(L) Log Horizon (novel)

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by Naole

1. Back to Log Horizon; on the episode 18 anime is Shiroe holding a new staff that's not in the books?

2. Is the Prudent Horned Owl Cane a Phantasmal-class item? If not then why is it Shiroe's treasure?

3. and Is the Millennium Bird's Crow a Phantasmal-class item?

1. AFAIK that staff could well be just a ceremonial item, in other words, for show only, like Rayneshia's outfit. That is so far the only time it appears in the story anyway.

Also, it was actually mentioned in the novels:

This was followed immediately by a dull thud from the left. Shiroe who moved here was holding a ceremonial pewter staff that was taller than him vertically like a spear. Shiroe didn't have the staff a moment ago.

It's also shown in the novel illustrations, though there it's shown to be a lot longer than how it looks in the anime:

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2. & 3. The novel doesn't say anything about their item ranks, but so far if an item is a Phantasmal, it would be stated as such in the item description. My suggestion is that if an item is not stated to be a Phantasmal or is created from Phantasmal materials, it's better to consider them as Artifacts or below.

Originally Posted by xrick

As one currently trying to get his first original novel published, inspired by Anime, Manga & Light Novels, I too noticed (mostly because of their adaptations) a few things:
1. Japanese (authors, publishers, etc) seem to be or too centered in their culture or don't give much interest at first that there their works may get fans out there in the world...
2. Most Novels seem to follow the same trends and genres, having only different concepts (Moe, Harem, etc) and that saddens me as some pearls, like Log Horizon, seem to get put behind and may get adapted mostly by Indie Studios with limited budget...

I'm no authority on this, but:

1. You have to remember that their works target the home market and thus this gives them very little incentive to work in foreign elements unless the story really calls for it. There's also the question whether LNs would sell outside Japan. If they don't, the authors and publishers would be even less inclined to consider the foreign market.

And to be honest, I rather see them write with something they actually know about, instead of making a fool of themselves writing about something they don't.

2. Sometimes the publisher is to be blamed for this. Media Factory for example is notorious for pandering to moetakus and from what I understand (which might not be accurate: disclaimer!) they would instruct their writers what they expect from them. Of course, to be fair to them, they have to cater to their audience in order to keep their business floating. Which brings us to what I consider to be the part most at fault in this issue: the audience. It's hard to sell gems to pigs if all they want is dross.

[RDNexus]

So. True. Story. It's kinda like what Miyazaki said a few days ago, the current problem with Anime & etc is the audience itself...

[DQueenie13]

Spoiler for volume 6, chapter 5:

"The more blood Byamaru drinks, the better the man can wield this power. His biceps that has grown three times larger is proof of this."

Volume 6's "murderer" (I'm too lazy to remember his name) confirmed to be on blood-Ancient's sword's power-steroids. He's totally not my type of guy. I prefer leaner physiques. Also, he has quite the inferiority complex, and some background lore on Lugrius was expanded on. (Although skythewood seems to be calling him "Lugolas")

"The tall and skinny man draws his sword."

Wait, what. Well, anyways, he isn't my type of guy anyways.

Also, Maryelle participates in a battle once more!! It seems that Clerics have auto-healing spells that they can cast on others.

Akatsuki was lent some new gear for the fight, too.

At the moment, it seems as though these two newbies to raiding are holding off on their own. Not sure what Rieze and the others are doing because the translation hasn't gotten that far.

[ices]

Well, someone said that the sales of the DVD/BD or Original Material doesn't affect the chance of second season. But alas, I wanna know how well the sales of the Novel so far? Does the anime affect the popularity of the original material?

Spoiler for a bit offtopic:

I've seen several times SAO mentioned in Log Horizon discussion, but is the opposite also happen?

[RDNexus]

Well, one of the reasons Anime studios adapt Mangas/Games/Novels into series is to promote sales of the very original material.
It's a way for the studios and publishers to get money, per business contracts, of course...

[Netto Azure]

Pretty much, sales are driven by adaptations that get people to seek the source material, which then creates a positive feedback loop.

Spoiler for Off topic response:

As for the off-topicness, We'll probably get people pushing for viewers of GGO to pick up LogHora instead, As if it were a zero-sum game. Personally as I've stated before, I love both. Though I'd argue that why not pick up The Legendary Moonlight Sculptor, Eureka and 1/2 Prince while they're at it.

[Swordstriker21]

I'm kinda glad Touno Sensei entertains us fans outside of Japan a bit more than some other authors. It kinda makes you feel you matter.

Spoiler for another off topic response:

Arc is another good read. Though it does tend to feel like it's "borrowing" concepts from LMS a little too much for me at times. It just might be similar settings though. I tend to nitpick too much sometimes. The Gamer (web comic) is another great read w/ a similar theme (MMOs and gaming in general) but w/ a fresh twist. It's really enjoyable even though it's a recent series. And the comedy is golden.

[ArmaniWeston]

I was wondering. Since Adventurers have high MP especially the Support/Magic-user Classes and/or at higher levers, couldn't it be possible for them to "jumpstart" or rapidly decrease the amount of time for the security system to be back in place? There has the be a conduit somewhere in the city that absorbs the needed magic so couldn't the Round Table send a group of extra high MP Adventurers there to charge it at an accelerated rate?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by ArmaniWeston

I was wondering. Since Adventurers have high MP especially the Support/Magic-user Classes and/or at higher levers, couldn't it be possible for them to "jumpstart" or rapidly decrease the amount of time for the security system to be back in place? There has the be a conduit somewhere in the city that absorbs the needed magic so couldn't the Round Table send a group of extra high MP Adventurers there to charge it at an accelerated rate?

1. the kunie clan would have to actually understand the magitech they are using. They are the end user not the inventors.

2. how do you know how much MP the circle needs to absorb before it can power up? the amount of MP could be so enormous even if every adventure in Akiba contribute all their mp everyday could only shorten the startup time form 10 to 9 years.

[ArmaniWeston]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

1. the kunie clan would have to actually understand the magitech they are using. They are the end user not the inventors.

2. how do you know how much MP the circle needs to absorb before it can power up? the amount of MP could be so enormous even if every adventure in Akiba contribute all their mp everyday could only shorten the startup time form 10 to 9 years.

1. Well the defense system is a physical thing and logically there would be a place where mana is collected so it should be possible to pour the adventurers' mp into the machine.

2. True, the amount the mana is probably extremely high, but we don't know where the mana is coming from to power it so we don't have a proper reference point. Either way it would be useful for Akiba to try it out as they could possibly Jumpstart it or learn more about Alv tech which could help them go home.

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by ArmaniWeston

1. Well the defense system is a physical thing and logically there would be a place where mana is collected so it should be possible to pour the adventurers' mp into the machine.

2. True, the amount the mana is probably extremely high, but we don't know where the mana is coming from to power it so we don't have a proper reference point. Either way it would be useful for Akiba to try it out as they could possibly Jumpstart it or learn more about Alv tech which could help them go home.

1. It won't work unless they figure out how to do it, and properly. And, thus far, nobody understands how Alv technology works aside from the Alvs themselves, and they're pretty much all eliminated.

2. It's probably from even more Alv technology, and we don't know how much records the Alvs kept about their works.

Which reminds me, half-Alvs get story bonuses, right? Is it possible for Shiroe to perhaps learn more about the Alvs because of his race?

[ArmaniWeston]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

1. It won't work unless they figure out how to do it, and properly. And, thus far, nobody understands how Alv technology works aside from the Alvs themselves, and they're pretty much all eliminated.

2. It's probably from even more Alv technology, and we don't know how much records the Alvs kept about their works.

Which reminds me, half-Alvs get story bonuses, right? Is it possible for Shiroe to perhaps learn more about the Alvs because of his race?

1. My idea would be find a conduit for the mana, and then get an Enchanter to overskill that mana distribution ability to insert the mana into the conduit instead. There would probably be a lot lost mana the first few times as they try to understand it/reverse engineer it.

2. Yeah they do, which is probably going to come up later in the story. I feel that Alvs made something similar DNA scanner which Shiroe could use to find out more about the Alvs.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by ArmaniWeston

1. My idea would be find a conduit for the mana, and then get an Enchanter to overskill that mana distribution ability to insert the mana into the conduit instead. There would probably be a lot lost mana the first few times as they try to understand it/reverse engineer it.

and if you don't understand what you are doing you are likely to damage the machine.

[ArmaniWeston]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

and if you don't understand what you are doing you are likely to damage the machine.

That is always risk, but they really wouldnt lose much if they damaged the machine since at this time there are only lv30s and above. They could easily repel any attack even raid bosses at this stage. They really only risk to gain nothing or something. Possiblely damaging the machine could produce a minature World Fraction given them special powers are making a portal back home @.@ (Sidenote: Minami has their intercity portal working again, so it couldnt be THAT hard to restart a magic defense system.)

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by ArmaniWeston

That is always risk, but they really wouldnt lose much if they damaged the machine since at this time there are only lv30s and above. They could easily repel any attack even raid bosses at this stage.

so why not wait the 10 years or study it fully before attempting anything.

They really only risk to gain nothing or something.

the risk permanently damaging a ancient artifact that protects the city.
and possibly provide clues on how to get home.

(Sidenote: Minami has their intercity portal working again, so it couldnt be THAT hard to restart a magic defense system.)

when did Minami turn theirs off?

[Breimoon]

Minami did not turn off theirs, he just meant that with enough study they may restart the defense sistem in Akiba if Minami managed to activate the portal

[ArmaniWeston]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

so why not wait the 10 years or study it fully before attempting anything.


the risk permanently damaging a ancient artifact that protects the city.
and possibly provide clues on how to get home.


when did Minami turn theirs off?

1. 10 Years is a LONG time, also it was an idea, not something they should 100% do, testing is really important and it probably is very sturdy since it an Alv defense system.

2. even more reason to expirement!

3. Shiroe found out Minami got the intercity transporter up through unmentioned means (Nureha is Shiroe's counterpart for a reason.)

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by ArmaniWeston

(Sidenote: Minami has their intercity portal working again, so it couldnt be THAT hard to restart a magic defense system.)

That is inferring that the two are connected, which, as far as we're concerned, aren't.

[Netto Azure]

Also the Inter City transports were down ever since the apocalypse, so they didn't turn it off. It was already off in the first place.

[ArmaniWeston]

Originally Posted by DQueenie13

That is inferring that the two are connected, which, as far as we're concerned, aren't.

When Shiroe and Nureha talk he says "It's the same for you Nureha-san right? I am ignorant of the specifics, but you managed to restart the inter-city transport gate, although its use is still limited."

Originally Posted by Netto Azure

Also the Inter City transports were down ever since the apocalypse, so they didn't turn it off. It was already off in the first place.

Nureha turnt it back on though, but for a limited usage