2013-08-06, 16:15 | Link #1 |
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Speculation: what happens when robots obsolete us?
The discussion has cropped up in the news thread...
Let's say in a future more or less near, robots and computers become smart enough to do all the jobs that don't require genius about as well as we do or better, without complaint and, obviously, without salary. Including the jobs of robot manufacture and maintenance... What then? When society can rely on robots to maintain itself, if not to progress? If we can afford to have 0 human laborer, when everyone can have food and shelter for nothing? Assuming the robot owners don't decide to let everyone else starve just to feel superior, I think one of the consequences is that we won't have to put up with each other. Look at Notalwaysright.com . If you decided to be a cashier as a hobby, rather than because you've got bills to pay, would you put up with assholes? Heck, if you were an entitled assholes, wouldn't you stay home and send a robot out to bring you your groceries? So what would it mean for group projects? I mean, I'm sure there'd still be plenty of people willing to do things, because it's better than dying of boredom. Some of them would even be what we'd call productive. But would we reduced to endeavors that can be done with one person and a bunch of robots, or would we still have groups of people working out their differences for the sake of the job? |
2013-08-06, 20:40 | Link #4 | |
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How robots transformed American factory jobs, in one company
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2013-08-06, 22:06 | Link #5 | |
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Personally I can't wait for robot sports. If they won't let me have super roid sports then I demand extreme robot sports. |
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2013-08-06, 23:04 | Link #6 | |
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On the upper end you have the colonies where Robots do all the work and even the poorest of the poor has certain standard of living with Robots waiting on them. On the Downside with Earth during the transition. You have a large population on the dole receiving just enough to live on. the future is bright but during the transition the people who doesn't have the right skills or make the adaption are going to be big losers.
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2013-08-07, 01:56 | Link #9 | |
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Maybe high danger jobs will be taken over, along with job that require little thinking or judgement and job that require high precision. Other than that, I don't think so... |
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2013-08-07, 06:15 | Link #11 |
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I don't know about everyone else but if I do have too much free time on my hand, I would start thinking of many weird stuffs.
So in that world, I imagine everyone will become either obese or too skinny with nothing to do. And then human will degrade mentally which might lead to morale collapse. Number of crimes and strange fetishes might surge.
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2013-08-07, 13:42 | Link #13 | |
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For example, in sports/concerts/plays, we can have the robots setup the place and maintain the equipment, building, security, and do all the service when the spectators/audience come to watch, but still have the humans play/perform. I don't see any reason to think that the physical world would lose any value, as some have suggested above. |
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2013-08-07, 14:33 | Link #14 | |
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Right now if industries are willing to spend several thousand dollars on machines is because they still cost a lot less than the necessary human blue collars to do the same job. Moreover what Ahn Mihn is speculating is a future where even the role of machine caretaker can be performed by a machine. Tinyredleaf's post in the end to me only reinforce the notion that a machine would be able to do the job better than a human given as how it's all about math and the ability to understand complicated mechanical structures with absolute precision. When human like artificial intelligence will be achieved, even to a lesser degree, this scenario will likely happen. a single human being will be put in charge to supervise hundreds of intelligent robots machine caretakers which in turn will supervise, fix and maintain millions of machines. In my opinion in the end the world will be divided between a high majority of non working citizens which will just reap the fruits of automated production and a high class of few selected individuals who will perform the few remaining jobs that machines cannot do. Those will probably have a lot more money and power than everyone else. So in a few words: NEET is the future.
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2013-08-07, 14:54 | Link #16 | |
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Except the fourth world countries, those would be "safe". I guess it would be a good idea to create special commissions to preserve the ancient knowledge. People should still keep and cultivate the knowledge to survive without machines and computers. This probably won't be a problem because there's a lot of persons that willingly do so without any input from above. Survivalists, boy scouts, botanic enthusiast and so on. When people won't have any jobs, the number of hobbyist is bound to multiply exponentially.
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If we all reap the fruits of the robots' labor... They won't need money. Or at least, not more money than is provided by the dole we'll all receive.
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Think about our great achievements. Or even about everyday things today. You can get dozens, or thousands of people working together on something, adding their strengths to each other to make what one individual cannot, no matter how good his tools. And even if they don't get along all that well, even if they must face unpleasant situations, they endure. A lot of the time, because they don't want to lose their jobs. So what if we remove that fear? What if "losing your job" just means you have more "you" time, rather than "worry you'll become a hobo" time? Will we still be able to work together? Quote:
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2013-08-07, 15:44 | Link #20 | |
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This does not appear to make sense. You're going to 3D print money? And expect money to still have value?
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Still not understanding how having robots somehow equates to no job but still having money. If you're replaced, you're replaced. It's not like your robot would be needed; management could just buy their own robot to do the same (or probably better, as they could invest more money into it and get a better robot). |
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