2011-06-30, 19:27 | Link #3182 | |||
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First of all, welcome Kyardan, mirei and Karla.
Those character designs... Variety isn't something they're big on in FT, is it? Seriously, Milliardo Naina looks manlier than her bro. And what's up with "colony leader Heero Yuy"? You'd think he'd be more jovial than our solemn sack of joy turned Gundam pilot. Or maybe he's just really tired of having Katrina interrupt his every sentence..? Anyway, I'd like to pick up the previous conversation. Sorry to butt in, folks. Quote:
That aside, I don't think Sumizawa has read too much fanfic. If that were the case, Trowa would be mute, Wu Fei would be homophobic and referring to women only by 'woman' (or better yet, 'onna', because it makes total sense for a Chinese to speak Japanese ), Duo would be a loud idiot who'd play pranks all the time and Heero would be either hitting on Relena nonstop or angsting for five thousand pages "what those weird feelings are." Though I can see that last one happening in FT. No, I think Sumizawa simply hasn't watched GW in a long time, but has watched plenty of other shows. It's the only reason I can think of of why Duo and Wu Fei suddenly have a Goku-Vegeta relationship or why some women are sobbing, lovesick idiots, who'd give up everything for the love of their life. Bah, the latter reminds me so much of Inu Yasha, especially the ending. Anyway. I think the best way I can put it is that I believe Sumizawa doesn't know GW anymore, he only remembers it. At least, where the characters are concerned. He has a general idea of how they acted but he has forgotten about the details (like the majority of people who were fans back then). He's applying stereotypes. I realize this is quite the statement to make, so allow me to elaborate. As I mentioned, the relationship dynamics between Duo and Wu Fei are one of the things that had me raise my brow. Although Wu Fei taunted Duo in the series it was never in a hostile manner. So I was quite surprised about the whole "I never considered you a friend" thing. Not to mention that Kathy describes them as bickering kids. Then there's Heero. The entire circumstances about him being frozen don't add up to me. He said he wouldn't kill anymore at the end of EW. Why on Earth would he agree to be further used as a 'weapon' then? What became of "I will survive!"? Not exactly living as an ice block, is he? That's what bothers me most about him in FT. At the end of the series he had stopped seeing himself as expendable. He wanted to live. And at the end of EW he wanted to live a life without killing. And now Sumizawa tells me he froze himself? To kill people? wtf. Next one would be Duo. *sigh* What did he do to him? The guy grows up on the streets, loses his family twice, survives a war and still walks around with a smile on his face, albeit with a very cynic streak. And now Sumizawa expects me to believe that in FT he's turned into an self-pitying, unreliable bastard? What? The one who fought "so that no one else would have to", who went out of his way to save people in trouble and felt guilty when people suffered because of him suddenly marries the girl he calls his home because he wants to buy a motorbike, sets off into the wilderness without giving a damn about her or anything else and pretty much dumps all his responsibilities (namely a church) on her? What did he smoke? Though I think Kit said something about having expected something like that. If you could elaborate, I'd be very grateful. Because I really can't see it. Lastly, there would be the women. GW is one of the very few anime in which males and females are equally badass. All of them. We got soldiers, knife-throwers, guerillas and princesses, who keep their cool even though the very building they stand in is under fire. Now, let's look at FT. Is Angelina badass? No. Is Aoi? Nope. Hilde and Catherine seem badass, though. But they're also crazy. Punching people for not saying hi? Yeah, that's crazy in my book. Did something like that happen in GW? I can't recall an instance. And don't get me started on the whole love business. GW's greatest offender was Noin with counting the days since she last saw Zechs. And maybe Relena for constantly saying Heero's name, if you interpret it that way. But FT is dripping with sap. I know, that's not really an argument but it doesn't do anything to contribute to a GW feeling for the novel either. In the end, I think that's what I want to say. FT doesn't really read like something related to GW. It doesn't "feel" like Gundam Wing. Quote:
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You'd be surprised by how small the number of people who hate him is by now. Besides, Wu Fei is awesome and I won't have anyone blindly hate on him. Not when you can easily twist him into being either a tragic hero, a tragic romantic or just the plain badass kung fu guy. And although he is jerk, he isn't being a jerk about it. He'll only rub it in your face when you actually do something stupid. To this I only say: "I will kill you." And for the rest of the series and movie you see him rushing to her aid and protecting her all the time. Yeah, Heero is totally a man of his word. It definitely isn't a case of "actions speak louder than words". Or better yet, acting on your emotions. |
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2011-06-30, 21:51 | Link #3183 | ||
AHH IT'S A GUNDAM--*boom*
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Yes, GW IS a gundam series - mecha, action, explosions, etc. But I really loved the characters and all the development they went through. Relena went from being sheltered and somewhat ignorant to a girl who fought to keep her ideal of peace alive. I felt Heero was more developed in the beginning after reading Episode Zero but he definitely grew by the end of the series. He already valued life but I think he learned to value his own too. For him to decide to become a weapon again is too out of character. Argh. Way too much stuff to recount but it had great stories and great characters...I don't quite understand how Sumisawa managed to forget all of this. =__= Quote:
On a side note, I never understood why Wufei got all the hate he did. I mean, he was blunt but he had his own ideals about war and peace and I thought he made for a really interesting character. (His past in Episode Zero made me like him a lot more too. Maybe if they had put that in the series...?) 10 years after Endless Waltz? I'm going to go with the best case scenario and pray that the gundams were never remade (as much as I'd love to see that) and that war did not break out every other year. I feel the closing scene of Endless Waltz really made it for me: Relena will continue to promote peace and work with politicians; I feel Heero would either work to protect her or go on living a peaceful life, maybe even try getting a normal job? Duo and Hilde will do fine in their business and I can see children in their lives. I'm not too sure about Wufei and Sally, given Wufei's past I wouldn't shoot the idea down. Basically...my vision of them 10 years from now is NOT what Frozen Teardrop describes lol. |
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2011-06-30, 22:03 | Link #3184 | |
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Sorry dude, but that's one of the most inane things I've heard in this thread. A writer doesn't "forget" their works the way you "forget" a movie you've watched. He might leave, work on other stuff, and come back with a fresh or different outlook or ideas. It's different from say, actors, who usually don't watch the movies they're in; everything originates with the writer, the ideas, the characters, the plot. They don't forget. Spoiler for Spoiler cuttin' the rest of this for space:
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2011-06-30, 22:20 | Link #3186 | |
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And there were three scriptwriters? Lol how did I miss this, who were the other two? Or do you mean like, the director and someone else? Since I know Sumisawa quit over creative differences with Ikeda. |
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2011-06-30, 22:31 | Link #3187 | |
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Anime News Networks "confirms" those names working on GW and it's related works, so I guess the info on Wiki was true.
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2011-06-30, 22:55 | Link #3188 |
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Ahh, yeah, just went to ANN to look. And Omode did BT, right? So yeah, if Ikeda was both on the scriptwriting team and directing, and Sumisawa was Head Scenario Writer and scriptwriter, I can see how they were butting heads, lol. The Creative Guy and the Logic Guy rarely get along... :B
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2011-06-30, 23:02 | Link #3189 | |
Mama there goes that man!
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2011-06-30, 23:18 | Link #3191 | |
Mama there goes that man!
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I want to but I've got some other stuff I'm saving up for. I went to it for the first time two years ago and blew like $160 over the two/three days. Had a blast though. Will you be going?
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2011-06-30, 23:30 | Link #3192 | |
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(If anyone else is going and sees me, feel free to say hi btw) |
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2011-07-01, 04:16 | Link #3195 |
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Why... Naina, what has happened? You look like a dude ;_;'
(Scary, too. For a girl. I keep picturing her saying "Objection!!") That said, could someone please help clarify: The recent episode with little!Naina who was left with Duo/Hilde was a few years in the past, and since then, uh, something has happened, and this chapter, a few years later (!?) we get Zechs (the real one!??) with Tallgeese, Zechs (fake one!?) with Epyon, and Wufei with Epyon Bai (what?)... doing what exactly, and how do Quaterine, Naina and Mille come into this? x__x How do they even know each other? (And where is their mum?) Meanwhile, Relena wants to die. Wow, glad things have started making sense while I was gone... |
2011-07-01, 05:02 | Link #3196 |
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Response to IkuzeMinna, Kitsoru and Elo the Blue's posts:
Spoiler for So long, it could be a novel.:
I put a lot of effort writing this. So in all honesty, I'd feel bad if one or all three of you went: TLDR on this. But despite that, I wouldn't be surprised if any of you guys did lol so please don't feel like you're obliged to read this. I only felt confident writing it this long because it's a discussion thread anyway. |
2011-07-01, 06:07 | Link #3197 | ||||
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Insane (I know you're ESL, so, I figured I'd clarify that for you. I said inane, which implies more that it's lacking logic than lacking sanity.) Quote:
Anyway, I'm just not surprised by their behavior. In Duo's case, he explains his behavior and how he's felt since the end of EW himself in chapter 8 which is narrated by him (which I know most people haven't read yet, but he does. You'll see). And as for Wufei, Sumisawa goes through the trouble to have Duo explain to Kathy that he's always been like that. Kathy notes this is his usual behavior. I think people would be complaining even more if they were suddenly balanced, mature adults, which they OUGHT to have complained if he had :P They didn't exactly have the most conducive environment to becoming balanced and mature adults (mature is the wrong word because they were all 'mature' in a sense as 15 year olds, being Gundam pilots, but I can't think of a better one atm). Quote:
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Honest question, because I'm curious if this has anything to do with it: Are you a guy or girl? I know it's a gender stereotype but I am honestly curious if males or females are having a harder time understanding Relena's behavior. Quote:
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2011-07-01, 06:30 | Link #3198 | |
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There's so much I want to say right now but I can't because I have to get cellulose thinner to get paint off my pants. So I'm reserving this spot for a lengthy reply. One little thing though.
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The scene in FT could be different, of course so I can't really tell yet. As for the example I brought up, it's still different in my opinion because Relena shed tears out of relief, not sadness. But heck, what am I arguing about anyway. Relena crying really didn't bother me as much as it may sound. There's other stuff I get annoyed by. But more of that later. *runs to store* EDIT: Well, got the paint off. And the color as well. -__- Anyway, seems like I got the discussion rolling again. Bold statements tend to do that, haha. Now, in order for people to understand my point, I guess it's best if I start at the beginning and explain my take on GW first, so that I can build on that as to what expectations I have of a continuation and why FT is, pardon, pissing me off so much. Note that this is only my personal opinion and not intended to aggravate anyone with different views. I'm only voicing my thoughts here. Spoiler for my very long rambling:
Okay, done. Man, I'm an arrogant, little dork that believes to know the series better than its head writer... Oh well. By the way, I fried my brain with this. If there's a word missing anywhere or sentences just stop.. indulge me. I'll edit later. Last edited by IkuzeMinna; 2011-07-02 at 06:30. |
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2011-07-01, 07:09 | Link #3199 | |
AHH IT'S A GUNDAM--*boom*
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I haven't seen GW cosplays in so long! I'll definitely look for you guys this year. |
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2011-07-01, 07:29 | Link #3200 | ||
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But yes, if you see me, say hi! I'll be at the Gundam shoot Friday at 2, inner fountains. |
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