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2010-04-28, 10:14 | Link #9442 | |
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I found Krauss' line about "a loving family" a bit of black humour by Ryuukishi, like that nothing brings a family closer that being threatened with murder. As for Kyrie, we know from her various rants on her envy for Asumu that she has no idea that Battler is her son (assuming he is) coming to the island, and is usually not shown to be aware when she dies. She might have a gut feeling he is, but mostly I think it's just her trying to comfort Battler in a way only a mother could, especially since at that point Rudolf is apparently dead. |
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2010-04-28, 10:33 | Link #9443 |
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Such an assumption is interesting not only because of the shoujo manga style twist -- which would not be out of place considering the things we have actually seen to date -- but also because while that would make Battler a rightful heir right after Krauss, it would be impossible to publicise that fact without digging up a wardrobe full of family skeletons.
Which makes an ideal motivation to try to install him as the head by forcing him to solve the epitaph, not to mention motivation to oppose doing that.
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2010-04-28, 11:18 | Link #9444 | |
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In EP1, they say that the Rose isn't healthy because it bloomed earlier and alone, and thus will wither earlier too. Maria noticed it and was sad because this rose was like her. |
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2010-04-28, 13:12 | Link #9445 |
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Geez. Two fathers and two mothers? We don't have to make it even more confusing for him do we? I think Kyrie and Krauss have a weird relationship yes, but it seems to be more of a rivalry than a friendship. I'd imagine Rudolf would only know about the mother though he'd have no knowledge about a father other than himself.
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2010-04-28, 13:20 | Link #9446 | |
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There is only one time any promise has been specifically mentioned instead of hinted and that's pony theory, but that seems less possible now. It's revealed later that he got that line from Rudolf I think. Shannon also said a lot of things happened 6 years ago and that the person in question didn't want to remember so she decides not to talk about it. So there is information they know that we aren't getting. There is probably something that he did or said 6 years ago that we wouldn't be able to think of exactly since there is not a lot of information on him and 6 years ago. So therefore we have to figure out who would be most affected by a broken promise and since the promise was said to be not between him and Beatrice... Maria is the next person I'd think of who would obsess over a promise like that even if it was a joke.
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There's a scene in episode 2 where she talks entirely about the risk Beatrice took to making her promise in the letter so I think Maria is important and she knows a lot more than we give her credit for.
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2010-04-28, 14:20 | Link #9449 |
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About that, during Battler's initial introduction of the characters he said that Rosa was the kind of person that would always keep her promises.
I guess that Battler isn't very good at understanding people.
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2010-04-28, 14:26 | Link #9450 | |
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This line from episode 6 makes it very probable that the sin is a broken promise in many people's eyes:
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2010-04-28, 14:29 | Link #9451 | |
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Also, in the beginning of EP1, I find really weird that Maria imitates EVERYTHING that battler does. She doesn't do it any more after the beginning of EP1, if I remember correctly. Also, Kyrie/Rosa/Rudolf are talking about Asumu, and Kyrie has already mean words against her, and Rosa seems to be well informed. |
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2010-04-28, 14:37 | Link #9454 |
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I guess Rosa keeps promises to people she's close to then. Or rather it seems she keeps promises to adults better than her child. Maybe she just has trouble remembering childish promises like going to the movies and getting tickets to Delsney land.
The people she brought the tea for were Kumasawa and Natsuhi right? And She also seems to be chummy with Kyrie too. Most of the mothers seem to like her. Besides that Battler has nothing, but good images of his family, whom he hardly knows, so it's not that surprising that his narration puts them in a good light. EDIT: Actually if Battler is good at reading people that would be more of a reason to think Maria's diary was biased like Renall said. Is there anyone else he's read wrong besides Rosa?
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2010-04-28, 14:59 | Link #9456 | |
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Is there any way she could be connected to the Sumaderas? Well, assuming that one or more people on the island is planning murder, and Battler wanted to believe them all innocent... yes, he is bad at reading people. |
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2010-04-28, 15:05 | Link #9458 | |
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Someone told me it's revealed in episode 6 that Hideyoshi used to be a Yakuza though and George seems to know about it from talking to his friends. Eva has no idea though. The Sumaderas are probably Yakuza, and they're connected to Okonogi foods in episode 4 too so it all pieces together when you think about it.
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2010-04-28, 15:07 | Link #9460 | |
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Ange got them both from 'Maria's belongings after her death'. But we know the endgame event wiped much of this stuff out - pretty much everything all the way to Kuwadorian. Ange doesn't have any physical memento of Battler other than the hair ornament he got for her. But if the guesthouse, where the guests to the island ended up and where their belongings were located was untouched by the endgame event, there would be no need for Rosa and Maria to escape in Ep2, and Maria's stuff, which was in a room right next to Battler's stuff, would be of much less interest to Ange - she could be wearing Battler's own shirt if she wanted to! We know that Maria always carried her grimoire in the handbag, though. While a diary may have survived if it has never been on Rokkenjima, and remained in Maria's room when she left, Battler sees Maria pull the grimoire out several times. I can't see a reason why Eva could have possibly recovered Maria's handbag and then still let Ange get her hands on it if she did.
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