Character Discussion - Kallen

[bladeofdarkness]

sheirly of course
kallen techniclly was the one who killed him, since the guren was what caused the landslide

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

sheirly of course
kallen techniclly was the one who killed him, since the guren was what caused the landslide

Fffff, techincally then,

Spoiler for lagann:

Yoko is the one who killed Kamina, since she was too fast to tongue kiss with him, something that affected Simon who was "down" in the battle, and "forced" Kamina to go to the boom-bam place, to make him come back and then got the nice boom-bam in his nice body. Crazy, i no rite?

If we go with technicalities, then we shall never end. Shirley's papa death, was a result of the whole BK and Zero's strategy. That is how it works. Lol, if we hold something like this against Kallen, then bai-bai.

[bladeofdarkness]

she seems to feel guilty about it enough to require an epic lelouch speech to break her out of it
she is at least PARTLY responsible for his death
hence betteroffer's point still stands

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

she seems to feel guilty about it enough to require an epic lelouch speech to break her out of it

Kallen was sad about it. But it was not only "it" that triggered her to be like that, you can see it is the whole innocent-people-deal that does annoy her. She seems like "ahhh" when Lelouch tells her, that bystanders and simple civilians will drag and die. And because of that, they have to go on cause blah blah. You know the rest.

It was not only "this" and honest, i do not know what i am discussing now, since this is bull. "Kallen killed Shirley's papa." Wow, new trend, ah.

[bladeofdarkness]

i was only answering bonzo's question about who betteroffer ment

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

i was only answering bonzo's question about who betteroffer ment

hence betteroffer's point still stands

You seem to agree, that she was way too responsible for his death. No, if there were 100 BK involved in Narita, {including her} then Kallen holds 1% and the rest of them, holds 1% each, till we get to the nice 100%. Honest, ah.

[bladeofdarkness]

its a point about why her life sucked during much of the show
knowing that you hold a share of the blame for the death of your friends father is a good example
even if its a small share of the blame

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

its a point about why her life sucked during much of the show
knowing that you hold a share of the blame for the death of your friends father is a good example
even if its a small share of the blame

What does this have to do, with how much responsible about his death Kallen was? This is irrelevant, to the last points made.
And she let it go, when Lelouch talked her out of it, exactly because she had to let it go and it was not like she did aim for Shirley's papa specifically, please.

[bladeofdarkness]

still a bad thing to experiance (albiet, not as bad as it was for shierly)

and again, i was only answering bonzo's question about HOW betteroffer was talking about

[Bonzo]

Uhm, I wrong to interpret, I read like "she killed the best friend of her parents".

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

still a bad thing to experiance (albiet, not as bad as it was for shierly)

and again, i was only answering bonzo's question about HOW betteroffer was talking about

Still this is irrelevant to what you said earlier, that Kallen technically killed him and how she was way responsible blah blah.
In the specific situation, Kallen was as responsible as Tamaki was, as Ougi was and even as Lelouch was and so on. Period on that.

The fact, that she made her sad or anything, is another matter. Still though, her sadness was quickly washed away by Lelouch's speech, showing that Kallen's goal > her friends. Which is true.
Without this meaning, that she did not grow to care a lot about them. We can see her sad and concerned about the Student Council in the last epis of S1, and even Milly says that, in Turn 9, when Nina is having her freak-out, and instead of Kallen punching her in the eye, she just disarms her. //and this is something that i liked in her chara development, from her whole "fake smiles" around them, she grew to value all of them, a lot. //fuck i jumped into another subject, lol

[bladeofdarkness]

that IS awesome development

so...
do you feel like making your epic OOBK post ep 19 rant ?

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

that IS awesome development

so...
do you feel like making your epic OOBK post ep 19 rant ?

Yeah, tell me something new, i just pointed out in my awesome post, haha.

I will make it on the generic thread when i get the chance, do not really want to spill my rage for them, in my ol' dandy-halcyon Kallen thread. //someone is bored at work, and want me to keep him entertained or what? 8D

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by incorrupts

Yeah, tell me something new, i just pointed out in my awesome post, haha.

I will make it on the generic thread when i get the chance, do not really want to spill my rage for them, in my ol' dandy-halcyon Kallen thread. //someone is bored at work, and want me to keep him entertained or what? 8D

that IS epic development after all
worth mentioning

Spoiler for not work:

not work
home studing for a boring ass exam
could use a good read (compared to the crap i have so far

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

that IS epic development after all
worth mentioning

Spoiler for not work:

not work
home studing for a boring ass exam
could use a good read (compared to the crap i have so far

I would not really call it epic development, more like, that Kallen evolved very well and to our-liking-well. Because ok, it is not Code Geass : Expand on Kallen's chara {or tits.}
Lol, it was nicely done though and it was cool to see that she started caring about something else, other than her bro's dream and her mama. {and her hot pants for Zero, haha. In R2, that is another story of development, that we have repeated millionz timez already}

Spoiler for ah, ok?:

ah, get msn then, add me and you will lol, i am more epic on msn than here. yeah, you will drown into a sea of epicness, haha. aka, no study you lazyass. 8D

[Nobodyman9]

As far as Shirley's papa's death, Kallen didn't kill him. The landslide killed him. Which was triggered by Kallen. Which she did because she was ordered by Lelouch. Which he did because Cornelia was fighting against him. Which she was doing to uphold the empire that Charles had created. You can play the blame game all day, but you know what, shit happens and lets leave it at that.

As for the Kallen/Mary Sue/Flaws argument. I read your list blade and while I think at least half of them probably wouldn't count as flaws...well, I just don't have the will to argue this any further. Lets just say that I think Kallen is a good character overall, but there's just something about her that rubs me the wrong way.

[Bonzo]

New comic.
A return to the past, this is the first day of their "exile" Kallen and Lelouch are suffering:

http://sabrinaonline.altervista.org/...25.3.5enga.jpg
http://sabrinaonline.altervista.org/...25.3.5engb.jpg
http://sabrinaonline.altervista.org/...25.3.5engc.jpg

[Bonzo]

Okay, the comic marriage is under construction, but I thought about a little thing....

I can write a short comic about it (1-2 pages) but not now.

It's about a question, a question connected with the original story too...

The farewell dialogue between Ougi and Kallen.

And Kallen has a question for Ougi.

"Ougi-san, when you betrayed zero (turn 19 event), if I had choose to protect him, you would kill me too?"

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Bonzo

Okay, the comic marriage is under construction, but I thought about a little thing....

I can write a short comic about it (1-2 pages) but not now.

It's about a question, a question connected with the original story too...

The farewell dialogue between Ougi and Kallen.

And Kallen has a question for Ougi.

"Ougi-san, when you betrayed zero (turn 19 event), if I had choose to protect him, you would kill me too?"

Good question. Totally unrelated question, what's with the ears in the right-side panel?

[Bonzo]

@morbosfist:
Yes, Amanda has a little malformation, the left auricle is absend, it's like all ears cartilage is on the right ear and the result is that grotesque thing.
To spoke about or gaze her ears = to search pain.