2008-12-30, 21:48 | Link #262 | |
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Scale is irrelevant; a weapon is just a weapon. It's for killing people. Who you kill with it is far more important than the weapons themselves. The Bomb's development was inevitable. Nina was just manipulated by someone else to take all the blame when things went wrong.
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2008-12-30, 21:57 | Link #263 |
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Except none of the scientists of the Manhattan Project, or, presumably, any other US weapons project, were raving psychotic lunatics who genuinely desired to cause genocide. They only made the bomb, in regards to it, to end the war faster because Operation Downfall was too risky, and, as for bio weapons, well...normal advancements, I suppose. Nina, on the other hand, made the bomb solely so she could kill as many Japanese people as she could.
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2008-12-30, 22:20 | Link #265 |
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Well, since Euphemia was, apparently, her only driving force to make amends- ironic in that she was the driving force to make the FLEIA, too- and construct that lance weapon, I reckon she does need to let go. Becauase if Euphemia and nothing else is her driving force, that's more than troublesome.
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2008-12-30, 22:56 | Link #266 | |
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There wasn't anything wrong with idolizing someone. Especially since Euphie wasn't even a bad person. The real Euphie was an okay role-model, so as long as Nina found out what Euphie was really like in the end, there is nothing wrong for Euphie to remain as Nina's hero.
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2008-12-31, 02:09 | Link #267 | |
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2008-12-31, 07:08 | Link #268 |
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The person who did that was also Lulu's brother, who had nearly EVERYONE under his spell, including quite a few audiences watching the anime. So it is rather unfair to claim Nina is THAT weak-willed.
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2008-12-31, 19:05 | Link #270 |
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I know he was evil too. But as I said, that view wasn't shared by all the audiences. Plenty of real people did believe Schneizel was a pot smoking hippy, as you put it. So if real people watching the anime can believe he was a good guy, why couldn't Nina?
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2008-12-31, 19:31 | Link #271 | |
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Schneizel had many people fooled - including his own family. If Cornelia couldn't see what kind of person her brother really was, then it would have taken a miracle for someone as inexperienced, insecure and emotionally unstable like Nina not to fall for Schneizel's deceptions.
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2009-01-03, 22:16 | Link #272 |
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I now that masks had probably been mentioned before but I want to ask a question and then go deeper on it. We all know that Lelouch was hiding under the mask of Zero and Lelouch Lamperouge but I wonder if it is a metaphor the psychological masks that we put to hide ourselves. We wear "masks" to mask our true selves and our true intentions so that we appear to people as they believe us to be but we know that is not our true selves, only the "mask" we wear that we make believe it "us". I am not completely sure if has anything to do with the ego but I believe that it is probably a metaphor for the ego as well, how it walks, talks and thinks like you but it is not the real "you", just your ego that is pretending to be "you".
Lelouch wears the mask of Zero in order to make the world a better place for his sister Nunnaly and all he cares for but in the end, we all know that the behind the mask is not real "Lelouch" but the alternate persona that he created for himself. Sometimes I feel as though that it is hard to distinguish the two considering that they are so much alike but we all that Zero is just a "mask" that Lelouch wears and even the high school student "Lamperouge" is just another mask as well. It seems that some of the characters in the show wear "masks", Marianne as we know her wears the mask of a caring mother but we now know that she is more sinister and "evil" than she first appeared and Schneizel who appeared to everyone as a charismatic figure who actually cares less about his surbordinates and is just a cruel, calcaluting figure who only wishes to further his own plans. I am not an eloquent writer and I could be wrong in the following statements but these are my thoughts on the subject of "masks" in Code Geass. I wish I could elaborate more on this but this is what came in my mind and the subject I want to discuss.
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2009-01-09, 02:20 | Link #273 | |
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When I stated that everyone is striving for their happiness, I didn't mean that they were all right, neither were they all wrong. Instead, what I want to say is, they have both, and let's just say right is white, and wrong is black; we mixed them and we have grey. Next, I'd like to clarify. When I say "everyone" is grey in Code Geass', it was a statement given wrongly. In my very first post here, I believe I mentioned that Code Geass is trying to convey that there's not only black and white in this world, there's still the color grey. That said, I would have to admit that I exaggerated the statement that everyone's grey. This, is more of a clarification to Frost. Finally, I still do not think that Lelouch is a poor example. Yes, he strived for the happiness of the people towards the end. He atoned for his sins, and the ending? He was happy. I personally think that we can be selfish in many ways. But that's another issue, and I do not wish to elaborate on that. Off-topic, being one of the reasons. Anyways, I have no intention of continuing this; I see it's kinda stopped anyway, and I don't think I'm very comprehensible. However, Guernsey's post is another interesting one. Masks. Everyone has one. Just wanna say: Nice.
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2009-01-12, 06:22 | Link #274 |
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I find back the post, she did not delete anything, it's an example (a poor one, maybe, but still and example) inside a much more wide and complex argument you took out of context.
Please take things a little more lightheartedly, and restrain yourself from judging people you really do not know nothing about. And I guess you'd like to edit your post, because none would ban Nogitsune for what are her toughts on such a random argument, but you would probably get infraction to have call her crazy because she likes ArthurXClovis, I guess. |
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2009-01-12, 06:28 | Link #276 | |
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While I might disagree with my soulmate in the specific point about Charles, I have no problem with Nogitsune's degree of moral relativism, as long as it's still in the context of an anime-related discussion. I also guess we are not allowed to discuss RL-politics on this board, so we should better stop it here or we'll have the topic close. @Rave: it's called 'freedom of speech'. As long as you do not insult anyone, you are free to express your thoughts, even the most retarded. If your antifascist feelings are so strong, you should be familiar with this concept. |
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In fact, I stated several times that I do not want to talk about real life here, because there definitely is a difference and I don't see the need to talk about it here. Quote:
But I'm flattered you took the time to notice my lack of sanity. ;P ...Oh, and by the way: my soulmate is right, I didn't delete anything. Quote:
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2009-07-07, 20:03 | Link #279 | |
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So, we admit we are being double standards = yes, we are We deny, cause we are not = yes we are again. lol Srsly though, in fiction, there can be equality, and there can be not, depending on circumstances, charas-actions, development and so on. In this case, Lelouch compared to anyone else = not equal. He is the mascot of the show, he is the main chara, the one that is leading the series, the one that is getting tremendous development compared to others. [U]There is no equality in this case, thus double standards cannot apply. So yeah, in a nutshell, like Johan in Monster said, that people are only equal in death, in Geass, charas are only equal in being bishonen and pretty. Definitely not, in the development department..<= yep, philosophy of Geass. |
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2009-07-07, 20:03 | Link #280 | |
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It shows that the staff thinks fanfic writers are obsessed. Errr... or something like that. But I bet it's an important part of the philosophy of Code Geass. xD
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