(L) Girls & Panzer: The Final Chapter Movie

[Infinite Zenith]

That certainly was a thrilling second act, there's a lot to consider (more than I can fit into a forum post, and thankfully, far more than talk of Momo's family!), but for me, the highlight was the fact that the match with Chi-Ha Tan felt more or less like Battlefield V's Solomon Islands and the strats they employed to keep things fresh.

There's also a subtle callback to the original series: when Ogin's pirate flag gets destroyed in crossfire, the history buffs recall a time when they'd decked out their StuG III with flags and that proved detrimental by increasing their visibility.

It's great to see that Das Finale has lost none of its potency, but the waits are killer, and if trends hold, we'll probably be returning in 2022 to talk about the post-game with Chi-Ha Tan and then speculate on the outcome of the match with Ooarai's next opponent.

[Marina2]

Eclair, a commander of Maginot team from one of side-story manga* had a cameo in this Das Finale Part Two. She was a girl who commented how cavalry tactic didn't work with Kuromorimine. She also came to watch Oarai match with Chi-ha tan.

*This is my favorite side story/spin-off manga because there is a really good scene where Rabbit team get to show their skill.

[Infinite Zenith]

Speaking of which, the OVA that comes with Das Finale's second part is well worth checking out, living up to its name in dealing with taiyaki, but also featuring something that many will find enjoyable, too

[Ithekro]

Well now the other schools are not going to underestimate Miho and her team. They did too much to underestimate now.

[Toukairin]

One thing that I was wondering is how and why we don't seem to see re-appearing schools upgrade their own tanks if resources are available. So far, we have seen Ooarai tanks receiving upgrades as time moves on.

Speaking of Battlefield V references, I would have loved to see Kinuyo Nishi's tank being upgraded with with stuff like a reinforced turret and/or a 75mm Type 5 main gun (which was at a prototypical stage by 1945). My BF5 Type 97 tank, which looks somewhat like this after all upgrades are on, is a real beast.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

One thing that I was wondering is how and why we don't seem to see re-appearing schools upgrade their own tanks if resources are available. So far, we have seen Ooarai tanks receiving upgrades as time moves on.

Maybe the champion school, whose student council is stuffed with Senshadou club members, has the budget for upgrades, while other schools do not. (Unless they're powerhouses and already have their "perfect lineup" with no need for upgrades.)

[Infinite Zenith]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

One thing that I was wondering is how and why we don't seem to see re-appearing schools upgrade their own tanks if resources are available. So far, we have seen Ooarai tanks receiving upgrades as time moves on.

Speaking of Battlefield V references, I would have loved to see Kinuyo Nishi's tank being upgraded with with stuff like a reinforced turret and/or a 75mm Type 5 main gun (which was at a prototypical stage by 1945). My BF5 Type 97 tank, which looks somewhat like this after all upgrades are on, is a real beast.

In a jungle environment, the Type 3 main gun could be a liability if tree density is sufficient to impede the tank's ability to rotate. Having the smaller guns here would be to Chi-Ha Tan's advantage in that sense, so I figure it's more about environment rather than budget.

On Battlefield V, I'd forgotten we had players here, but I'll be happy to take you to school any day of the week and twice on Sundays. In fact, to make the fight fair for your skill level, I'll gladly run a level 1 LVT with all specialisations removed against your maxed out Type 97

[gral]

Originally Posted by Infinite Zenith

In a jungle environment, the Type 5's main gun could be a liability if tree density is sufficient to impede the tank's ability to rotate. Having the smaller guns here would be to Chi-Ha Tan's advantage in that sense, so I figure it's more about environment rather than budget.

Remember that, unlike the Maus, the Type 5 never got beyond project stage, so it wouldn't be elegible for use. Also, I'd say that a school who hasn't gone beyond first round in a while probably wouldn't have a good budget.

[Infinite Zenith]

That's a typo on my part, a consequence of me not reading more closely before replying! The Type 3 Chu does not use a Type 5 75 mm cannon, it uses the Type 3 75 mm cannon, and this is the tank that Anteater team uses. Unless there's more documentation about how budget allocation works, we'll have only speculation to go off of.

[gral]

Originally Posted by Infinite Zenith

That's a typo on my part, a consequence of me not reading more closely before replying! The Type 3 Chu does not use a Type 5 75 mm cannon, it uses the Type 3 75 mm cannon, and this is the tank that Anteater team uses. Unless there's more documentation about how budget allocation works, we'll have only speculation to go off of.

I also misunderstood you; I thought you were talking about the Type 5 tank(of World of Tanks fame)

[Ithekro]

Having finally sat down to watch the two Das Finale episodes, I liked it. The tactics were more believable that der Film.

Looking at the brackets, I am going to guess that the Semi-Finals will be Oorarai vs Jatkosota and St. Glorianna vs Black Forest Peak. Seeing what the Finns bring to the match will be interesting, since we've only seen one tank from that school. (I don't expect a rematch with Saunders)

For the finals though. Erika or Darjeeling? (I will assume Erika can defeat Pravda with ten tanks, and that Darjeeling will handle Anzio easily.) Will Erika get her rematch with Miho, or will Darjeeling finally get that official match against Miho she wanted since their first exhibition match? I would think Darjeeling's experience might top Erika, so we might get to see what Darjeeling will field once she is allowed to have 20 tanks. It will be that, or a return of the Maus. Or would Darjeeling fight fair, and only bring nine or ten tanks ("all is fair in love and war." 20 tanks it is than)

I also wonder if Oorarai will find one more tank before the finals? Ten tanks against 20 is still not good, but it would cover the possible half episode they might need instead of two and a half episodes of the finals (basically the second half of episode four). Though they might fill that with more of Jatkosota's team, since we don't know them much at all outside Mika's tank.

[Marina2]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Looking at the brackets, I am going to guess that the Semi-Finals will be Oorarai vs Jatkosota and St. Glorianna vs Black Forest Peak. Seeing what the Finns bring to the match will be interesting, since we've only seen one tank from that school. (I don't expect a rematch with Saunders)

Ooarai vs St. Gloriana will be a perfect final match. St. Gloriana is the only big school that hasn't been defeated by Ooarai. (Technically, Ooarai has lost to St. Gloriana 2 times.)

[Ithekro]

Tank question. Does the Mark IV's 6 pounders have adequate AP shells? Also despite its size, its armor is very thin, isn't it?

[Infinite Zenith]

As far as I can tell, the QF-6 was only ever mounted to an experimental Matilda A27 turret fired AP rounds that have a penetration of 133 mm out to 100 metres, trailing out to 89 mm at 1 kilometre. This is more than enough to deal with Miho's Panzer IV, which had a maximum armour thickness of 80 mm. However, this Matilda would have retained the 78 mm of armour at maximum, and so, they'd be relatively simple to neutralise.

In general, since most Matildas are armed with a QF-2 (49 mm of armour penetration at 100m assuming a 60-degree impact angle), it would be ill-equipped to deal with the medium and heavy tanks in Ooarai's arsenal in a direct confrontation, although they'd be enough for facing off against the light tanks.

Overall, I'm not sure how exciting a rematch against St. Glorianna is, since they tend to favour patience and order. Against Ooarai, their typical approach is to take a 'wait-and-see', letting Miho get set up and then responding to Miho after she's made the first move. Against these opponents, Miho tends to try and remove the number of enemy tanks firing on friendly armour, and in practise, Miho's only had trouble with Darjeeling's Churchill. I'd say that Darjeeling's only managed to beat Miho on the two instances they were opponents because:

1. On their first fight, Ooarai lost their StuG III earlier in the fight. It could have bested the Churchill with the right positioning.
2. In the fight during the movie, Miho was not able to get a follow-up shot off since one of Pravda's tanks blocked her.

Since the precise ammunition Miho uses isn't specified, the Panzer IV's KwK-40 may or may not have beaten the Churchill up front: the Churchill Mk. VII Darjeeling runs has a maximum of 152 mm of armour, whereas depending on the shell type, the KwK-40 could fire shells that penetrated between 133 and 172 mm of armour: hardware is no longer a concern for Miho, who could beat Darjeeling in a hypothetical situation by keeping enough tanks on the Churchill to keep it busy and then get a good flank off.

[Ithekro]

I'm actually thinking about Oorarai's Mark IV (the World War One era tank) and its 6 pounders, and its usefulness.


As for St. Gorianna:
We still need to see what Darjeeling would field with 20 tanks. I image she'll have a Cromwell/Challenger and/or Comet at the very least, along with Rosehips group of Crusader IIIs, in addition to more Matildas.

Also, since we've been seeing rare tanks from time to time (Maus, Tiger (P), Neubaufahrzeug, and the like), there is the chance Darjeeling might field something weird like a Black Prince, Tortoise, or even a TOG II.

Basically anything that gets a 17 pounder on the field will be a serious problem for Miho's entire force. Even the before seen Centurion Mk I

[Infinite Zenith]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I'm actually thinking about Oorarai's Mark IV (the World War One era tank) and its 6 pounders, and its usefulness.

As for St. Gorianna:
We still need to see what Darjeeling would field with 20 tanks. I image she'll have a Cromwell/Challenger and/or Comet at the very least, along with Rosehips group of Crusader IIIs, in addition to more Matildas.

Also, since we've been seeing rare tanks from time to time (Maus, Tiger (P), Neubaufahrzeug, and the like), there is the chance Darjeeling might field something weird like a Black Prince, Tortoise, or even a TOG II.

Basically anything that gets a 17 pounder on the field will be a serious problem for Miho's entire force. Even the before seen Centurion Mk I

The Mark IV is so outdated that it'd be little more than a distraction, so I'd anticipate seeing it used as such: even if it could be upgraded to use a gun capable of dealing damage against WWII-era tanks, it was originally a mobile pillbox and has so little armour a WWII-era AT rifle would cut through it.

I don't believe we've seen more of St. Gloriana's arsenal, but it'd be fun to throw some Valentine Archers along with a Churchill (A22D) Mk. I for fun. Of course, I think that Ooarai will need to acquire some new tanks in the process if they want to scale up battles properly (an IS-3 would be nice). If so, there is a limit to how exciting they can make things with a lop-sided combatant count before things grow stale, and personally, I'd like to see Miho manage a bigger team.

[Ithekro]

At most I think Oorarai will get one more tank before the finals. What that will be is anyone' guess. Though they don't have any British nor Soviet tanks of their own yet.

Ten tanks would make any future matches theoretically even outside the Semi-finals and Finals.

If they ever decide to do a series on the following year, they will need to introduce the incoming freshmen, and get replacement crews for the tanks with seniors that graduated. Plus, since they are the champion team, they might have extra funding to get a few new tanks. Potentially replacing some of their current tanks (the Type 89 and Mark IV are seriously outclassed in most matchups)

[Marina2]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Basically anything that gets a 17 pounder on the field will be a serious problem for Miho's entire force. Even the before seen Centurion Mk I

Talking about Centurion.....There is a chance that Alice will join St.Gloraina team and appear in Final match. (Alice said she's still thinking about her HS choice)

That would make thing a lot more difficult for Ooarai.

[Jamibu]

Girls und Panzer das Finale Part 3 15-second PV(coming to Japan theaters: Spring 2021):

YouTube

https://youtu.be/6C_7DeG0ORU

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[Infinite Zenith]

Fantastic, that means 2022-2023 for us