Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[nacer666]

‏‎Romance is not the main theme of this novel.Tatsuya isn't some simple minded protagonist who spends the whole story thinking only about girls.He have greater goals like destroying the yotsuba and anyone who stands in his way,also he wants to end the usage of mages as tools and free them.‎

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Shorya

After reading volume 8 till chapter 11:

''Yandere'' Miyuki's soooo cute≧﹏≦

and the Story through kids POV's really refreshing especially Miyuki's reactions ~T_T~

But what bothers me the most is why her own mother, who so overwhelmingly tries to separate the siblings/ or preventing to ever develop some siblings love BTW them, that rude behavior towards her own son and treating him as a slave and all (now come-on there isn't any Mother who would treat her own "biological son" like trash even if he's good for nothing or even if she's "emotionally broken" *speculation on the basis of short summaries*)
also her so favourable treatment towards Miyuki *well it can be because of her being chosen as candidate for future head position of Yotsuba unlike her incapable Brother BUT sometimes it feels like Miya's treating her as not "her own daughter" but someone's else* (at the least it feels like that to me).

From what has been transalted so far of volume 8 Miya really doesn't seem to treat Miyuki much diffrent then Tatsuya . One disadvantage of volume 8 is that it is only from Miyuki's POV and She isn't too good at reading people at age 12. Take Tatsuya going to the Air Force Base. Miyuki sees it as her mother ordering Tatsuya around, but Tatsuya expresses intrest in the training on base and his normal duties and restictions on keeping the family secrets would likly not allow him to go. Also the situation would not have existed if Sakurai hadn't sugested a women's only event. So what are the true motivations of everyone there? Was Sakurai trying to get Tatsuya free time? Was Miya heartlessly ordering him around or giveing him permission to do something he was intrested in but normaly not able to do under the guise of an order. What about the order to act like siblings? Volume 4 stated "Before that fateful summer three years ago, even if they were living under the same roof, they practically never interacted with one another. Their current proximity was something strictly forbidden by their mother just as she denied any normal sibling interaction. Still, that may have been something decided by the Yotsuba Family. "
Volume 8 chapter 10 gave me chilling thought. What happend to Tatsuya might have been more humae then what happend to the Yotsuba of Maya and Miya's generation.

[Von Himmel]

Originally Posted by kagato3

From what has been transalted so far of volume 8 Miya really doesn't seem to treat Miyuki much diffrent then Tatsuya . One disadvantage of volume 8 is that it is only from Miyuki's POV and She isn't too good at reading people at age 12. Take Tatsuya going to the Air Force Base. Miyuki sees it as her mother ordering Tatsuya around, but Tatsuya expresses intrest in the training on base and his normal duties and restictions on keeping the family secrets would likly not allow him to go. Also the situation would not have existed if Sakurai hadn't sugested a women's only event. So what are the true motivations of everyone there? Was Sakurai trying to get Tatsuya free time? Was Miya heartlessly ordering him around or giveing him permission to do something he was intrested in but normaly not able to do under the guise of an order. What about the order to act like siblings? Volume 4 stated "Before that fateful summer three years ago, even if they were living under the same roof, they practically never interacted with one another. Their current proximity was something strictly forbidden by their mother just as she denied any normal sibling interaction. Still, that may have been something decided by the Yotsuba Family. "
Volume 8 chapter 10 gave me chilling thought. What happend to Tatsuya might have been more humae then what happend to the Yotsuba of Maya and Miya's generation.

Which brings me to believe that the fact his mother love him too much and become yandere, thus making Tatsuya avoids everyone so that she could be hers alone!

humu.

[Shorya]

Originally Posted by kagato3

From what has been transalted so far of volume 8 Miya really doesn't seem to treat Miyuki much diffrent then Tatsuya . One disadvantage of volume 8 is that it is only from Miyuki's POV and She isn't too good at reading people at age 12. Take Tatsuya going to the Air Force Base. Miyuki sees it as her mother ordering Tatsuya around, but Tatsuya expresses intrest in the training on base and his normal duties and restictions on keeping the family secrets would likly not allow him to go. Also the situation would not have existed if Sakurai hadn't sugested a women's only event. So what are the true motivations of everyone there? Was Sakurai trying to get Tatsuya free time? Was Miya heartlessly ordering him around or giveing him permission to do something he was intrested in but normaly not able to do under the guise of an order. What about the order to act like siblings? Volume 4 stated "Before that fateful summer three years ago, even if they were living under the same roof, they practically never interacted with one another. Their current proximity was something strictly forbidden by their mother just as she denied any normal sibling interaction. Still, that may have been something decided by the Yotsuba Family. "
Volume 8 chapter 10 gave me chilling thought. What happend to Tatsuya might have been more humae then what happend to the Yotsuba of Maya and Miya's generation.

You say Miya treats both of them equally??
I don't really find Tatsuya any better than how a servant is treated by her Mistress ( it's more like he's from a family which's serving Yotsuba for generations)
even if the story's being taught through a kid's POV, but even a kid can understand the discrimination when it's this obvious.

I don't really find any hidden motive behind Miya's sending Tatsuya to Kazama; it was more like she don't want him to be idle and just to always be engrossed in something or other.

And it's been told numerous times that Miyuki's memory about their childhood is fuzzy and she can't remember anything proper and whenever she tries to her Mind goes blank due to some "Unknown" reason *and that's what I was pointing out, her strange behavior whenever she tries to sort out her mind about their past and Tatsuya's Guardian duty; why she can't free Tatsuya even if she really wanted him to be; and Yotsuba's absolute trust that Miyuki will never betray them*

*sigh* it always happened; first we're always told how inhuman the "Villain" is, then the Author will reveal a side story about the 'tragic' past and will force us readers to sympathies with him/her.

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Which brings me to believe that the fact his mother love him too much and become yandere, thus making Tatsuya avoids everyone so that she could be hers alone!

humu.

hahahahaha.......!!!! yeah the best possible option; and it could also express why's she's so strict to him because instead of her Tatsuya treats Miyuki more favorably. ╮(╯▽╰)╭

[malason13]

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

Which brings me to believe that the fact his mother love him too much and become yandere, thus making Tatsuya avoids everyone so that she could be hers alone!

humu.

HAAHHAHA!! If that is true. Then if would be extremely funny!!

[sandhy88]

There is a little question at Vampire arc.

"Lina simply thinks to a legend she had heard about a magic which could alter the mental structure, though the Magician had been unmarried and died twenty years ago in the hospital."

Is she Shiba Miya?

Because the event of untouchable, Yotsuba become much more hidden than before and using alias for family name. So faking someone alive to become dead is normal.

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by nacer666

‏‎Romance is not the main theme of this novel.Tatsuya isn't some simple minded protagonist who spends the whole story thinking only about girls.He have greater goals like destroying the yotsuba and anyone who stands in his way, [...]‎

For the love of god, where did you get THAT from? I've seen this weird stuff pop up every once in a while, but it's totally off.

Tatsuya does NOT have plans of vengeance or world domination. It is NOT that he plans the destruction of the Yotsuba as part of his goals (it's rather that he realistically expects that he will clash with them - particularly Maya - in the future), and it's most definitely NOT so that he'd try to destroy "anyone who stands in his way". Those are the wet fantasies of those reader-fans who masturbate to Tatsuya's seeming omnipotence.

What seems so easily forgotten: Tatsuya is still lacking the emotional requirements for such kind of vindictive (or if you prefer to keep it more neutral: ambitious) plans. He doesn't hate the Yotsuba, because he cannot _feel_ hate. He doesn't desire power because he cannot _feel_ desire. What he has is intellect, and intellectually he grasps that he needs to prepare for a clash with Yotsuba. He intellectually decided that he wants to develop the reactor for the greater good of the people and especially magicians. But he's not the kind of repressed-ambitious "just you see and don't dare oppose me" kind of avenger that some folks want to picture him.

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by pampz21

and about Honoka its gonna be a pleasure if she dies becuz its gonna add to Tatsuya's emotion,cuz its gonna be his first friend dying!!!

what ..... pleasure you say ?

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

That's highly unlikely considering that she fears him if anything and she has no emotions anywhere close to love towards Tatsuya.

yeah, later she don't see him in a romantic way.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by henzaeroz

yeah, later she don't see him in a romantic way.

That is an uncredited claim i must say.

[mumalkatar]

correct me if i'm wrong,

Tatsuya from birth can only capable of 'erasing and restoring' eidos, which in the eye of Yotsubas is not enough to be called as a magician, since magician is someone who can change/modifying the information in the eidos.

So, his mother (miya) and his aunt (maya) performed an operation on him, to insert a 'calculation processor' inside his brain. The operation failed, resulting only in a small capability of calculation and the loss of almost all Tatsuya's emotions (except you know what).

am i right? since I think this is the reason why Tatsuya is capable using such divine and demonic magic (from his talent alone), and yet his invocation speed is still suck for common magic (because the processor in his brain is well, not great).

[bludvein]

Originally Posted by mumalkatar

correct me if i'm wrong,

Tatsuya from birth can only capable of 'erasing and restoring' eidos, which in the eye of Yotsubas is not enough to be called as a magician, since magician is someone who can change/modifying the information in the eidos.

So, his mother (miya) and his aunt (maya) performed an operation on him, to insert a 'calculation processor' inside his brain. The operation failed, resulting only in a small capability of calculation and the loss of almost all Tatsuya's emotions (except you know what).

am i right? since I think this is the reason why Tatsuya is capable using such divine and demonic magic (from his talent alone), and yet his invocation speed is still suck for common magic (because the processor in his brain is well, not great).

Pretty much. Although the operation wasn't a complete fail. It just didn't live up to expectations.

[nacer666]

I have a feeling that failure will somehow get fixed in the future and tatsuya will get even more powerful.

[bludvein]

Originally Posted by nacer666

I have a feeling that failure will somehow get fixed in the future and tatsuya will get even more powerful.

I hope not...He is already too overpowered. If you take away his only weakness(and a minor one at that) what's left? Actually, its not even a real weakness....

[sandhy88]

Originally Posted by nacer666

I have a feeling that failure will somehow get fixed in the future and tatsuya will get even more powerful.

Are you mean that Tatsuya will upgrade the processor to Intel i7?

After reading all summary, I assume that outside from Tatsuya's circle (Miki, Mizuki, Leo, Erika, Honoka, Shizuku, and Miyuki), everyone has their own agenda. Like we see that Fujibayashi is a nice onee-san but for helping her grandfather, she will not hesitant to decieve Tatsuya.

[mumalkatar]

Originally Posted by nacer666

I have a feeling that failure will somehow get fixed in the future and tatsuya will get even more powerful.

well it might be. but i prefer him as he is now. even if it's somehow fixed, i hope he is still emotionless, since it's part of his charm as an mc.

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by pampz21

well yeah, what did the 9 school and the 101 battalion lost?
Barely nothing and what did GEA lost mostly all their army

and about Honoka its gonna be a pleasure if she dies becuz its gonna add to Tatsuya's emotion,cuz its gonna be his first friend dying!!!

Spoiler for Erika:

About Tatsuya harem, I still think Erika will be his life time partner (Im an ErikaxTatsuya fan after all) even tho everyone says that Leo is his counterpart, I still think that Tatsuya and Erika is the same but the opposite. They both suffered prejudice on their own family, but only Tatsuya experiencing is worse than Erika. I think the reason Tatsuya is extreamly nice and always the guy that cheer up Erika is that in heart probably Tatsuya wanted to become just like Erika but due to the experiment he lost all his emotion. Probably Miyuki will accept Erika as Tatsuya partner becuz their best of friends and that Miyuki knows that Erika wont use Tatsuya like everyone she knows, bcuz in later volume Erika already knows their secret magic, and their family but didnt chnge they way she look at the siblings.......She was still able to laugh it off (thats Erika for you)

Thats just me loosing to my fantasy world!

I completely agree with you!!!!


Erika is the REAL THREAT to all other shipping groups!!!


Actually, TatsuyaXErika pairing is THE ONE I'm currently giving my full support!!


I was about to write the explanation for the possibility of this pairing, which I believe to be the highest one at this moment, later. But since pampz21 has started this, I will do it now (in brief...... I hope).

Spoiler for It will be long.:

There are lots of evidents for this pair to get together at the end of the novel.

I did say that my shipping is based on logic and the plot did I?


First, for those who are thinking "isn't Leo her lover?" , I will start by clearing this misunderstanding.

Before that, let's look at Erika's character.

Erika is a lonely person. Look at her family(both Chiba and Rosen don't like her because of how she born), and her time during the middle school( you can read it in the first volume which show that she don't have a "friend").

She wants to have a friend. But not just a simple friend like those people during her middle school, she want someone she can trust and rely on, someone who also know to keep some distance. Because Erika is a beautiful magician from the famous Chiba family, which has been mentioned to have their influence equal to the ten master clans, she must be wary about those who might try to use her. She also has some problems with her family so she's probably uncomfortable when someone get too close to her or pity her (Look in V.3 during the party). Despite that, she does want to have someone who can come to her side and help her (some kinda like true friends). Remember the time in V.4 when she help Mikihiko return to his former self? Why do you think she made that lonely smile?
Isn't it because she also want someone to help her about her family problem like how she help Miki? (Miki's lost of confident in his magic made him has some problems with his family.)


Before this getting any longer, I will continue to the next step.

First we know that Erika wants a friend who she can trust. Second, she will protect and take care of those hard-earning friends. I hope this can explain why she stay at the hospital to guard Leo who was in defenseless state after the vampire attack him. There is (probably) no deeper meaning about this.

If you look closely, you can see that even though people tease her a lot about Leo, but she never get embarrassed. Those teasing only made her frustrated.

On the other hand, you can see that she does have some special treatments toward Tatsuya. She flirted with him often. She deeply respects and admires him(like when she talk to Miyuki after she used Cocytus). She also cares about his feeling(like the time when she saw those scars on his body and kept her mouth shut despite knowing what is the only way to get them........ this may happen because she doesn't want to stick her nose into his problems like how she doesn't want other to stick theirs in to hers). She occasionally show a sign that she might have some feeling for him. (Like when she get sullen when Tatsuya was with Honoka in the summer break, and during the vampire arc when she was talking to Mizuki and said she get embarrassed when Tatsuya came to help her because it looks like he sees her as a woman.......... I found this interesting as it's common for a friend to help each other. If she thinks like that, then it mean she also see him as a guy, not only a friend.)

And Yes!! Like what pampz21 said, she currently is the only "outsider" who knows that Tatsuya is a Yotsuba. What more is Tatsuya trusts her to be a secret keeper about his real identity despite knowing that he must kill everyone who know his secret without permission from the head.


However, the most important point is ............


the future development!!!


Mayumi and Honoka's Fan, you have taken things too lightly!!

What we have read so far is only the first year arc. There are two more years for the characters to develop their relationship.

And bases on the possible plots, Erika is the one with highest possibility to become Tatsuya's lover(if he can recover/regain his emotion in the later arc).



Look at the plot.

After the scorched Halloween, it was mentioned to be the beginning of the new era for magician, the era that magic will become more important than ever.

I can predict that after the SH, every county will try to develop magical technology and weaken Japan magician's community.

From my observation, Tatsuya wants to create a society where magician can live without restriction (for his sister). In order to achieve that, he must prove the benefits that magic has to the society other than in military field. He must change the view of the society toward magician. If he successes, it will mean that he also defeat the Yotsuba (and Ten master clans) since the society has accepted that magic is not just for battle. He will also defeat anti-magic groups(like Blanch) since the society now have a positive view of magic.

From those two paragraphs, these will be possible groups that Tatsuya will get involved with:

1. Ten master clan (if the value of magic change to something unrelated to combat, it will damage their influence since the only thing they do is fighting.)
2. Foreign spy/army (Tat is already targeted by USNA and other counties will not allow Japan to have more advancement in magical technology.)
3. Industries (Battle to become the number one in the field and to develop new technology. the main groups will be the FLT, Rosen and Maximilien.)
4. Anti-magic terrorist/ criminal groups (They will try to attack magicians and steal magical technology for their personal greed. They may also work with other groups mentioned. Actually, they already work with the USNA and the Saegusa in the Double Seven.)
5. the Magic University (Since there will be new development, the university may get involved with Tatsuya. the nine schools are included within this group.)
6. the JSDF Army (Tatsuya still have to work with them since the 1st, 2nd and 4th groups may cause some problems.)
7. the Chiba.... basically the police (they have a duty to protect the society(from chaos caused by other group) just like the JSDF army. But because they have some "relationship" with the Rosen family and their daughter has secretly befriended with a member of Yotsuba family, their role will be much more significant that I choose to separate them from the army. They also represent the hundred families which Isori, Kanon, and Mikihiko are belonged to.)


Now you see that with all the thing that may happen in the future, Erika will have chances to get involved more that any other girl (set aside Miyuki who's basically glued with Tatsuya). Therefore, she will have more opportunities to develop relationship with him (and his emotions are starting to return).

This is why I said TatsuyaXErika is most possible ending right now.

There are simply too much plots about Erika. Most of them also involve Tatsuya. Even in the current Double Seven Arc, there are at least three ways for Tatsuya and Erika to become closer.

The first one is the problem about Rosen family which Tatsuya, as Taurus Silver and as Erika's friend, may have to do something. In addition, if Tatsuya really wants Erika's help about keeping the Yotsuba's secret like what he said in the vampire arc, he will have to help her as well. (I still remember I said Erika wants someone to help her. This arc may bring HUGE development to their relationship........ But actually I hope the Rosen thing will be solved in the later arc because this might be too early for revealing the end girl. From my experience, the real end girl will be chosen near the final arc of the story........ Those who get together too soon will have to face a tragedy.)

The second is the police (and may be the JSDF). Since there will be a terrorists' attack, the police(Chiba family) will have to do their work. Erika's brothers will surely appear like they do in the vampire arc. Toshikazu is really funny. I hope there will be a scene between him and Fujibayashi. Since Tatsuya will be the attackers' main target, Tatsuya and the Chiba may become a lot closer. (I just remember that I have to mention this)

The third (may or may not be the last) one is the conflict within Ten Master clan. Since Erika knows Tatsuya is a member of Yotsuba and she's protecting his secret, Tatsuya may require her (family's) help in this matter. This will make him trust her more and make Erika closer to the Yotsuba. In the future if Maya knows about Erika and thinks she should be silenced, Tatsuya will have to protect her since he's the one who allow her to learn this secret and she helped him before. However, I think it will be more beneficial if the Yotsuba can get a connection with the Chiba or it may be dangerous and pointless to fight them. Therefore, I don't think Maya will do any think since Erika's helping him which also help the Yotsuba.

THIS IS F***ING LONGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!



P.S. Even though I try to make it short, it's still long.
P.S.2 I don't know now if there is a grammatical mistake. It's just too long!!

Spoiler for P.S.3 About the Yotsuba.:

I don't know why people say Tatsuya should destroy them.

I personally think that Tatsuya would be a fool if he really does that.

The Yotsuba is one of the most influential group in the story. Everyone fear them, even other nations are no exception.

Just like what Erika said, "you have to use your family power, it will be a waste if you don't", there are lots of benefits for Tatsuya to use from the Yotsuba. Beside, the Yotsuba's members who think badly of him are going to get old and die anyway. His generation are the people who will lead their clan in the future. His sister is going to be the new head of the family. The Koroba twin also respect him. When Maya's time is overred, he will become the real leader of this family.

There is no point destroying them since he can get more if he waited.

P.S.4 When I look closely, it isn't really that long.

Spoiler for P.S. 5:

You know, I would love it if Tatsuya is Maya's son. Tatsuya does look like a rebellious child of hers.


.......May be he's really her son from THAT incident. However, due to his innate magic, his body aged slowly until eleven years ago when SOMETHING happen and Tatsuya lost his memory. At the same time, his mother(Maya) and aunt(Miya) do some experimental with him and put him in the guardian program. As a result, other Yotsuba member hate him since he is the evident of that incident and due to the operation Tatsuya become a sis-con for his unreal sister.

However, I personally don't think Tatsuya can love Miyuki as a woman anyway even if she is actually his cousin. He already thinks of her as a sister, and no more. Therefore, it will be difficult now to start seeing her in a new way. It will also look weird in the readers' eyes if they suddenly changed from sibling to cousin in order to have "relationship" without being immoral.

Beside, Miyuki will lose her charm as a cute sister!!!

So I don't think this will do.

.........well, if they become cousin but didn't date each other, I think I will be fine.

P.S.6 I forgot to mention that Miyuki also like Erika to some extent. I really love the moment in V.7 when Erika compliment Miyuki's Cocytus and Miyuki return it with her smile. In V.3, Miyuki also think that Erika have some feeling for her brother. So I think she's okay with Erika.

[henzaeroz]

Originally Posted by CatRules

Spoiler for P.S.3 About the Yotsuba.:

Just like what Erika said, "you have to use your family power, it will be a waste if you don't",

huuuhh ?

can you tell me when erika says that ?

[Von Himmel]

^
The school competition arc.

[Libros]

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

^
The school competition arc.

Really, which volume precisely(if you know)?

[Von Himmel]

Just read it. You'll probably find it pretty quick...

but oh well, it's the chapter where Tatsuya and the other just arrived at the competition.