence the PMC soldiers in first gameplay trailer). I kinda imagined about his trip around the globe and when he learned scouting techniques, and also his mission of rescuing Sunny.

I wish the current game would be rendered in the Fox engine like the original, but can't be helped since PG isn't familiar with it, and it would just eat more time.
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Old 2013-01-17, 21:29   Link #359
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Well Kojima said whenever he makes a MGS it will always be an older Snake.
He probably left younger Raiden to the younger and new game devs to play with with his supervision.

Since his original vision for Raiden is the one to surpass Snake, the only way to do that is to over power Raiden so we got here Cyborg Ninja Raiden....with highheels
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Old 2013-01-17, 21:39   Link #360
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^ The original MGR was made by the younger KojiPro team from the start, Kojima only acted as a producer too.

Well, about the high heels... Raiden was always portrayed androgynously from MGS2, wasn't he?
some people even thought that Raiden uses eyeliner, a corset (black colored parts of the body), and high heels when looking at his MGS4 body
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