Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Pt. 2 Rebirth

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Question: why did Aerith got bullied by other kids when she was under the care of Elmyra? Did they know that she's an Ancient? But now (at the start of Remake) she is loved by everybody even though she still lives in the same neighborhood that bullied her when she was little? What's the deal with that?

In OG mainly because she's hunted by Shinra for five years (child Aerith in flashback is 10 y.o so until 15 y.o).
Tseng in Crisis Core didn't know Aerith is still alive until he checked on people around Zack; he kept Aerith status as MIA in respect to Zack.
Remake added part from novel that her high Lifestream sensitivity also plays part on it, made her difficult to befriend anyone due to different of perception about death.

How she ended up loved by everybody is because of Zack, as told in Crisis Core.
When she's 16 years old, she wanted to help Elmyra financial by selling flowers but not sure how to do it because, yes, she's bullied when she was child.
Zack idea is advertised themselves by helping people (side-quests), they eventually opened up to her. Notice that she's closer to children rather than adult.

Aerith in FF VII is 22 years old, so 12 years passed, enough time.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Tactics

In OG mainly because she's hunted by Shinra for five years (child Aerith in flashback is 10 y.o so until 15 y.o).
Tseng in Crisis Core didn't know Aerith is still alive until he checked on people around Zack; he kept Aerith status as MIA in respect to Zack.
Remake added part from novel that her high Lifestream sensitivity also plays part on it, made her difficult to befriend anyone due to different of perception about death.

How she ended up loved by everybody is because of Zack, as told in Crisis Core.
When she's 16 years old, she wanted to help Elmyra financial by selling flowers but not sure how to do it because, yes, she's bullied when she was child.
Zack idea is advertised themselves by helping people (side-quests), they eventually opened up to her. Notice that she's closer to children rather than adult.

Aerith in FF VII is 22 years old, so 12 years passed, enough time.

Oh, ok. Thanks. Never really got into Crisis Core so I didn't really know.

[Kanon]

Tactics, please keep ending talk under spoiler tags. We don't know who has or hasn't finished the game.

[Mad Pierrot]

The part about Rebirth that confused me is why

Spoiler for spoiler:

Cloud remembered Zack so early. This is meant to be content for the game's climax when Cloud understands that most of his own memories are fake as a result of Hojo's experiments and how Sephiroth takes advantage of it to obtain the Black Materia. In the original FF7, Zack was killed by Sephiroth in Nibelheim while the Western version added that scene where he is killed by infantrymen once reaching Midgar.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

The part about Rebirth that confused me is why

Spoiler for spoiler:

Cloud remembered Zack so early. This is meant to be content for the game's climax when Cloud understands that most of his own memories are fake as a result of Hojo's experiments and how Sephiroth takes advantage of it to obtain the Black Materia. In the original FF7, Zack was killed by Sephiroth in Nibelheim while the Western version added that scene where he is killed by infantrymen once reaching Midgar.

Spoiler for Memories:

Sephiroth is messing with your mind. Zack survived nibelheim and was experimented on by Hojo like Cloud for 5 years. Why he remembered him early I’d play in part to Sephiroth trying to keep Tifa from interfering in his manipulation of Cloud like she did in the OG. He’s clearly worried about her effect on Cloud even more than the ancient Aerith

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

The part about Rebirth that confused me is why

Spoiler for spoiler:

Cloud remembered Zack so early. This is meant to be content for the game's climax when Cloud understands that most of his own memories are fake as a result of Hojo's experiments and how Sephiroth takes advantage of it to obtain the Black Materia. In the original FF7, Zack was killed by Sephiroth in Nibelheim while the Western version added that scene where he is killed by infantrymen once reaching Midgar.

You just explained it yourself.

Spoiler for :

Its same Sephiroth playing with Cloud minds.

Since Whisper Harbringer died in Remake, there's no need to follow exactly same order of events; its all good as long canon events are respected.

Canon event to keep the world going is "Cloud hands over Black Materia to Sephiroth in Northern Crater"
Sephiroth play that to his advantage; for him it read: Cloud mental state allowed to be worse than OG as long he can handed Black Materia to me in Northern Crater.
What he did is sped up things to ensure Cloud cannot be salvaged. Its very effective with Cloud quickly replaced drowned soldier in flashback with Zack, and how he's walking like a zombie compare to OG when he told by Sephiroth to handed the Black Materia.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

The part about Rebirth that confused me is why

Spoiler for spoiler:

Cloud remembered Zack so early. This is meant to be content for the game's climax when Cloud understands that most of his own memories are fake as a result of Hojo's experiments and how Sephiroth takes advantage of it to obtain the Black Materia. In the original FF7, Zack was killed by Sephiroth in Nibelheim while the Western version added that scene where he is killed by infantrymen once reaching Midgar.

He technically didn't.

Spoiler:

If you look more closely at how he "remembers" Zack in Gongaga, he assumes that Zack was the Shinra grunt who got washed down the river in his version of the Nibelheim flashback.

Cloud still doesn't remember how Zack really died, where he really got the Buster Sword from, or what actually happened during the Nibelheim incident.

There's no conflict with the original.

[Kanon]

https://insider-gaming.com/square-en...ithin-3-years/

They're targeting 2027 for part 3, and they revealed Rebirth was actually done in only three years.

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by Kanon

https://insider-gaming.com/square-en...ithin-3-years/

They're targeting 2027 for part 3, and they revealed Rebirth was actually done in only three years.

Meh. I'll only be pushing 40.

I think I can beat original VII, Remake, and Rebirth by then.

[Kanon]

I remember all the doomposting back when it was announced to be several parts but they're really making good time.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I remember all the doomposting back when it was announced to be several parts but they're really making good time.

I feel like 3 parts was the expected total. Of course it was also expected to be a remake and not a sequel so we never really knew what to expect .

And I guess 7-8 years could be considered relatively good time for this trilogy.

[Shadow5YA]

Staff retention makes a big difference. Unfortunately that's a rare occasion in this industry aside from Nintendo's teams.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I feel like 3 parts was the expected total. Of course it was also expected to be a remake and not a sequel so we never really knew what to expect .

And I guess 7-8 years could be considered relatively good time for this trilogy.

In one of interviews, they said they planned for three parts from start aiming for similar experience to OG three discs.
File size and console strength are their base concern so no Part 4 unless they failed to contain what's left within reasonable size for PS5 games.

We can see they did their best under said limitation (writing is efficient with room for speculation; optional bosses (and playtest) goes to simulator and Intergrade, Wutai for Part 3). How many iconic stuffs left? Highwind, Snowboarding, Supernova, Weapons, Knight of Rounds ...

[Mad Pierrot]

Wonder if Part 3 will have Vincent Chaos

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I feel like 3 parts was the expected total. Of course it was also expected to be a remake and not a sequel so we never really knew what to expect .

And I guess 7-8 years could be considered relatively good time for this trilogy.

Consumer sentiment regarding Square Enix was much more skeptical back then because the franchise had been on a decline since then.
Dirge of Cerberus and the FF7 Compilation in general did not paint a good look on Square Enix's storytelling ability at the tune, and pretty much every Final Fantasy game had been plagued with unstable development issues since after 12.

[Twi]

I wonder if they're going to eventually combine all of the individual parts into a single game after they release the third.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Twi

I wonder if they're going to eventually combine all of the individual parts into a single game after they release the third.

That's not possible due to physical media constraints. A PS5 blu ray disc can only hold 100GB, and Rebirth alone is already over 145GB.

If Part 3 is about the same size as Rebirth, all three games would nearly take up 400GB.
They could sell them all together as a bundle (they're already doing that for Remake and Rebirth) but ~400GB is a big ask whether you go physical or digital.

[Kanon]

They'll definitely sell them as a bundle. Three discs just like back in the day... although it's more like six actually

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Consumer sentiment regarding Square Enix was much more skeptical back then because the franchise had been on a decline since then.
Dirge of Cerberus and the FF7 Compilation in general did not paint a good look on Square Enix's storytelling ability at the tune, and pretty much every Final Fantasy game had been plagued with unstable development issues since after 12.

This is not entirely true.

Rather than skeptical, SE consumer sentiment regarding FF mostly driven by purist that firmly believed turn-based RPG is definite FF identity, especially numbered title.

So you have funny situation where target audience barked about SE dependency on VII and quality decline are more or less same people that prioritize past series append and dislike everything after X because nothing beats good old days; like how people bash Genesis for being theatrical, ignoring how he's perfect narrative foil to Zack just because Sephiroth matters more, or Kingdom Hearts convinced people SE can make action RPG because its not FF, unaware of Sakaguchi interest for freedom of movement for FF since X and custom tools originated from XII long development time.

[Shadow5YA]

Genesis is not a good character