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2010-02-06, 18:59 | Link #1022 | |
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You know I'll admit I was kind of foolish to forget that once the release hits it's nearly impossible to have the same amount of consistent in your face hype about a movie as it is for a TV serial that typically has weekly entries for several months. There is no cycle, it's just boom and then it's done. You might hear about it in the papers during the promotion blitz with slogans and sales quotes and then just as quickly things go back down to a readable level. hehe...who would have ever thought I'd be the one to say that I don't think things will get to out of hand with regard to Haruhi. No seriously I really do agree with Bri and think that things might well become more moderate and that it'll only serve to give the franchise some new lifeblood by opening it up to interest from the less hardcore fans who were probably terrified and put off by the zealous "Haruhiism" style reactions to the franchise circa 2006 (and yes you can put me on the cusp of that group that was confused and unsure what to make of it all). I'd been meaning to post something about whether Haruhi could ever be a franchise for people other than the hardcore and well.....I guess we might find out if that can be the case. |
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2010-02-06, 20:07 | Link #1023 | |
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2010-02-06, 20:29 | Link #1024 |
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I agree with Bri, and Kaoshin's last two posts.
Three Years Layoff + disappointment over Haruhi 2009 in some circles has taken a lot of the wind of hype out of Haruhi's sales. The negative to this, of course, is that Haruhi is no longer the sort of internet phenomena that she and her anime once was. The positive to this, though, is what Bri and Kaoshin have pointed out. This anime franchise is no longer surrounded with over-the-top hype as much as it once was, and it is true that such hype can frighten or annoy a lot of potential fans off. I do think that Haruhi is in a good position to slowly but surely regain a large and potent fanbase, only this time with a fanbase perhaps focused more on basic standards of quality than on hype, and personally, I think this is great. I've long felt that some of the finer elements of this anime franchise can get lost in all the hype (finer elements like the distinctive art style, and excellent animation, particularly for "money shot" scenes).
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2010-02-06, 21:28 | Link #1025 |
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I would argue that it was the overwhelming hype that made Avatar the top-grossing movie. Despite it's mediocrity, in my personal opinion.
We are *not* talking about a Church here. I have been put off going to some Churches because of the stories of zealotry of those Churches. (I'm an agnostic, but I also want to see what a Church service is like) It's not as if once you pop in that DVD and open up the .mkv file a few ninja Haruhi fans are going to pop up behind your comfy chair and start demanding you convert or else they are going to go Haruhi-style Mikuru molest on you. |
2010-02-07, 01:00 | Link #1026 |
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Even though I do many other active things besides watching anime, Kyon's experience in Disappearance resonated with me when I first read it. His reaction and response to the "I'm trapped in time!" conflict reminded me of why I loved watching Back to the Future: I was easily able to project myself into his position and let him be my avatar in this fantastic world.
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And for reasons stated above, I am pleased that the first reports and reviews of the Disappearance movie have been positive in respect to its animation quality and accuracy in regards to the novel's content.
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2010-02-07, 01:18 | Link #1028 | |
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2010-02-07, 03:19 | Link #1029 | |
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And I hope that if the second/third season comes soon after Disappearance, that might finally be enough to get completely rid of the bad taste left behind by Endless Eight for you. Looking forward to the movie. |
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2010-02-07, 04:06 | Link #1030 | |
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I'm not even one of those who wishes E8 had been only one episode. Showing multiple iterations is a brilliant move, they just went waaaay overboard. Three episodes would have been ideal, and then they could have spent the extra budget on giving BLR some better animation... Nothing wrong with a 23 episode "season 1", after all...
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2010-02-07, 05:17 | Link #1031 | |
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I am glad that the hype around this show has died down and that we're able to talk about the plot, animation, music, characters, and little subtleties that were glossed over due to the big hype (especially Hare Hare Yukai). The show is still picking up new fans and returning old ones (like me). I have little doubt we'll be seeing a second season of Haruhi soon since they can animate in chronological order without having to worry about the two-ton gorilla that is Vanishment.
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2010-02-07, 10:07 | Link #1034 | ||
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Thanks for the concern, lol. But, in complete honesty... I'm pretty confident that there will be another Haruhi season, and as long as KyoAni/Kadokawa handles that well, E8 will just be something that I (and some other Haruhi fans, I'm sure) can look back on and crack jokes about in a lighthearted way. Truthfully, the word "endless" will forever more tickle my funny bone due to Haruhi 2009... Truthfully, at this point, it's the three year layoff (2006 to 2009) that bothers me more than E8 does, really. I hope that we don't have to wait three more years for another Haruhi movie and/or another Haruhi season. But even if there is a long wait, I'd be shocked if there's not another Haruhi season. Quote:
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2010-02-07, 10:12 | Link #1035 | |
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Did KyoAni mess up? Given the clever chums that they are and the benefit of hindsight, I'll have to say no, they didn't. Sure, they made unpopular decisions, they put off potential fans, they even downright lost fans, hardcore ones at that (you won't believe how much complaints about the series I get when I pull out my Haruhi deck to play). But I still believe they knew what was going to happen, and in fact, we have just been playing into their hands all along. When you reach the zenith, it's hard to go further anymore. Time to take a fall, and then climb back up triumphantly. |
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Tsuguhiko Kadokawa confirmed the marketing was fully under their control and intentional. He also states that Endless Eight was the work of the director, Tatsuya Ishihara. He has full creative control over the Haruhi anime project and the backing of Kadokawa. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...uhiko-kadokawa. The second season and the eight part version of E8 had been planned even before april 2007 as Yakuta Yamamoto was aware of it before his dismissal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqy8x-zKuKw. "When you reach the zenith, it's hard to go further anymore. Time to take a fall, and then climb back up triumphantly". I think this sums it up. If you have to fail, better fail gloriously. Endless Eight received far more attention then all the well received anime of 2009. As advertisement goes, it kept Haruhi in the spotlight and reset the expectations for the movie. |
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In the business world, you strike while the iron is hot; you respond when the demand is at its zenith. Once you've reached the zenith, you don't say "Oh well. Can't do more. We can't possibly keep up the success, or meet fan expectations, anyway. Might as well intentionally fail to lower expectations." Once you reach the zenith, you try to keep it up. That is what Clannad did with After Story. That is what Code Geass did with R2. And they were commercially rewarded for it. And, in the case of Clannad: After Story at least, many feel that as much as they liked the original, the sequel actually exceeded it. You always aim for improvement; you always aim to meet or exceed hype, if its financially feasible for you to attempt that aim. That is what made all the big successes of the entertainment world the big successes that they are. They did not sit on their laurels, or purposely try to lower fan expectations. That is the wrong business strategy, period. Look, I'm willing to forgive Endless Eight, and the three year layoff, but I hate; absolutely hate with a passion; these defenses of E8 and the three-year layoff that just runs totally contrary to anything and everything that I've learned (in real life and in university) about business and economics. It's also a very bad argument for fans in particular to be making. As fans, we should want the animation companies that we like to try as much as they can to put out good products and meet fan demands. We should want them to keep trying to impress us. Ultimately, the fan wins when this is the case. The fan loses, at least to some degree, when companies take approaches that run contrary to that. When you catch lightning in a bottle like KyoAni/Kadokawa did with Haruhi back in 2006, you don't just let it sit there for three years. And you don't pull risky stunts with it when it can sell perfectly well (and arguably better) with out them. You just keep putting the product out there, and trying to meet fan demands and expectations. Now, once you sense that market saturation may be setting in, then yes you pull back a bit and let the fans appetite for more gradually build up again. But market demand for the Haruhi anime was nowhere near such a saturation point after just one 13 episode Season back in 2006. The enormous popularity of gender-bended Haruhi is perfect proof of that. That degree of popularity is a sure sign of a vacuum being filled; a vacuum caused by a lack of new, fresh Haruhi anime material. The three-year layoff hurt the Haruhi franchise. It did not help it. It's lowered the volume of the hype surrounding the Haruhi franchise, which is a nice side-effect, but it was a commercial mistake. It's also very telling to me that the first Sigh DVD sold better than the last two E8 DVDs... Quote:
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2010-02-07, 14:03 | Link #1038 | |
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Can we please not turn this, yet again, into yet another "the merits of Endless Eight and Kadokawa's marketing strategy" thread? Haven't we had enough? If you must, at least take it to a more appropriate thread.
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