2004-12-01, 03:27 | Link #61 |
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Ah, Shinn is an angry teenager. Need anyone say more? lol In any case, I'm relatively sure that Athrun's influence will somehow simmer down Shinn a bit. Though it wasn't clear cut and in the open, I got the feeling that Shinn looks up to Athrun just a bit, and that might help Athrun calm that lunatic down a bit later.
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2004-12-01, 19:01 | Link #62 |
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For any person who constantly complains about Shin's outburst of rage towards Cagalli, I would like to see you try to keep calm and control yourself after seeing your entire family dead, in pieces, such? Imagine never being able to erase this image from your mind and the very person partially responsible, though not much but her being an Attha and sugar-coating reality abit is enough, is there in your view talking about pacifism? If you weren't able to understand and accept the reasoning behind Shin's outburst, you think too much of yourself.
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2004-12-01, 19:12 | Link #63 |
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Though there is a certain amount of justification behind Shinn's outbursts of rage, I think what people are trying to get at is that Cagalli has gone through the same thing, and doesn't deserve to be on the recieving end of those scathing insults. Let us not forget that Cagalli has lost her father, her three best friends, her home, and most likely hundreds of other people that she knew who were caught up in the devastation of Orb. So while Shinn's outbursts have some justifiable reasons underlying them, he's acting like an ignorant fool if he truly believes that there is no possible way for her to understand what he's gone through. He's merely lashing out at her because there's no one else convenient enough to blame. Ah, what a drama we have on our hands.
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2004-12-01, 19:18 | Link #64 | |
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2004-12-01, 19:18 | Link #65 | |
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2004-12-01, 19:22 | Link #66 | |
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Anyway, so what you're saying is that he's mouthing off to anyone he wants even though he doesn't know anything about their situation himself. That just proves he IS an asshole. |
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2004-12-01, 19:25 | Link #67 |
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Since he's the main character, and because I think his character design is pretty, I kinda really want to like Shinn, but he's really been going overboard recently. I understand he's angry at Orb even if that anger is misplaced, but especially in Ep 7 he attacked Cagalli for no good reason. Some of the stuff she said before about weapons and such was silly, but in this last incident there was nothing wrong with anything she was saying. Hopefully, Athrun will have a civillizing effect on him.
Also, the lameness of Shinn's gundam's design has started to bias me against him too. Do we need to see it get put together every episode?? |
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2004-12-01, 19:31 | Link #69 |
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Shinn should recreate the Kleuze Faction, double genocide!
And it would be so cool and ironic if Cagalli and Shinn become romantically involved with each other later in the series. (Though she is 2 years older, but that's not too big of a gap)
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2004-12-01, 19:50 | Link #71 | |
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And hey, pacifism worked in Gundam Wing |
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2004-12-01, 20:38 | Link #72 | |
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The other problem is that Blue Cosmos has become what Oz for for Gundam Wing became, basically gaining control of the the earth military forces for their own plans. Blue Cosmos has already been shown to have drastically high influence over the decisions of the earth alliance, as shown by Orb being attack by the earth alliance and possible future events. The fact that Blue Cosmos had three gundams in Gundam Seed shows that they have surpass the modern day notion of terrorist. Somehow they have been able to grow into an actual full-fledge organization that carries wait and control within the earth alliance. |
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2004-12-02, 01:09 | Link #73 | |
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You're right war is war, but pretty quotes just trivialize the fact that a young man's family died. Since he moved to the PLANTs, I can infer that he a.) doesn't have any family on earth, b.) if they exist he is estranged from them, or c.) he just doesn't want to stick around b/c of Blue Cosmos. So he's pretty much alone, and left to his won devices, right after his family has died to boot. Additionally, the last two years of his life must have been incredibly hard. He's alone, his family died, his country was brutally annexed by EA, he joined ZAFT (which is a volunteer army, so he doesn't get paid for risking his life). I don't know about the rest of you, but if that happned to me I'd probably just curl up and die. However, despite all of this hardship he's managed to pull his life together, establish a steady income, made friends, and found a reason to continue living. I think he's actually gotten over his families' death, the act of keeping his sister's cellphone is just his way of memorializing his family. Personally, I don't think he wants to punish Cagalli. Remember when Lunamaria mentions to him that Cagalli might be on board he doesn't seem to care. The first time he flips out and yells at her, it's probably because he's had a really bad day. Think about it: Shinn's day: 1.) Woke up and went shopping with Youlan. 2.) Groped a girl. 3.) Reported for duty. 4.) Armoury One is attacked. Dozens of ZAFT personnel, and Shinn probably knew most of them, are killed. 5.) Almost gets killed twice. And after all of that Shinn goes back to the Minerva, and talks with Luna for a bit. Then he decides to hang out in the launch bay with Youlan and Vino, then suddenly Ms. Orb Representative comes in and starts yelling at Gilbert, and spouting off some BS rhetoric about disarming the military. Everyone's shocked and thinking who this tactless bitch is, and Shinn's suddenly reminded about his families' death. He knows who Cagalli is, and even if he didn't the clothes would give her away. Old wounds are re-opened, and it becomes obvious that Shinn hasn't completely dealt with their death. Shinn, who has as much tact as Cagalli, flies off the handle and he yells at her. The second time he runs into her, she starts yelling at Youlan, one of Shinn's friends, who was obviously making a joke. Now Shinn is a guy who sticks by his friends, and suddenly this blonde bitch just shows up, and butts into their private conversation, and starts pouting more BS off, and basically implies that all of ZAFT wants the Naturals dead. So he gets mad again and lets her have it. Shinn's only encountered Cagalli twice, he doesn't how much of a hard time she's having being a representative, or the really bad day she had. So really, I think Shinn's opinion of Cagilli is justified, since the first two times he sees her, she bitches at his respected authority figure, and his friend. So it's no surprise that he yells at her again in episode 7, his opinion of her has already been firmly established. Also notice that the first time he yells at her, it can be interpreted that he's just defending Gilbert. The second time he's clearly standing up for his friend. The third time, well he's just being an ass, but he does a have point. Additionally, Shinn is from Orb so he know how their fcuked up political system works, and since he really isn't the most rational person, he probably just assumes that if Orb let a nutbar be one of their leaders, then really the country isn't even worth acknowledging. And btw, I do agree he is being an asshole and unreasonable. But that just makes me like him more, b/c his behaviour is consistent with that of a bereaved child. Boys his age have the hardest time dealing with bereavment, and with no one around to supervise his grieving, it's really no surprise to me that he would act the way he does. Last edited by Raxtenko; 2004-12-03 at 12:40. |
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Oh well, Kira charging wrecklessly at Rau, not caring about dodging the gun turret shots and shoving the beam saber through his cockpit was definitely a paramount example of just how the series led up to the end for him. |
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2004-12-03, 21:57 | Link #76 | |
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Well technically, we never saw Justice's METEOR unit get destroyed so it might have been recovered if it survived teh Genesis exploding or if it was simply recovered beforehand by the Eternal. So who knows, Freedom might use Justice's METEOR unit later in Destiny. Shinn isn't really a bastard, he's just undisciplined. No soldier should be making those kinds of outbursts at a foreign diplomat. Suprised they haven't tossed in a cell for a few hours to cool down. They had to do that to amuro a couple times in MSG if I remember right. |
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On the subject of acting out while you're a soldier, Kira wasn't even (technically) a soldier, rather a civilian and he always took orders, minus the times when he was morally opposed to taking them (And rightly so). |
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2004-12-04, 20:47 | Link #78 | |
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2004-12-04, 21:18 | Link #79 | |
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My circumstantial evidence is that Isaac no longer pilots Duel, and I'm sure he had a great attachment to that suit. It seems that in every Gundam series i've watched (especially Wing), the suit seems to become an extension of the pilot, a part of his personality, his soul...I think Isaac would pilot Duel if it was still around. |
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