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"Episode 5 of the 1999 version generally adapted certain scenes exactly the same as how they look in the manga. It's also the first episode in the original series in which we get some pretty good animation; the scenes of Gon and Kurapika running through the trees is great. As such, the 2011 version largely changed the blocking for some scenes. The biggest difference was found in character expressions, which tend to match the manga's in the 2011 version but are different in the 1999 one" Just pay more attention to the things I say next time. Also, the 1999 anime doesn't mention Mito being Ging's cousin. Mito mentions in the first episode that she's Gon's mother's sister--which is why it doesn't make a lick of sense how she knows Ging from childhood. |
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I'm strictly talking fashion design. In the real world, the colors the first woman is wearing clearly clash. There's no way anyone could get away with wearing that. The new colors are more conservative, but simultaneously more stylish. It doesn't look like she just rolled out of bed and put whatever on--she clearly chose clothing that would go well together. Of course, there's a way to clash colors and still have it look good--but this isn't it. Can you explain how? The Madhouse design of Gon is extremely consistent with the way that he's drawn throughout the chapter. There's no solid eyeline beneath his pupil like in the Nippon Animation design, his hair is the correct length, his neck has the right thickness, his eyebrows are closer, and so is his hairline. These are all problems associated with the picture I posted from the 1999 anime--and keep in mind, that's a still frame. The only thing moving in that scene is Gon's mouth. Quote:
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Go to about 7 minutes into episode 47. When Mito is talking about the first time she saw Ging again, she says "Ging left just like that. When he finally came back, ten years had passed. The photo in our shop was taken then. That's also when he married my sister." In the manga, Mito's grandmother (not mother, like in the anime) says: "Ging is my eldest son's only child. Mito is my second son's only daughter. Her parents died in an accident." That's why the flashback between Ging and Mito doesn't make sense in the first anime: why are Mito and Ging hanging out in the first place? And in the first anime, Ging and Mito's older sister marry when he comes back--but in the manga, Ging returns after ten years (at 22) with Gon already in his arms. Also, take into account that Gon's mother is dead in the first anime. Ging just says that they separated in the manga, leaving her status wide open. |
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Go to around 3:30. The Madhouse version is at least partially hand-drawn. But at the same time, most episodes of the Nippon Animation version are drawn significantly better than this episode--episode 4 was disappointing because of this fact. Gon's outfit may be the same, but even his dimensions are inconsistent--I think that's a problem. Quote:
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I wholeheartedly agree. I'm not trying to get people to share my opinion, but broaden their own. I love the original series, but the general view I've seen of the 2011 version seems overly antagonistic. In a lot of instances, I've actually liked it better than the original.
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It's not to say that all of the filler is bad in the original series--it varies. I think that many of the things added in the latter half of the Hunter Exam work out well and the Heavens Arena/Yorknew City arcs are near perfection. Other scenes, not so much. But I'll get to those as they come along. I'd contest against the HxH series being cliché though--I think it attempts to break out of shonen tropes and conventions. |
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2011-10-11, 18:12 | Link #268 |
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Personally, I never liked the beginning of the original anime. It takes way too long to get the meat of the story, and the padding it adds doesn't really develop the world or the characters in any meaningful way. In some sense, I feel like it's insulting my intelligence by taking way too long to tell a simple story.
By the time it gets around to the end of the Hunter Exam or York Shin, it has enough to work with so that the things it adds actually feel meaningful, but in the very beginning I can't call it good. I probably wouldn't have kept watching if I hadn't already read the manga. |
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I have wanted to get my friends into this series, but I see it as being extremely hard to get them into it watching the first anime. It takes so long for stuff to finally start happening. The beginning reminds me of like Reborns beginning, feels like its all filler. |
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2011-10-11, 18:39 | Link #270 |
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voice cast for the exam has been announced
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...cast-annoucned Toshio Furukawa as Satotz Daisuke Kishio as Hanzō Toshiharu Sakurai as Tompa Norihisa Mori as Nicole Ichitarō Ai as Beans
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I am one of those who grew tired of needless padding in shounen adaptions if that means taking too long to get to the interesting parts. So, 2011 HxH's pacing is a good thing for me.
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That's why I said what HXH did with the cliches they used, is what makes it enjoyable. Togashi played with all of the cliches he used to the point where you can now say that HXH might as well be a deconstruction of shounen series using those same cliches (not unlike One Piece in that regard). |
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But I disagree that Madhouse has to "go home." This implies that the original should be the minimum standard that has to be met and anything else is worthless. I simply don't agree with this and I find that it is being unfair to the new series. The 2011 version is not trying to remake the original; it's remaking the manga. So for me the question is not, "Is this better than the original?" or "Does it have the subtly mature atmosphere the original series had? (which by the way, the manga did not)", but rather: "Was it able to bring Togashi's work (for all its merits and faults) to life faithfully and effectively?" And so far, with that standard, I'm pretty satisfied. Last edited by chikkychappy; 2011-10-12 at 02:27. |
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When I said "go home" I did not mean that the first adaptation was the standard for this new one to be judged by, because let's face it, that would be too unrealistic not to forget wrong. This is why I've pretty much always referred to the 1999 adaptation as just that an adaptation, I've never once called it original, because an adaptation can never be original. Look back in my posts when have I ever referred to the 1999 adaptation as "original" I always refer to it as an adaptation. So implying that I am calling the first adaptation original is simply ridiculous. So far all I really care about is how enjoyable this is going to be, I'll only start comparing series, after I finish watching this one. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxaYx6n64J4 The scene being drawn by hand and traced over is in the actual anime. It's being digitally colored, but hand drawn. Digital animation isn't magic--it's drawing using a tablet computer. It's almost the exact same thing, only pencils aren't used. There are hand drawn anime that look better than digital and vice versa. Quote:
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And I have no clue what you're talking about when you mention that Leorio never left his patient's side in the 1999 version--he clearly spends half the episode outside of the cabin in order to grab some herbs. Watch it again. Quote:
If a show is saturated with filler moments to begin with, then of course it becomes difficult to tell the difference between canon and filler moments. And regardless of what you say, the characterization is often wrong in many instances and it potentially does change the nature of future arcs. I've never once said that I've disliked the 1999 version, and numerous times I've mentioned that I think it's great. But keep in mind that it can bring in multiple new audiences--including people who loved the manga but thought that the original series was too slow in the beginning (they exist, believe me). The last sentence you wrote--"Right now Madhouse either has to do better than the 1999 adaptation (which will be hard) or go home. Your gonna have to get over this fact because that's the truth."--isn't true at all. That's just you stating your opinion. Japanese audiences aren't going to go out and buy the DVDs from a show that aired a decade ago, and it wasn't really that well-received when airing either. This show has a shot of really propelling Hunter x Hunter into an international success--especially considering that despite all of Togashi's hiatuses, his volumes sell almost as much as Naruto's do. Instead of already demoting the 2011 version to a lesser status, try to look at it from another perspective. Last edited by Toto y Moi; 2011-10-12 at 09:43. |
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But he was still caring for his patient, which is why I said what i said. Maybe I should have been more specific I mean that he didn't follow Kurapica and Gon. Quote:
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I'm not knocking on the new adaptation (even though I'm unsure of the script writer, and the director). When did I ever say that people won't enjoy this new adaptation? I only said that people who have seen the 1999 adaptation will always compare it to the 2011 version, and that you shouldn't be upset about people doing it because it is to be expected. I'm not doing it because I don't care either (if its good its good if its not its not). Quote:
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But it's not a mistake if an entire episode looks bad. It's simply shoddy animation. The drawing I'm talking about is a key animation frame--think of it as an animation bookend. It wouldn't matter if the inbetween animation looked bad, but the frame is clearly off model. It's something that would benefit from having being drawn again, because I don't consider it to be passable. The problem is, the entire episode in question is drawn poorly. Quote:
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When treating anyone who has been critically injured, you don't take a detour and leave the patient behind--especially when there's something out there trying to murder him. Even if Leorio was doing it for the sake of his patient, it was an extreme oversight on Nobuaki Kishima's part (the screenwriter of said episode, whom actually creates a lot of inconsistency in his own scripts) to have Leorio do this. Gon and Kurapika had lost the Kiriko at this point--they were running around, trying to find the beast. What if it had returned to the house where it had began? It was a poorly written scene. Quote:
As for the staff, screenwriting is done by a collective--not just one person. The first episode was written by Atsushi Maekawa, but the second by Fumiko Sakai. We still don't know who is writing the third episode, so I feel that it's too early to be skeptical about the staff. The best writer for the 1999 series didn't start writing scripts until several episodes in. I think you should make your grievances with their writing specific. Point out lines, scenes, or anything else that you disliked about that work. And as far as knocking the 2011 version goes, I thought that you were doing so due to the way you phrased that sentence about 'doing better or [going] home"--it sounded like you were implying that the 1999 version was the standard. But I feel that I should mention that I also didn't say anything regarding you stating "people won't enjoy this new adaptation"--I hope that it wasn't implied. I think that occasionally, we might both be jumping to conclusions with respect to the other's opinion. It might help if we make ourselves clearer through our writing next time. I'd hate to continue on this back-and-forth any longer though--it's taking away from the thread and is unnecessary. |
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2011-10-13, 11:46 | Link #279 |
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How''s the pacing of this one compared to the original? SInce i haven't seen the original i was going to watch it side by side with this, but i don't want to get ahead of the current one and get spoiled about what would happen.
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