2013-02-08, 13:19 | Link #125 |
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It's cultural tightrope to walk when discussing offensive language. Already so much is lost in a written medium. I hope RichB has someone to talk to before they get bitter. The more one holds onto stereotypes, the worse the betrayal of expectations can be when they find a real person instead.
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2013-02-08, 13:22 | Link #126 | |
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At least people who are mean on purpose know how to stop being mean. |
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2013-02-08, 13:39 | Link #127 | |
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Ever had someone who just didn't like you? Sometimes we can't stop being ourselves regardless of intent. Like 'meanness' it can be near impossible to shut off. Hopefully this potentially well meaning human gets real, immediate, and applicable advice. Men throwing their biologically driven stupid at other people and receiving rejections is a recipe for 'nice guy.' The result is just as tough to watch as friends who stay with those 'I know how to protect a woman' men. Last edited by Mitsuho; 2013-02-08 at 13:41. Reason: English. |
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2013-02-08, 13:45 | Link #128 | |
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Yes people who are mean on purpose have malicious intent, but the key is that they can change and stop whenever they want to. A ignorant person does not know that they're being mean, so they cannot possibly stop whenever they want to, not without someone telling them what's wrong. I would think the ignorant person will do it more often than the mean person because the ignorant one believes he's being nice. There are more well-meaning people in the world than mean, evil ones who are mean on purpose. |
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2013-02-08, 14:12 | Link #129 | |
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Nature, and to a much lesser mandatory education, both leave humans ill equipped to handle cultural differences. |
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2013-02-08, 14:19 | Link #130 | |
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And in this case, "well-intentioned" == "errors of ignorance". That's what I meant when I say well-intentioned. Only talking about people who end up being mean or hurting other people's feelings regardless of whether or not they meant to. Not people who mean well and actually do well. |
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2013-02-08, 14:53 | Link #131 | |
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Mean+Ill intent > Mean+No ill intent How can the ignorant be the worst when their motivation is good and can be taught to be more open to cultural ideas? We all start somewhere. The way I see it, we are normalizing each other and lurkers to a new animesuki culture. Ultimately the ideas may be rejected or subsumed in a very subtle manner. It's usually not blatant like 'We are now oppressing cross cultural daters!' RichB isn't here to hear us. The only ones benefiting from evaluating where and in what manner of offense they have committed is us. Like tailoring one's communication to meet each individual differently, the way one would approach ignorance and meanness differs. It might be easier for one communication style or cultural product to deal with rational meanness but that doesn't exclude those who are great at educating and deprogramming stereotypes. |
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2013-02-08, 15:14 | Link #132 | |
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And, mean comments hurt no matter who says them or why (unless its a friend or something). Yes ignorant people may be able to be fixed, but who's going to fix them? They can't fix themselves. A person who knows they are wrong could fix themselves, or pretend to be nice when they want. An ignorant person can't pretend. But again, the comments themselves are equally hurtful. |
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2013-02-08, 15:43 | Link #135 |
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We cannot strive to look out the sides of our eyes, trying to catch a glimpse of where we didn't previously know that we were ignorant?
Surely you and I are seeing some evidence of the pain we leave in our wakes? Is there nothing to be done for our blindness? |
2013-02-10, 02:14 | Link #137 |
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Maybe some of the blame for the negative reputation that moderate anime fans get can be placed on the fringe radicals that is taking JPOP overly seriously.
My only beef with some of the so-called "wapanese" is how their love for anime and JRPGs made them love Japan unconditionally to the point of allying themselves with Japan's fringe far right. You know, people like Ishihara, Hashimoto and their Uyoku-Dantai cronies? Taking sides with a tunnel vision on political matters they know nothing of in terms of their true depth and complexity. As someone here mentioned earlier I am refering to a particular type of "anime-fans" commonly seen on the likes of Sankaku Complex and 4chan. Sankaku is especially worrying though, those guys have potential for violence, judging from their comments. |
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2013-02-10, 05:28 | Link #139 |
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Ugh, Sankaku is pretty much just a pile of lies and shit... the little interesting truth that can be gleaned can be found much easier somewhere else. And yes the comments there scare me too, but I thought they were all troll comments because they dislike Sankaku as well. Seems they're actually serious?
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