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[Saturn Beaver]

Originally Posted by broken270

Speculation

Spoiler:

Something is really fishy about all of this. Like Victorique said, the hilt of the dagger was really placed too high for someone of Victoruque's size, so she could not have been the culprit. The fact that there were others that testified to different times bugs me.What about the gold pieces. A robbery? Was he just holding on it before he was stabbed? I do not know if her high fever has a significance as to more reasoning on why she could not have been the culprit. The elder said that she screamed and quickly left the house. I think the murder was done before Cordelia stepped foot inside the place th change the water jug. I think Cordelia was in the wrong place at the wrong time. So, who was it, and why did it have to take a clock ringing for her to perfectly analyze the whole situation? Does the fact that people testified at different times symbolize anything?

I wonder about the picture taken ten years ago. It cannot be coincidence that Brian Roscoe just happened to be in town to put electricity in the city exactly ten years ago as well. I wonder who he is. Maybe, there is some relation to him, Cordelia, and maybe Victorique. I suspect the red-haired magician on the sole reasoning that he gave kujo the hat that made Grevil think that Victorique was actually Cordelia.

Now that I think about it, the great wind that would shake the world could very well be WWII. It would make a lot of sense. Kujo would have to be forced to come back to Japan and work at the army, since he is the third son of the an imperial soldier. He most likely would have to leave Victorique as well for that matter. Even though they are separated, they will still remember each other and have feelings for each other inside. Touching, but I would rather hope that they continue to be together till the very end. At least, have Kujo ditch his pride and choose Victorique.

To answer your questions in the first paragraph, I think of it this way. The reason she took notice of the clock ringing was that it rings thrice when it's exactly 3 PM; so, assuming the clock is the same (Clock looks quite old and has been there for a long time) if the murder really does happen at 00:00 like the elder said, the clock will chime twelve times. Twelve times, coupled with how they immediately rushed in, means that they will definitely heard it if it was really 00:00, and no need to check their own watches. Still, all it proves is that the murder didn't happen at exactly 00:00 like the elder said, and prove that there is a time difference, but whose clock was tampered and why? And how does it connects to everything? I haven't figured it out so far...

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver

To answer your questions in the first paragraph, I think of it this way. The reason she took notice of the clock ringing was that it rings thrice when it's exactly 3 PM; so, assuming the clock is the same (Clock looks quite old and has been there for a long time) if the murder really does happen at 00:00 like the elder said, the clock will chime twelve times. Twelve times, coupled with how they immediately rushed in, means that they will definitely heard it if it was really 00:00, and no need to check their own watches. Still, all it proves is that the murder didn't happen at exactly 00:00 like the elder said, and prove that there is a time difference, but whose clock was tampered and why? And how does it connects to everything? I haven't figured it out so far...

Yes and no. You can hear up to three, maybe four chimes and know how many there are without paying attention. You can't do it with twelve - you'd have to either look or pause and count.

[Saturn Beaver]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yes and no. You can hear up to three, maybe four chimes and know how many there are without paying attention. You can't do it with twelve - you'd have to either look or pause and count.

Well, I think I heard it three times, but I see your point. But my point isn't exactly about the number of chimes. Even though it's already dark, I don't suppose the clock will be turned too be an exact hours late or early. That is, when V asked, "how do you know it's EXACTLY 00:00?" the much simpler and conclusive answer is to mention the chime, if it was really there rather than just looking at your own watch. Also, I think for something that happened years ago, sound of chimes seems to be easier to recall than seeing your own watch.

I don't know if the elder is deliberately lying (he does look pretty suspicious, and he got motive as killing Theodore allows him to be the next elder) or that he's simply mistaken and doesn't realize the lack of chimes, as the dead body must have caused him enough distress already. Therefore, I suspect that the clock must be tampered by less than a hour difference, but I don't know why.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by taichi-kun

Maybe the last novel ( volume 6) has the answer about their future....

They have 15 years to stay together until WW2...

Well, 15 years is long enough for Kujo or Victorique to make baby.

On serious note, I would prefer a good end for Kujo and Victorique. I wonder what would be Kujo's family reaction if he bring Victorique back to his homeland.

[KiNA]

How can 1 so cute sound so bad when they sing?

*remembers Zange*

Oh.

[mechalord]

Second Sino-Japanese war isn't until 1937
WW2 doesn't start until 1939
France isn't invaded until 1940
Pearl Harbor isn't until Dec 1941
Nukes aren't dropped on Japan until 1945.

That's at least 13 years before anything major break out. Kujo and Victorica seem like the type to get married right after they finish school... turn 18. They are 15-16. Out in 1-2 years. May go to University for a few years. Kujo seems like the type to go to University in Europe since he has a reason to stay. I don't see him pursuing a military career, either.

In 1937 they'll be 28-29
In 1941 they'll be 32-ish
In 1945 (by wars end) 36-ish.


The old mans prediction doesn't mean much. They won't die together... maybe ones dies at 82 and the other at 83. Maybe Kujo pushes her out of the way of a speeding car when they're old and he dies.


At the onset of war, he will be somewhat old. And I don't see him pursuing a military career. It seems like he'll get over whatever his family burden is, before he graduates... as will Victorica. He's the youngest son. There won't be any major wars which will drive him into immediately enlist or join the army until he's almost 30.

Maybe they move to the USA and he gets placed in an internment camp?

[KiNA]

I'm never the guy with many words .. so freebie since my lurking coat broken anyway..

[FlareKnight]

One thing that's too bad is that those three guys have been pretty glossed over. Hard to see them more as three odd guys. 2 are down within an episode of being introduced. Last guy is going to need some durability to make it much further .

The prediction certainly doesn't mean that much. Long as the series remains close to reality there won't be much to get in the way of Victorique and Kujo for at least a decade. If nothing changed there might be a pull back due to being from a military background, but plenty of time for him to decide what direction he wants to go.

Impressed this time that Victorique is holding back based on not having enough hard evidence. While her theory is probably right will certainly need more than that to convince that village that they messed up.

[DezoPenguin]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

If they're to get married at all, though, won't it be long before WW2 hits? They'll be thirty by then.

Quite probably...but the question is, what country would they be living in, and would one or the other of them be imprisoned by the government therof (for example, let's say they settled in America. Welcome to an internment camp, Kazuya.)? There are far too many potential Bad Ends there.

(And in response to klare's question, we automatically believe the old man because obscure prophecies made with no reason to believe them and no central relationship to the plot are always true in fiction; they just are. If a prophecy proves to be false, it's always a prophecy that's central to the plot, where it either proves to be a deliberate attempt to mislead the characters by the villain, or instead the characters choose to Screw Destiny and Defy Fate and all that stuff. But some mumbled doggerel by some random fortune-teller they pass in Episode 7? Always dead-on accurate, regardless if the supernatural is generally "real" in the series or not.)

[Kaoru Chujo]

1. The sound of the clock would tell you that it was exactly some hour. You would have a pretty good idea approximately which hour from how long ago the sun set. The various estimates of the time of the murder would probably only be out by minutes, not hours.

2. Yuuki Aoi is no Chihara Minori, but she can sing better than Victorica. For example.

3. Great Ao-chan sig by KiNA.

4. I'd like them to get married, but both families might oppose it, especially in those days. And at this point they are pretty young, just starting high school.

5. One possibility: they get married, have a little blonde wolf-kid, and in 1939, when it is ten, Kujou is back visiting Japan when war in Europe begins and he is cut off from Victorica and the child. It is also perfectly possible that Kujou ends up as a military officer much earlier than that, simply because of his family. Victorica's life in Japan would be interesting.

[DragoZERO]

They should move to Canada and start a family. Anywhere else and it's just bad news.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

They should move to Canada and start a family. Anywhere else and it's just bad news.

Actually wasn't exactly fun times for the Japanese in Canada either. Might be best for them to stay in that country. Since it's made up they can just write up that place as being really tolerant of Japanese citizens .

[Anh_Minh]

That country isn't kind to Victorica, though. Heck, they aren't nice to Kujou either, come to that.

Maybe they can try Brazil?

[Kaoru Chujo]

I've just finished rewatching the first seven eps of this, and the "rewatch value" is quite high, for me. Highly entertaining, especially when you already know the answers and aren't demanding mystery. The animation and the storytelling both work for me. And Yuuki Aoi alone is worth the price of admission. So many nice inspirations, such as the way she paused slightly when she said: "Atashi no...haha da." ("She is my...mother.")

[BBOvenGuy]

Originally Posted by mechalord

Second Sino-Japanese war isn't until 1937
WW2 doesn't start until 1939
France isn't invaded until 1940
Pearl Harbor isn't until Dec 1941
Nukes aren't dropped on Japan until 1945.

That's at least 13 years before anything major break out.

The Japanese started meddling in China as early as 1931, and set up the puppet state of Manchukuo in 1932. I don't know whether that would affect Kujo or not.

[mechalord]

Japanese war with China didn't get "real" until 1937. For Kujo to be forced into a military career would require for both his brothers to die before he gets too old. He seems to have a lot of freedom... his father let him study abroad. It seems like he's not expected to be a soldier. If he does return to Japan, I see him working as a civilian during the war... maybe as an Engineer or intelligence officer due to his knowledge of the West. Do you really see his character getting embroiled in the war as a spy or industrialist while having children with a western woman? It's more likely he tries to escape the war with his girl and his possible children since he would be stuck in the middle. If he settles in Japan, his wife would probably find some things distasteful during the war. If he stays in the Europe or America he faces imprisonment due to his fathers' position. If he works for the allies, he'll be seen as a traitor to his country and would be giving the allies intel that could kill his family.

Kujo seems to already have made friends with an English aristocrat. She may play a role later on in the story. It seems like they'll both make friends that may help them out later in their lives.

Where could they live during the war? Canada or South America. Anywhere else gets kind of hairy.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by mechalord

...Where could they live during the war? Canada or South America. Anywhere else gets kind of hairy.

As someone mentioned before, Japanese nationals in Canada (and Canadian citizens of Japanese ancestry) had their property confiscated and were put in prison camps during WW2. Just as in the US.

I think Kujou and Vickie would make out better in Germany or Italy during the war, depending where they were in relation to invasions in 1944. Situated between Italy and Vichy France, Saubure would probably end up being on the Axis side. Maybe Argentina would work out.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

As someone mentioned before, Japanese nationals in Canada (and Canadian citizens of Japanese ancestry) had their property confiscated and were put in prison camps during WW2. Just as in the US. I think they would make out better in Germany or Italy during the war, depending where they were in relation to invasions in 1944. Situated between Italy and Vichy France, Saubure would probably end up being on the Axis side. Maybe Argentina would work out.

Yeah, much as I'd like to prop up Canada we didn't exactly handle that situation well at all. After Pearl Harbor you got internment camps and I don't Kujo would enjoy that situation. Though sadly when you think about it there aren't a ton of great places for them to be during this. Germany got bombed pretty well so I might not recommend that. Italy might not be bad. Nowhere is perfect, but if they stay in the right places....

[Forsaken_Infinity]

Lol are you guys seriously discussing where they should run to when WW2 comes around?

If they do get romantically involved (and I would prefer they remain just friends. Yep.), they should just stay in the gray wolf village, easy. I am 100 % sure they are going to solve the mystery, although it might be so that the villagers never are convinced. Victorique is clearly doing it more to prove it to herself and in her mother's name for the symbolic purpose than anything else. In that case, well, some random village up in the mountains or going to South Asia / South America might be the best option. While India was occupied by the British, the occupation was a joke by then and there was no way they could ever search through the vast lands of India, especially up North into the rural sides, anyway. Also, something like Nepal / Tibet with the Buddhist monasteries up in the Himalayas sounds perfect for their purposes o.0. Canada/US are fine till pearl harbor btw.

[Sparvid]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

they get married, have a little blonde wolf-kid,

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

They should move to Canada and start a family.

Their kid:


But yeah, that's many years away. I doubt that anything specific about their future will be shown. Their present is interesting enough.