2009-09-21, 01:53 | Link #161 | |
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Let me ask you guys this...isn't there a possibility...since this is an anime...with people who can eat fruits that turn them into monsters, that this might of just been a coincidence to advance the plot. If Kuma really did intend on this...that would mean he only came to the Saboady Archiplego(SP) to send them to each of these islands. Within the tiny time frame between luffy hit the world noble, and his battle with kuma, Kuma had all these islands in his head and had pin pointed exactly how he would need to hit them to get them to land on these islands. Not to mention he would have to account for the fact that any of them could of easily died, especially franky/chopper who are shown so far. He was going to take luffy, and kill the rest of the strawhats until they showed their undying loyalty to luffy, specifically Zoro during the Thriller Bark arc. If zoro had not stepped up, it is fully conceivable that luffy would be dead/jailed at this point in the story (Which obviously wouldn't happen). Do you honestly think if Kuma had not planned this, Oda would just have one of the DF users land in the water and die? Obviously not, since it would be entirely anticlimactic. Last but not least..this is the One Piece world, not the Earth we live on. We have no idea how much of their world is covered by water. |
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In other words, this is not a series in which the main character actively trains, rather his various abilities come after he sees or learns something that causes him to want to change an ability or create a new one. Quote:
You can, of course, argue whether Kuma sent them to specific places to train or level-up (it is almost impossible to argue that he didn't send them to specific islands, sicne we already know he has the ability to send people to specific destinations). But, if they do level-up, then Kuma's forced journey will have proved positive in nature which, consequently, adds creedence to the idea that Kuma is not loyal at all to the WG. Quote:
The Blue Sea is the vast surface of the planet that is split up into 4 distinct Oceans (East, West, North and South Blue), with the Red Line (the largest body of land in the vast sea) and the Grand Line/Calm Belt splitting the world like a giant cross. Last edited by james0246; 2009-09-21 at 02:43. |
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2009-09-21, 02:42 | Link #163 | ||
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chapter 513 again; the bottom left scene in the link. Quote:
And you said this... Luffy leaving Amazon Lily so soon is just a turn of events. I think Kuma planned him to stay there longer. Who knows...? |
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2009-09-21, 07:25 | Link #165 | |
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On the other hand pirates has a quake machine and a phoenix.Not even mentioning the useless diamond man that is destined to get slaughtered by Mihawk&DazBones sooner or later. And behind all this, Revo army has only Dragon so far...and the tranny commander that just got owned by WG's goddamn jailor. I still think WG has the upper hand in all this stuff.Whitebeard looks like winning because after all thats their showtime.He requires these flashy scenes in order to look strong. |
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2009-09-21, 10:07 | Link #166 | |
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There is a big difference between not liking one Chapter, and not liking any chapter at all, still read the series, and post about how you dont like the serieschapter in the process. Either way, I’m with James, the Chapter was boring, Not Bad, but Boring, Oda just wanted to make a grand entrance with Luffy and in the process introduce humor once again that have been absent in the last 2 or 3 Chapters.
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2009-09-21, 10:34 | Link #168 | |
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2009-09-21, 11:04 | Link #169 |
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I actually had always assumed that Kuma did indeed choose where to send each of the Straw Hats. I figured that those large paw prints in the floor were kind of like warp pads that he planted across the world, and as such, sent each Straw Hat to each respective pad for his own purpose. I thought it was pretty obvious, personally.
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2009-09-21, 11:49 | Link #170 | |
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2009-09-21, 11:58 | Link #171 |
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I'm sorry but are people actually debating over whether or not Kuma planned to send the strawhats to their different destinations. For goodness sake, nami the "weather master" went to Weatheria, that alone should be proof enough that this was all planned.
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2009-09-21, 13:16 | Link #172 |
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As far as Kuma vanishing the crew to those specific locations goes, I think it's best to say that yes, it was an orchestrated move (someone else mentioned the same idea last year as well, but I forget who). However, unless he's in cahoots with someone that can predict the future, I doubt that he planned the exact course of events that the crew would go through in those islands in advance (did Kuma actually send Luffy to Amazon Lily for the specific purpose of convincing its empress to take him to Impel Down (and even making her fall in love with him in the process)? I think not, especially since he told Luffy that they wouldn't meet again.....). If the theory of Kuma being one of Dragon's spies is true, then he probably sent the Straw-Hats to those islands so they wouldn't be involved in the upcoming war. Of course, if that WAS the case, then the plan backfired, seeing as Luffy's currently present in Marineford......
Anyway, if Kuma is truly a spy then maybe Emporio knows something about him, seeing as he's quite the knowledgeable shemale (though I guess this would also depend on whether or not Kuma allied himself with Dragon before Iva went to jail). We also still don't know what relationship the Bible bear has with the good Dr. Vegapunk....... |
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May be, when Kuma launches his ability, a path between starting location and ending location is created, and at the end of this path the surface takes pawn shape by the pressure. We still don't know detailed information about Kuma's ability. At the very first episodes, Luffy was getting hurt when he took physical blow, later it got stated that blows doesn't work on him because he was made of rubber. OK, I accept that this is not a good example, but I'm trying to say that some details about abilities doesn't need to make sense in real world and the form of the ability used in fight may put various techniques which shouldn't necessarily be what it looks like. Do you remember the sea-kings that tried to eat Luffy just before he landed on that pawn mark? A mysterious and invisible spherical encapsulation that covers flying Luffy's body hit those monsters. How do you explain that invisible force? I don't know either... Since Kuma pushes the air at super high velocities, the pawn mark which is hundreds of kilometers away is created at the very moment the ability is used. But interestingly, pushed body moves much slower that this pushed air. In my theory, that's the reason why that pawn mark was already there when Luffy landed. |
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2009-09-21, 15:21 | Link #174 | |
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I'll say this chapter is extremely boring, but compared to the ridiculousness of Bleach(unnecessary flashback and out-of-character ability) and Naruto(another chapter displaying how Sasuke is totally awesome for fending off a couple of the villages' strongest ninjas, might as well rename the manga), no.
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2009-09-21, 18:04 | Link #175 | |
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2009-09-21, 22:09 | Link #176 | ||
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This paw bubble deflects everything, ensuring the 'traveller' will reach the place Kuma is sending to. And you can see that when Luffy landed on Amazon Lily, the paw bubble collided with the ground to create the paw imprint. Quote:
I don't think Sanji subconsciously wants to end up in the Okama kingdom, its more likely that he would end up in Amazon Lily or All Blue.
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2009-09-22, 09:42 | Link #179 |
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not really, in the situation sanji was sent away, the most dominant emotion/feeling sub- as well as concious, was desperation over the fact that he was too weak to defend his nakama and thus the felt need to become stronger. that fact fits jursuns theory rather well
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2009-09-22, 11:56 | Link #180 |
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james, I cant find any humor in insulting a series, no matter how much you dont like the series or a chapter.
The problem is, that considering a Chapter "garbage" is totally subjective, and hence it is not Canon, as Canon is based on Objectivity. And Based on someone labeling a Chapter Garbage, is usually made by those who falls under the category of not liking any chapter or hating the series. In other words someone that doesn’t like a chapter doesn’t go an label say chapter as Garbage. words usually used are "I didnt liek this chapter". "This Chapter sucked", "This Chapter Was boring". I have read some good amount of mangas, And I never have ended up considering something as Garbage, is insulting to the person who puts his heart and effort on a product that not everybody is going to like, but it has people that do like it. and Considering One piece as Garbage (and that it is crap writing) is risible at best, here we are presented with the most successful shounen title to date, I doubt Garbage has this properties, or are you implying those people who like this series are also Garbage themselves? Or you either don't know the consequences that your words can carry, or you do know these consequences and just do it for personal intentions. Also, You should stop making yourself look like you don’t know what you are saying, unfortunately for you, Oda is a good writer inside this genre, but, not even the best of all the writers can please all the readers.
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